Sex Workers and Rape

[RandB fan]

I agree w/ that but didn't they understand what they were doing when they got into this highly rewarding profession? Done right and 5 years later you are set for life, you may not be carrying a brass ring but you could live well, never see snow unless you want to.

If you fail to do your job then you will normally find someone one who will find a way to "end run" you in business. lets say you spent months developing a 5MIL deal and because you didn't do you job you lost the contract over 100K are you justified in calling foul?. Same here as these girls have had an end run done to them mainly because they didn't do their jobs, their $250 up an hour jobs. If you do not spend the time, money and effort every time than you are going to get violated in most aspects of life. It's not right but when you chose this as a profession you should have accepted what bad days were going to look like when you fail to do your job. Believe me, I know better than almost anyone other than maybe Makeup, I meant Wakeup!

Originally Posted by Blue_eyed_shy_guy

RandB, does consent in general equal consent to any specifics? One example that comes to mind is a recent alert about forced BBFS upon a provider in a fantasy roleplay situation. In that case, the violation of her lack of consent to BBFS is rape, even if he paid and she agreed to have sex with him in general.

Does an open discussion of rape in HobbyWorld help or hurt matters? If it helps to assure a victim that she's not alone, that it's not her fault, that she wasn't " asking for it"..maybe it'll help. If it leads to some way that a client and provider can communicate boundaries of consent so that he knows where not to go with the lady that he's spending BCD time with, maybe that'll help too.

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by Scarlett De Rossi

To you sick fucks that do this.... I hope you all die a long slow painful death. We all have more information on you psycho's than you think we do and one day when you least expect it LEO or something far worse will be knocking on your doors.

Okay. That is all.

Scarlett, you mean this guy?

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by sue_nami

Sadly, this is is especially relevant now with several of our ladies being raped recently and one was even shared in the alerts section prior to this post so YES this is important. Rape occurs here and it is a subject that needs to be broached and should not be shamed off the board by a rude bully. of course this issue is relevant and interesting. thanks for sharing Betty. It is a crying shame we even have to endure it much less talk about it in mixed company but we do.

So if it is a recurring situation why is it not not dealt with and brought out for others to know?

Why do women sit on information about "members" here when they could put it in an alert and get the word out to others?

There is no shortage of talk about it behind the scenes. But how does that help another lady avoid a guy?

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Blue_eyed_shy_guy

RandB, does consent in general equal consent to any specifics? One example that comes to mind is a recent alert about forced BBFS upon a provider in a fantasy roleplay situation. In that case, the violation of her lack of consent to BBFS is rape, even if he paid and she agreed to have sex with him in general.

Is there more than one recent Fantasy Role Play Scenario Alert in the Alert Forum recently? I believe you are mis categorizing the alert as forced BBFS..... Read the OP and it reads at the end he was saying that all would have been easier had she let him bareback her..... Kinda supports that he wore the condom all though it was not what he desired.

[Lena Duvall]

Betty, thanks for sharing. Based on your post date/time, I'm thinking you might have been referring to one of a couple of posts from "The Honest Courtesan."

MMA fighter "War Machine" goes on trial and claims it was "impossible" for him to rape his former partner Christy Mack because she was a porn actress. via "In the News (#592)"

Porn actresses Stoya, Joanna Angel, and others have accused porn star James Deen of rape, sexual assault, and attempted rape. via "Fallen Idol"

[Leah Layada]

Holy shit you sound like a rape apologist sooo much here.

Originally Posted by RandB fan

I agree w/ that but didn't they understand what they were doing when they got into this highly rewarding profession? Done right and 5 years later you are set for life, you may not be carrying a brass ring but you could live well, never see snow unless you want to.

If you fail to do your job then you will normally find someone one who will find a way to "end run" you in business. lets say you spent months developing a 5MIL deal and because you didn't do you job you lost the contract over 100K are you justified in calling foul?. Same here as these girls have had an end run done to them mainly because they didn't do their jobs, their $250 up an hour jobs. If you do not spend the time, money and effort every time than you are going to get violated in most aspects of life. It's not right but when you chose this as a profession you should have accepted what bad days were going to look like when you fail to do your job. Believe me, I know better than almost anyone other than maybe Makeup, I meant Wakeup!

[RandB fan]

ARE YOU CALLING ME A RAPIST? STRAIGHT FORWARD , HOSTILE COMMENT, STRAIGHT ANSWER, YES OR FUCKING NO?

THINK ABOUT YOUR ANSWER, CAREFULLY.

Originally Posted by HobbyTranslationService

Holy shit you sound like a rape apologist sooo much here.

[Leah Layada]

No, I'm saying you sound like a rape apologist in the statement I quoted. Learn to read genius.

