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JD Barleycorn · 11-14-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Damn you are stupid. I am not the one making these "assumptions". I will cite countless sources for you (one is shown below) if you like that question whether or not Bush had strings pulled for him to enjoy life stateside while draftees were heading to Viet Nam. Question for you: If Clinton was in fact a draft-dodger, a federal offense, why did he not serve any time in jail like countless others did until given amnesty?

I will repeat because you don't seem to be able to grasp this statement:

IF Bush had strings pulled from him to avoid military service in the Army/Marines then he was a draft-dodger. Plain and simple.

source: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...litary_service

The controversy over his military service has concentrated on whether his father, George Herbert Walker Bush who was a U.S. Congressman at the time, exerted influence to ensure his son obtained a 'soft' posting in the National Guard and whether he completed his duties sufficiently to justify his honourable discharge in 1973.

And concerning Clinton's "draft-dodging". Nothing illegal done. Or should I say, proven to have been done.

Source: https://www.truthorfiction.com/bill-...-draft-dodger/

By enrolling at the University of Arkansas Law School and signing up in the ROTC program Clinton was able to avoid the draft. While at Georgetown, Clinton was an intern for Senator Fulbright, who was instrumental in helping Clinton to enroll in the ROTC program.

Shortly afterwards, Clinton dropped out of the University of Arkansas and he flew back to England to continue his education at Oxford and then on to Yale where he eventually earned a Juris Doctor degree from Yale. During his time in England, Clinton was also an active war protester.

Because he dropped out of the ROTC program, Clinton wrote the draft board and requested a reclassification. On October 30th the draft board sent him an A-1 classification, but President Nixon had signed into law a policy change that allowed graduate students to finish the entire year of school. This granted Clinton another college deferment. Later President Nixon signed into law the draft lottery where each day of the year was pulled out of a bowl and assigned a random number. Clinton’s lottery number for his birthday was high enough to keep him out of the Army.

Although highly criticized for skirting his way out of the draft by his political opponents, Clinton actions were, in what some might say, legal.

Do I agree with Clinton's actions? No. Would I have liked to have avoided the draft? Yes.

You forgot to mention that Clinton left Oxford without graduating and that he left under a cloud. Something about charges made by a woman about sex...

By the way, Clinton is a draft dodger. He wrote a letter to a ROTC colonel throwing out some shit that he never meant about wanting to serve but he wanted to do it as an officer. Getting him into the ROTC program would give him an opportunity for a commission (if he passed) but it was also get him out of the draft at the same time. He lied about his intentions and he got what he wanted...out of the draft.

LexusLover · 11-14-2015, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You forgot to mention.....

... give his genius wife a shout-out and she'll remind him.

I think she was a "draft dodger" also.

Yssup Rider · 11-14-2015, 02:11 PM

Like you, LLIdiot. Like you.

LexusLover · 11-14-2015, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Like you, LLIdiot. Like you.

You passing through, or just passing gas?

Hey, if you know so much about me, how come you didn't fill in Speedo? Trying to deceive him?

I B Hankering · 11-14-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You forgot to mention that Clinton left Oxford without graduating and that he left under a cloud. Something about charges made by a woman about sex...

By the way, Clinton is a draft dodger. He wrote a letter to a ROTC colonel throwing out some shit that he never meant about wanting to serve but he wanted to do it as an officer. Getting him into the ROTC program would give him an opportunity for a commission (if he passed) but it was also get him out of the draft at the same time. He lied about his intentions and he got what he wanted...out of the draft.

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Col. Eugene J. Holmes, a survivor of the Bataan Death March in World War II, was the director of the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas in 1969 when Mr. Clinton, then a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University in England, applied for an ROTC slot that would exempt him from the Vietnam War draft....

Col. Holmes said Mr. Clinton, as a student, had deliberately deceived him.

“I believe that he purposely deceived me," he said "using the possibility of joining the ROTC as a ploy to work with the draft board to delay his induction and get a new draft classification.”

