Movie Theaters don't kill people...

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I align myself with personal freedom and individual responsibility. I align myself with those who would limit the role of government to protecting individuals from having their life, liberty or property taken from them by force or fraud. I align myself with those that believe the rights of the individual are supreme, and so long as my activities do not interfere with others exercising the rights, I should be allowed to do whatever the hell I want. I don't believe in forced taxation, which is theft. I don't think the government needs to know where I live, what I do or how much I make, so long as I make it honestly, and not engaged in cheating or unfair market manipulation. I believe in helping those less fortunate than me, but I want to determine who will be the beneficiary of my charity, and how much. I will not give aid and encouragement to our enemies, foreign or domestic. That includes corrupt politicians from any party. I would not support foreign aid to any country, least of those who oppose U.S. Internationally.

Call me what you want, but this is freedom. This is what made us great. This is what we are losing, and why we are spiraling toward tyranny. Greece fell, Rome fell, we will fall, unless we change quickly and dramatically. We won't. We are toast. And when all is said and done, the cronyists are going to toss you aside, just as quickly as they will me. You're a useful idiot. They don't care about you. They don't respect you, and once the full extent of their control is revealed, you will receive no benefit for your mindless support. Your just a pawn, as am I, and everyone else on this board.


Our government was never designed to make sure people had enough, or to make our lives easier. It was designed to keep us free. The first duty of government is not to keep us safe. It is to keep us free.


Government has failed because we have failed. We believed the lies. We voted for corruption. We condone, and reward dishonesty. We allow the corporations and banks decide our candidates. We have no choice. Nothing changes. McCain would have passed the same health care bill. It was going to pass regardless. If McCain had passed it, the Democrats would be pretending to try to repeal it, and meet with no success. It was coming regardless who won.


What do Dems and Reps always agree on? Police state expansion, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, and other bills restricting freedom. Their phony arguments are on irrelevant issues, to keep us from paying attention to what's really going on. And the state controlled media follow suit, and yes, that includes FOX. FOX only serves to give the illusion of disagreement, but they are as phony as the others.


What needs to happen, won't happen. The elitists have too much control. The people are effectively distracted.


We are entering a very dark period. My heart breaks for my grandchildren. I'll be gone when the worst hits. Focus on the important. Love your kids. And grandkids. Give them a base of love and courage, and self worth. Those are the tools they need to survive. That's my mission for my remaining years. That, and pissing off WPF occasionally. I need to have fun, too!

+1

Jim

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I align myself with personal freedom and individual responsibility. I align myself with those who would limit the role of government to protecting individuals from having their life, liberty or property taken from them by force or fraud. I align myself with those that believe the rights of the individual are supreme, and so long as my activities do not interfere with others exercising the rights, I should be allowed to do whatever the hell I want. I don't believe in forced taxation, which is theft. I don't think the government needs to know where I live, what I do or how much I make, so long as I make it honestly, and not engaged in cheating or unfair market manipulation. I believe in helping those less fortunate than me, but I want to determine who will be the beneficiary of my charity, and how much. I will not give aid and encouragement to our enemies, foreign or domestic. That includes corrupt politicians from any party. I would not support foreign aid to any country, least of those who oppose U.S. Internationally.

Call me what you want, but this is freedom. This is what made us great. This is what we are losing, and why we are spiraling toward tyranny. Greece fell, Rome fell, we will fall, unless we change quickly and dramatically. We won't. We are toast. And when all is said and done, the cronyists are going to toss you aside, just as quickly as they will me. You're a useful idiot. They don't care about you. They don't respect you, and once the full extent of their control is revealed, you will receive no benefit for your mindless support. Your just a pawn, as am I, and everyone else on this board.


Our government was never designed to make sure people had enough, or to make our lives easier. It was designed to keep us free. The first duty of government is not to keep us safe. It is to keep us free.


Government has failed because we have failed. We believed the lies. We voted for corruption. We condone, and reward dishonesty. We allow the corporations and banks decide our candidates. We have no choice. Nothing changes. McCain would have passed the same health care bill. It was going to pass regardless. If McCain had passed it, the Democrats would be pretending to try to repeal it, and meet with no success. It was coming regardless who won.


What do Dems and Reps always agree on? Police state expansion, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, and other bills restricting freedom. Their phony arguments are on irrelevant issues, to keep us from paying attention to what's really going on. And the state controlled media follow suit, and yes, that includes FOX. FOX only serves to give the illusion of disagreement, but they are as phony as the others.


What needs to happen, won't happen. The elitists have too much control. The people are effectively distracted.


We are entering a very dark period. My heart breaks for my grandchildren. I'll be gone when the worst hits. Focus on the important. Love your kids. And grandkids. Give them a base of love and courage, and self worth. Those are the tools they need to survive. That's my mission for my remaining years. That, and pissing off WPF occasionally. I need to have fun, too!

