It’s called “Shut the F**K up” and leave dumb shit.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

It makes no difference what threat that Officer perceived, the instant he pulled that gun, the entire senario changed.

This was a crowded residential neighborhood. Just exactly who was he going to shoot, and if he missed, (pretty likley), where was that bullet going to end up.

That officer was put in a no win situation. His lack of seniority and training showed.

There are a lot of lessons to be learned here. if we are satisfied with letting the punks and thugs have free reign, then just tell the cops to sit on the freeway and write tickets.
But if we are going to get a handle on things and stop allowing the inmates to run the asylum, then we are going to have to anti up and train our Police Officers better, and be willing to pay them what the job is worth.

Spot on. There is no doubt the kids should have shut the fuck up. But, that cop's reaction was over the top.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by timpage

Spot on. There is no doubt the kids should have shut the fuck up. But, that cop's reaction was over the top.

Folks like JD only call out Cops when they harass Tea Pot rallies!

[Sickpuppy]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

It makes no difference what threat that Officer perceived, the instant he pulled that gun, the entire senario changed.

This was a crowded residential neighborhood. Just exactly who was he going to shoot, and if he missed, (pretty likley), where was that bullet going to end up.

That officer was put in a no win situation. His lack of seniority and training showed.

There are a lot of lessons to be learned here. if we are satisfied with letting the punks and thugs have free reign, then just tell the cops to sit on the freeway and write tickets.
But if we are going to get a handle on things and stop allowing the inmates to run the asylum, then we are going to have to anti up and train our Police Officers better, and be willing to pay them what the job is worth.

He didn’t shoot. Do you really believe an officer never has to pull his gun in self-defense? So, the cop has to wait until they shoot first? Two big guys lunged at him in a hostile crowd, he pulled; they ran, he quickly re-holstered his weapon because it achieved the desired affect without bloodshed. A baton would have made little bloody lumps on their little pinheads, and then you’d go after him for that. I suppose he should have let them jump him and beat the shit out of him, just to be politically correct and not make the evening news. If a civilian was in exactly the same situation and had a concealed carry permit and pulled his weapon out of fear for his own safety, only a liberal jury would blame him for protecting himself. I really don’t care if the investigation shows they were or weren’t armed. He had no way of knowing if they were armed and acted within reason given the situation.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Sickpuppy

The best part was where non-compliant big mouth get's what she deserves and screams "Call my Momma". Just another spoiled brat. We should all try that next time we get pulled over for a traffic ticket.

I got a couple of questions you or another Texan might shed light on as your news would cover more than here.

There was a cell phone video of two white women fighting with a black women prior to the cops arriving, when they did they hauled ass across the street and left. The owner of the vid stated this was what started the trouble.

Second was a report a white neighbor had shouting across the fence telling the kids to go back to their section 8 housing.

Anything to these reports?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Sickpuppy

He didn’t shoot. Do you really believe an officer never has to pull his gun in self-defense? So, the cop has to wait until they shoot first? Two big guys lunged at him in a hostile crowd, he pulled; they ran, he quickly re-holstered his weapon because it achieved the desired affect without bloodshed. A baton would have made little bloody lumps on their little pinheads, and then you’d go after him for that. I suppose he should have let them jump him and beat the shit out of him, just to be politically correct and not make the evening news. If a civilian was in exactly the same situation and had a concealed carry permit and pulled his weapon out of fear for his own safety, only a liberal jury would blame him for protecting himself. I really don’t care if the investigation shows they were or weren’t armed. He had no way of knowing if they were armed and acted within reason given the situation.

The Cop escalated the situation. Nobody is defending the dumbshit girls action on here. But that does not excuse the Cop fro acting a fool. My guess is he will be suspended for some time and have to do some kind of retraining. Which seem s about right for what transpired.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Second was a report a white neighbor had shouting across the fence telling the kids to go back to their section 8 housing.

Anything to these reports?

That is a question for JD, sounds like something he'd say!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

The Cop escalated the situation.

That is incorrect.

The two goons who came up behind the Cop "escalated the situation."

As has been stated repeatedly .... you don't know what they said to him.

Almost immediately after he pulled his weapon the two goons hauled ass.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

That is incorrect.

The two goons who came up behind the Cop "escalated the situation."

As has been stated repeatedly .... you don't know what they said to him.

Almost immediately after he pulled his weapon the two goons hauled ass.