(Washington Times)

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Col. Holmes Notarized Statement

As Entered in Congressional Record (Page: H5551) 7/30/93

September 7, 1992. Memorandum for Record:

Subject: Bill Clinton and the University of Arkansas ROTC Program:

There have been many unanswered questions as to the circumstances surrounding Bill Clinton's involvement with the ROTC department at the University of Arkansas. Prior to this time I have not felt the necessity for discussing the details. The reason I have not done so before is that my poor physical health (a consequence of participation in the Bataan Death March and the subsequent three and a half years interment in Japanese POW camps) has precluded me from getting into what I felt was unnecessary involvement. However, present polls show that there is the imminent danger to our country of a draft dodger becoming Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. While it is true, as Mr. Clinton has stated, that there were many others who avoided serving their country in the Vietnam war, they are not aspiring to be the President of the United States.

The tremendous implications of the possibility of his becoming Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces compels me now to comment on the facts concerning Mr. Clinton's evasion of the draft. This account would not have been imperative had Bill Clinton been completely honest with the American public concerning this matter. But as Mr. Clinton replied on a news conference this evening (September 5, 1992) after being asked another particular about his dodging the draft,

"Almost everyone concerned with these incidents are dead. I have no more comments to make".

Since I may be the only person living who can give a first hand account of what actually transpired, I am obligated by my love for my country and my sense of duty to divulge what actually happened and make it a matter of record.

Bill Clinton came to see me at my home in 1969 to discuss his desire to enroll in the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas. We engaged in an extensive, approximately two (2) hour interview. At no time during this long conversation about his desire to join the program did he inform me of his involvement, participation and actually organizing protests against the United States involvement in South East Asia. He was shrewd enough to realize that had I been aware of his activities, he would not have been accepted into the ROTC program as a potential officer in the United States Army.

The next day I began to receive phone calls regarding Bill Clinton's draft status. I was informed by the draft board that it was of interest to Senator Fullbright's office that Bill Clinton, a Rhodes Scholar, should be admitted to the ROTC program. I received several such calls. The general message conveyed by the draft board to me was that Senator Fullbright's office was putting pressure on them and that they needed my help. I then made the necessary arrangements to enroll Mr. Clinton into the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas.

I was not "saving" him from serving his country, as he erroneously thanked me for in his letter from England (dated December 3, 1969). I was making it possible for a Rhodes Scholar to serve in the military as an officer. In retrospect I see that Mr. Clinton had no intention of following through with his agreement to join the Army ROTC program at the University of Arkansas or to attend the University of Arkansas Law School. I had explained to him the necessity of enrolling at the University of Arkansas as a student in order to be eligible to take the ROTC program at the University. He never enrolled at the University of Arkansas, but instead enrolled at Yale after attending Oxford. I believe that he purposely deceived me, using the possibility of joining the ROTC as a ploy to work with the draft board to delay his induction and get a new draft classification.

The December 3rd letter written to me by Mr. Clinton, and subsequently taken from the files by Lt. Col. Clint Jones, my executive officer, was placed into the ROTC files so that a record would be available in case the applicant should again petition to enter the ROTC program. The information in that letter alone would have restricted Bill Clinton from ever qualifying to be an officer in the United States Military. Even more significant was his lack of veracity in purposefully defrauding the military by deceiving me, both in concealing his anti-military activities overseas and his counterfeit intentions for later military service. These actions cause me to question both his patriotism and his integrity. When I consider the caliber, the bravery, and the patriotism of the fine young soldiers whose deaths I have witnessed, and others whose funerals I have attended.... When I reflect on not only the willingness but eagerness that so many of them displayed in their earnest desire to defend and serve their country, it is untenable and incomprehensible to me that a man who was not merely unwilling to serve his country, but actually protested against its military, should ever be in the position of Commander-in-Chief of our armed Forces.

I write this declaration not only for the living and future generations, but for those who fought and died for our country. If space and time permitted I would include the names of the ones I knew and fought with, and along with them I would mention my brother Bob, who was killed during World War II and is buried in Cambridge, England (at the age of 23, about the age Bill Clinton was when he was over in England protesting the war). I have agonized over whether or not to submit this statement to the American people. But, I realize that even though I served my country by being in the military for over 32 years, and having gone through the ordeal of months of combat under the worst of conditions followed by years of imprisonment by the Japanese, it is not enough. I'm writing these comments to let everyone know that I love my country more than I do my own personal security and well-being. I will go to my grave loving these United States of America and the liberty for which so many men have fought and died. Because of my poor physical condition this will be my final statement. I will make no further comments to any of the media regarding this issue.