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

+1

Jim

You're both living in the same dream world. You're also incorrect about the first duty of government. The first duty is to protect its citizens. Without protection, freedom is worthless. You've got it the wrong way around. Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, et al, would disagree with you. As for your first paragraph, it sounds like you want to live on the fucking honor system. Have you met another human being? Jesus Christ, talk about wolves guarding the chicken house. I guess the government should just believe you when you tell them you're honest, right?

[DSK]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I align myself with personal freedom and individual responsibility. I align myself with those who would limit the role of government to protecting individuals from having their life, liberty or property taken from them by force or fraud. I align myself with those that believe the rights of the individual are supreme, and so long as my activities do not interfere with others exercising the rights, I should be allowed to do whatever the hell I want. I don't believe in forced taxation, which is theft. I don't think the government needs to know where I live, what I do or how much I make, so long as I make it honestly, and not engaged in cheating or unfair market manipulation. I believe in helping those less fortunate than me, but I want to determine who will be the beneficiary of my charity, and how much. I will not give aid and encouragement to our enemies, foreign or domestic. That includes corrupt politicians from any party. I would not support foreign aid to any country, least of those who oppose U.S. Internationally.

Call me what you want, but this is freedom. This is what made us great. This is what we are losing, and why we are spiraling toward tyranny. Greece fell, Rome fell, we will fall, unless we change quickly and dramatically. We won't. We are toast. And when all is said and done, the cronyists are going to toss you aside, just as quickly as they will me. You're a useful idiot. They don't care about you. They don't respect you, and once the full extent of their control is revealed, you will receive no benefit for your mindless support. Your just a pawn, as am I, and everyone else on this board.


Our government was never designed to make sure people had enough, or to make our lives easier. It was designed to keep us free. The first duty of government is not to keep us safe. It is to keep us free.


Government has failed because we have failed. We believed the lies. We voted for corruption. We condone, and reward dishonesty. We allow the corporations and banks decide our candidates. We have no choice. Nothing changes. McCain would have passed the same health care bill. It was going to pass regardless. If McCain had passed it, the Democrats would be pretending to try to repeal it, and meet with no success. It was coming regardless who won.


What do Dems and Reps always agree on? Police state expansion, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, and other bills restricting freedom. Their phony arguments are on irrelevant issues, to keep us from paying attention to what's really going on. And the state controlled media follow suit, and yes, that includes FOX. FOX only serves to give the illusion of disagreement, but they are as phony as the others.


What needs to happen, won't happen. The elitists have too much control. The people are effectively distracted.


We are entering a very dark period. My heart breaks for my grandchildren. I'll be gone when the worst hits. Focus on the important. Love your kids. And grandkids. Give them a base of love and courage, and self worth. Those are the tools they need to survive. That's my mission for my remaining years. That, and pissing off WPF occasionally. I need to have fun, too!

I believe and applaud everything you said, except for the part about pissing off WPF. He is having a gay old time regardless of what goes on here.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by DSK

I believe and applaud everything you said, except for the part about pissing off WPF. He is having a gay old time regardless of what goes on here.

That sounds like more of the same idiot nonsense that JL The Welshing Idiot used to regurgitate prior to (him) losing the "wager".

Why are there so many similarities between you and JLIdiot?

Up to and including, when JLIdiot stopped posting, DSKIdiot started.

Hmmmm! Could it be that you two Idiots are actually, one and the same Idiot?

JL was a wannabee Lawyer then.

JL is a wannabe Baker now.

Busted!

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

You're both living in the same dream world. You're also incorrect about the first duty of government. The first duty is to protect its citizens. Without protection, freedom is worthless. You've got it the wrong way around. Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, et al, would disagree with you. As for your first paragraph, it sounds like you want to live on the fucking honor system. Have you met another human being? Jesus Christ, talk about wolves guarding the chicken house. I guess the government should just believe you when you tell them you're honest, right?

Question. Did we fight the revolution so we could be safe, or so we could be free? Where did Jefferson or any Founder state that safety is more important than freedom? Why should the government question my honesty? If there is probable cause to believe I have have tried to take someone's life liberty or property by force or fraud, they can prosecute and prove it. If a citizen believes that, they can take me to court and sue me. What honor system? You are clueless. You are embarrassing yourself with your stupidity.

The Constitution provides for a court system. States can provide for a police force, and courts. Nothing anti-Libertarian about that. It's just that freedom and individual rights are supreme. LE are servants of the people, not enforcers for government.


You are an idiot.

[Yssup Rider]

Wholly chit, Whiny!

I'm not willing to give my life for your freedom to carry a gun into a movie theater.

And that's my right under the fucking constitution, too.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

That's not a realistic proposition. And in your comment we find a microcosm of what's wrong with most libertarian policies. They just aren't realistic. You have to deal with this on the level of real life, with real people. They aren't chess pieces to be moved around, with no thought to how it will affect their lives. They have jobs, they help their communities, they have families, etc. And I don't want to here about the reverse and how mexico would treat immigrants. We aren't mexico. I thought we were supposed to be the shining example for the world? What happened to that shit? I guess we only shine when it's convenient. Other than that, we're no better than anyone else.