You are basically saying "well, boys will be boys...what did these girls expect being in a room alone with them?"

Originally Posted by RandB fan

ARE YOU CALLING ME A RAPIST? STRAIGHT FORWARD , HOSTILE COMMENT, STRAIGHT ANSWER, YES OR FUCKING NO?

THINK ABOUT YOUR ANSWER, CAREFULLY.

[irishlad]

Rape apologist isn't rapist. I took the same meaning from your post. Sounded like you were making the argument that because this is a business the occasional rape just comes with the job and means the provider failed to do her job.

[RandB fan]

It's a fact that this happens always has always will. If you are going to make more than someone who spend 7 years and 100K in the education to get there you should be smart enough to safe guards in place for your own protection. Why do you think they have time release safes for?
Hoogars who do not TCB and have this happen, come on here and then act like it's not their fault and want sympathy or just act like it never happened.
Business owners gather together in groups for the greater good but hoogars can't?
I know that $500-600 x 21= 10K+ to 12.5 K a month not including a couple of sleepovers and these girls have business that are serious money.Why they don't protect themselves and their brands better I do not know.

I just do not understand why they think that when something happens to them it is not their responsibility. Why don't you enlighten me?

I guess it's somewhat like this, If you know they are going to kick down your back door and rob you why don't you secure the door!!!!!!

So what do you want me to say or do when a hooger takes the course of least resistance and doesn't do all aspects of her job and her trick really is a "trick". What do you think Dr. Phil would say?

Originally Posted by irishlad

Rape apologist isn't rapist. I had the same reaction you your post. Sounded like you were making some convoluted argument that because this is a business the occasional rape is OK or at least the providers fault.

[JadeRose]

So RandB fan, you're implying that if a provider is raped it is without question SOMEHOW due to a lack of care or preparation on her end? At all times? That if she were truly conscientious and did things "RIGHT"/proper 100% of the time as a provider that she wouldnt dare attract such energy or situations? That being physically overpowered by someone suddenly is strictly a matter of professionalism, planning, and proactive effort? Do i hear some circular reasoning, maybe even self serving bias? Sorry, but until you have been in that situation (which you never will) where instant gratification takes over and a woman finds herself merely PHYSICALLY defeated by something much more powerful and intimidating and no amount of self resolve will make a difference, please keep your unsupported arguments to yourself. This is too complex of a matter. In theory, it really has absolutely nothing to do with how a woman does her job, because at any given time self will can be thrust upon someone unsuspecting. All that is needed is a matter of logisitics.

I always find it very interesting when men make such bold statements regarding our end of this business. You can speculate and intellectualize this matter all you'd like, but just remember you will never know what it is truly like to be a provider or on our end. Bottom line. The clients will NEVER know what it is truly like on the providers end. You do indeed sound like an apologist, which, given your overall usual tone in your posts, doesn't surprise me in the least. I also have a little Intel about ya that not everyone may have insight into just yet, I see you.
Try to refrain from attacking for once and let the words soak in a little.

[El Comegente]

Not apologizing for this kind of action, but 99% of the alerts written are due to the provider not screening, not getting the client to PM .
How many times have Crazy Marine and kingman gotten away with their bullshit?
How many thefts happen because the provider didn't have a clue who the actual person was?
Negligent in getting a simple PM?
Cutting corners to save time and not doing due diligence is the reason for most incidents.
That being said... yes something can go bad with a client that has never before presented problems.

[Lena Duvall]

Rapists are the only people at fault for raping people. Never the person/people who are raped. No means no means no means no means no!

[Raikage]

Bottom line is we all know rape is wrong and illegal be it from a passed out girl or an active victim ... it's just some people do not care.

And the worst of us think it's easier to rape a sex worker, since sex work is illegal and the chances of them reporting it is slimmer than it is some girl in the park.

My sex worker friend was raped by some black dude on bp ... she went to the hospital ... but she never reported it.
Another sex worker here on Eccie was raped by some white guy impersonating LE somewhere in Bee Caves ... she never reported it

So complaining to people who don't rape about the obvious DUH that rape is bad even if it's a sex worker is kinda useless preaching to the choir. So please keep calling people rape apologists and linking to articles that say rape is bad, the sky is blue and water is wet ... I'm sure you will make a change.

[El Comegente]

Originally Posted by Lena Duvall

Rapists are the only people at fault for raping people. Never the person/people who are raped. No means no means no means no means no!

Yes, but who is at fault for them getting in the door?
Especially when in most cases a deaf, dumb, and blind person could have known?

How much do you want to bet that even with a thread dedicated to The Chosen One, he will get the opportunity to force BB another?