Eugene Holmes

Colonel, U.S.A., Ret.

September 1992

(GPO)

Yssup Rider · 11-14-2015, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

You passing through, or just passing gas?

Hey, if you know so much about me, how come you didn't fill in Speedo? Trying to deceive him?

Nope, he knows everything about you he needs to know. Who has ever even seen you in public since you were exiled from Clarksville!

LexusLover · 11-15-2015, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Nope, he knows everything about you he needs to know.

Excellent. Then he doesn't need to ask any questions, and he knows where to come in the event he decides to make good on his threat to kick my ass. Did you remind him of the Penal Code? All of it. And thanks for the "heads up"!

I'll be looking for a bimmer driven by a fluff with suspenders and bean sprouts stuck to his chin....... Ain't many of those around here.....a "sore thumb"! Unless he decides to send his genius wife instead. He seems like he hypes her?

Now do you want to get back to some mature discussions or is it your desire to remain in the grade school level you and Speedo enjoy so much?

Yssup Rider · 11-15-2015, 10:31 AM

Maybe you should hire a Jewish Lawyer to defend you, LLephantMan. Or at least to be your tag team partner in the big Duke-a-roo! I hear he specializes in ass kickings!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

LexusLover · 11-15-2015, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

Did you remind him of the Penal Code?

Now do you want to get back to some mature discussions or is it your desire to remain in the grade school level you and Speedo enjoy so much?

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Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Or at least to be your tag team partner in the big Duke-a-roo! I hear he specializes in ass kickings!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

I guess you want to remain on the grade school playground level.

Yssup Rider · 11-15-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

I guess you want to remain on the grade school playground level.

Well unlike others, I have no restraining order keeping me off of it.

Do you, LLephantMan?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAAHHAHAHAHAAH AHAHAHAHA!

LexusLover · 11-15-2015, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I have no restraining order keeping me off of it.

You belong there.

With or without insurance coverage for you and/or your family. But if you can't afford coverage for you, at least get them coverage. They deserve it.

SpeedRacerXXX · 11-16-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You forgot to mention that Clinton left Oxford without graduating and that he left under a cloud. Something about charges made by a woman about sex...

By the way, Clinton is a draft dodger. He wrote a letter to a ROTC colonel throwing out some shit that he never meant about wanting to serve but he wanted to do it as an officer. Getting him into the ROTC program would give him an opportunity for a commission (if he passed) but it was also get him out of the draft at the same time. He lied about his intentions and he got what he wanted...out of the draft.

So why, in your opinion, why was Clinton never charged with draft dodging/evasion? In this country a man (or woman) is innocent until proven guilty. Clinton worked the system to his advantage without breaking any laws, as many did at the time. No proof that he lied, just speculation. Both Bush and Clinton were not found guilty of draft dodging. End of story. You are certainly welcome to your opinion.

SpeedRacerXXX · 11-16-2015, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

... give his genius wife a shout-out and she'll remind him.

I think she was a "draft dodger" also.

Keep my wife out of your comments asshole. If I mention my wife fine. For you, out of bounds. It's comments of your's like this that make me threaten to kick your fucking ass .

SpeedRacerXXX · 11-16-2015, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LexusLover

I'll be looking for a bimmer driven by a fluff with suspenders and bean sprouts stuck to his chin....... Ain't many of those around here.....a "sore thumb"! Unless he decides to send his genius wife instead. He seems like he hypes her?

You are right. I don't hang out in redneck/hillbilly country.

JD Barleycorn · 11-16-2015, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

So why, in your opinion, why was Clinton never charged with draft dodging/evasion? In this country a man (or woman) is innocent until proven guilty. Clinton worked the system to his advantage without breaking any laws, as many did at the time. No proof that he lied, just speculation. Both Bush and Clinton were not found guilty of draft dodging. End of story. You are certainly welcome to your opinion.

Tell me that you think that everyone who has broken a law has been prosecuted.