" And I don't want to HERE...." !!? !! For a swishy walker that claims to be a "freelance writer for travel guides" you sure don't know how to spell , woomby / undercunt / rusty balloon knot / wanna-be jalapeno sucker !!! And we all realize that you libs NEVER want to HERE anything that isn't in lockstep with your lying liberal socialist / communist agenda. Brook NO dissent, hey woomby ? !
How do you HERE when Big Sir tells you to "bend over beyotch, here it comes again ? You HERE that REAL well, now don't you woomby ? If you're such an advocate for the gente, move some of them into that basement room of yours in your Momma / sister's basement and use YOUR money to feed and clothe them !!! They might make you have to buy more Depends than you do now, but just buy them in bulk at Costco or Sam's Club. Surely there must be one close to Talleywackers that you can stop by on your way to or from working the 'holes !! Maybe you can get some gay caballeros and fellow maricones to move in down there with you and shammy and Big Sir and start some "in house" bukakke parties !Think of the "ropey loads" that you could be getting at home for your facials !!

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Question. Did we fight the revolution so we could be safe, or so we could be free? Where did Jefferson or any Founder state that safety is more important than freedom? Why should the government question my honesty? If there is probable cause to believe I have have tried to take someone's life liberty or property by force or fraud, they can prosecute and prove it. If a citizen believes that, they can take me to court and sue me. What honor system? You are clueless. You are embarrassing yourself with your stupidity.

The Constitution provides for a court system. States can provide for a police force, and courts. Nothing anti-Libertarian about that. It's just that freedom and individual rights are supreme. LE are servants of the people, not enforcers for government.


You are an idiot.

You're hopeless. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. Freedom without safety is pointless. How you don't get that is beyond me. If you're not safe, you're not really free. Are you? My entire point is that while you might be right in some of your argument, you're never going to see it. Ever.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

I don't support capitalism in any form....

Says the inveterate liar who claims to have made a fortune as a capitalist internet app developer.... having trouble keeping your stories straight again, sewer rat?

Originally Posted by WombRaider

Freedom without safety is pointless.... If you're not safe, you're not really free.

Poor widdle woomby doesn't feel safe here. Listen you wuss, you're making our point. If you don't feel safe, then go out and buy a firearm! Or can't you pass the background check? What a pussy you are.

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[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

You're both living in the same dream world. You're also incorrect about the first duty of government. The first duty is to protect its citizens. Without protection, freedom is worthless. You've got it the wrong way around. Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, et al, would disagree with you. As for your first paragraph, it sounds like you want to live on the fucking honor system. Have you met another human being? Jesus Christ, talk about wolves guarding the chicken house. I guess the government should just believe you when you tell them you're honest, right?

Although the Government has an obligation to keep it's citizens safe, they have an even greater obligation to our freedoms and liberties afforded to us by our constitution. In order to thoroughly understand that you must understand the law, for it has been said that this is a country of laws not men. It just so happens that men have over stepped the law in order to afford us added security at the expense of our liberties and that is against the law.

Jim

http://krisannehall.com/government-e...here-are-they/

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Wholly chit, Whiny!

I'm not willing to give my life for your freedom to carry a gun into a movie theater.

And that's my right under the fucking constitution, too.

The movie theater is private property. The owner can decide who and what gets in. Who said there was a right to carry a firearm onto private property against the owner's wishes?


Pay attention. You have a comprehension problem.


At least in the service you learned how to clean latrines. Must be nice for your customers to have a tidy glory hole.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

You're hopeless. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. Not everyone, but you are. Freedom without safety is pointless. Ask Benjamin Franklin. How you don't get that is beyond me. If you're not safe, you're not really free. Are you? If you are completely safe, you are not free at all. My entire point is that while you might be right in some of your argument, you're never going to see it. I never will, because it's stupid. You want the government to keep you safe. Fine. I want the government to keep me free. Better. Ever.

You are in over your head.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You are in over your head.

woomby likes it when he's getting his fudge packed and the "driver" is "in over his head".

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Although the Government has an obligation to keep it's citizens safe, they have an even greater obligation to our freedoms and liberties afforded to us by our constitution. In order to thoroughly understand that you must understand the law, for it has been said that this is a country of laws not men. It just so happens that men have over stepped the law in order to afford us added security at the expense of our liberties and that is against the law.

Jim

http://krisannehall.com/government-e...here-are-they/

Are you shitting me? No obligation to keep its citizens safe? From private harm, maybe not, but harm from without?

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You are in over your head.

You went in over your head a long time ago. You're drowning, old man.

"That government is best, which governs least"

It's a great thought. It's never going to happen, because "hell is other people."