Sounds like more members of the Dindo Nuffin tribe that Al Sharptounge and the liberals all try to make out as pillars of the community and choir boys. woomby and shammy heroes and "clients" , in other words.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by Sickpuppy

He didn’t shoot. Do you really believe an officer never has to pull his gun in self-defense? So, the cop has to wait until they shoot first? Two big guys lunged at him in a hostile crowd, he pulled; they ran, he quickly re-holstered his weapon because it achieved the desired affect without bloodshed. A baton would have made little bloody lumps on their little pinheads, and then you’d go after him for that. I suppose he should have let them jump him and beat the shit out of him, just to be politically correct and not make the evening news. If a civilian was in exactly the same situation and had a concealed carry permit and pulled his weapon out of fear for his own safety, only a liberal jury would blame him for protecting himself. I really don’t care if the investigation shows they were or weren’t armed. He had no way of knowing if they were armed and acted within reason given the situation.

Police Officers are issued firearms specifically for deadly force encounters. For instance if an assailant has brandished a firearm, knife or any other implement that could be used to cause death or great bodily harm to the officer deadly force by the officer is warranted. Officers also carry expandable batons, Tasers, and chemical sprays for unarmed combative subjects. Officers today follow what is called a force continuum. The basics of the force continuum actually starts with the officer's presence, verbal commands, empty hand control techniques (soft, hard empty hand control) secondary weapons and of course deadly force use of firearm. Of course the force continuum will not always go in this order. An officer may encounter an armed suspect and immediately draw his weapon and use deadly force or the situation may escalate or even deescalate an officer must act accordingly. I think for the most part the officer in this case did well but he should have refrained from drawing his weapon, but he did holster it soon after which I think was good and could minimize any disciplinary actions against him.

Jim

[Guest032516]

The cop who pulled his gun has resigned. Probably all for the best. But he shouldn't face charges for anything, since no one got hurt. He lost his cool, but he was in a bad situation to begin with. But he was clearly a hothead.

And the two punks that lunged at him and caused him to pull the gun? They SHOULD be prosecuted for interfering with a police officer making an arrest and end up with criminal records. Serves them right, too.

The 14 year old girl? Her parents (probably only a mother) need to be told a 14 year old shouldn't be wearing a bikini that tiny in public with a bunch of boys that appear to be several years older. My prediction for her is: 3 kids by age 25 by at least two different baby daddies. No husband, of course.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Sickpuppy

The best part was where non-compliant big mouth get's what she deserves and screams "Call my Momma". Just another spoiled brat. We should all try that next time we get pulled over for a traffic ticket.

She was 14 years old, what the fuck would you do?

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

The cop who pulled his gun has resigned. Probably all for the best. But he shouldn't face charges for anything, since no one got hurt. He lost his cool, but he was in a bad situation to begin with. But he was clearly a hothead.

And the two punks that lunged at him and caused him to pull the gun? They SHOULD be prosecuted for interfering with a police officer making an arrest and end up with criminal records. Serves them right, too.

The 14 year old girl? Her parents (probably only a mother) need to be told a 14 year old shouldn't be wearing a bikini that tiny in public with a bunch of boys that appear to be several years older. My prediction for her is: 3 kids by age 25 by at least two different baby daddies. No husband, of course.

This is the first I've heard that the officer resigned. That's to bad. I don't think he would have been fired. He may have been suspended but that would have been the extent of any disciplinary action against him. I agree he came into a bad situation to start with. For all we know he could of had several disturbance calls in that that neighborhood in the past and this time he just wasn't going to put up with any shit ,and his emotions got the best of him quick.

Jim

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

This is the first I've heard that the officer resigned. That's to bad. I don't think he would have been fired. He may have been suspended but that would have been the extent of any disciplinary action against him. I agree he came into a bad situation to start with. For all we know he could of had several disturbance calls in that that neighborhood in the past and this time he just wasn't going to put up with any shit ,and his emotions got the best of him quick.

Jim

Do you want a guy who reacts like that to be in a position of authority? With a gun?

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

Do you want a guy who reacts like that to be in a position of authority? With a gun?

That's hard to say. We don't really know his career background. I think I heard that he had made officer of the year once. He certainly made a few mistakes in this incident that are hard to overlook, but I wouldn't categorize him as a loose cannon. Because of the publicity of this incident his Department may have gave him a choice of being fired or resigning instead of just suspending him. It's easy for people who have never had to protect anything or anyone to second guess police officers who are in that position.

Jim

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

That's hard to say. We don't really know his career background. I think I heard that he had made officer of the year once. He certainly made a few mistakes in this incident that are hard to overlook, but I wouldn't categorize him as a loose cannon. Because of the publicity of this incident his Department may have gave him a choice of being fired or resigning instead of just suspending him. It's easy for people who have never had to protect anything or anyone to second guess police officers who are in that position.

Jim

This is true, but no one forced him to be a peace officer. That was a choice. Just like pulling that gun was a choice. What's puzzling is that he's the only officer that seems to be freaking out. And how much harm could he have feared would come from a 14-year old girl who clearly wasn't hiding a weapon.