74 school shootings since Sandy Hook. More dead today.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I agree for the most part with you. Criminals are not idiots. Most are going to commit crimes when the odds are in their favor that they will get away with it and not get caught. What I don't believe is that criminals have any idea what the CHL laws are in the city in which they live. If they knew that less than 3% of eligible people in Texas have CHLs would they or would they not increase or decrease their activity? I have no idea.

BTW, I enjoy discussing issues with you. Unlike certain other individuals, your statements are well thought out and expressed.

Texas is a gun state. Most Texans have a vast knowledge and appreciation for firearms. Although Texas has had for a long time concealed handgun laws and if it has affected violent crime or not I couldn't really say for sure, because the statistics are only gun related deaths. We never really hear about the statistics of gun related self defense shootings. If we knew more about that single stat we would get a better idea.

Jim

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

"the God-given right to defend yourself with weapons, and to protect yourself and your country from tyranny..."
http://www.chuckhawks.com/we_are_wrong_gun_rights.htm

Holy shit.

God given right? Where does "God" GIVE anyone the RIGHT to anything? I'd like to see God's quote on this. Not some fool trying to manipulate mindless lemmings like you and the rest of the dipshit circus.

You are a blithering idiot.

No wonder you aren't allowed to have a firearm in the "home."

[RedLeg505]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Source: http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/...of-state-guns/

He (Blomberg) added: “All the shootings have a disgraceful fact in common: all were committed with illegal guns that came from out of state. And that is the case with nearly every shooting in our city.”

Those who oppose restrictions on gun ownership might argue that New York’s strict laws don’t seem to stop this sort of crime. Others, including me, see it as a national problem when someone can buy a firearm in a state that’s soft on guns, carry it into another state and shoot four cops. It’s a national problem that requires national standards.

So criminals in NYC are unable to obtain guns in NY state. Therefore they head to other states where it is obviously easier to purchase handguns and bring them back to NY. So the question is, what if other states enacted gun control laws that were similar to NY's? First, I know this won't happen. But is impossible to say whether of not it would work. I'm sure you would disagree.

BTW. I dislike being termed "anti-gun". I support your right to have a handgun, or any other LEGAL weapon, in your home. I support your right to have a handgun in your car. I support your right to carry a concealed handgun as long as you follow the CHL laws in your state. I would hardly call wanting measures taken to try to decrease the 10,000+ handgun homicides in this country makes me "anti-gun". Hopefully you would be in favor or lowering that number too. We probably disagree on how to do it.

So.. let me make sure I understand your argument. You cite Blomberg who notes that.. as I underlined.."all were committed with illegal guns"

So the "answer" given for these shootings with ILLEGAL GUNS is.. to pass more laws making more stuff illegal? That will be IGNORED by criminals? And they wonder why their plans are ineffective?

Seriously? And please see my response to your fictitious 10,000+ number.

[RedLeg505]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Holy shit.

God given right? Where does "God" GIVE anyone the RIGHT to anything?

So.. you believe that the founding fathers were wrong when they claimed "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"??

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

Ah yes, the often trotted out 10,000+ gun deaths each year number. Funny how the FBI data doesn't support that:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

From those numbers, our "high water mark" for murders of all types peaked in 1993 at 23,189, with 69.6% caused by guns (total 16,136).. and that the numbers have been DROPPING since then to the most recent year of 2011 where a total of 12,664 murders, but only 8,583 or 67.7 percent caused by guns of all types. Some have tried to argue that the drop was due to the Assault Weapon Ban that went into effect in 1994. If that were true, then when the ban expired in 2004, the numbers should have gone back up... and as you can see from the data, it didn't.

Now.. for the real quiz winner. What happened about 1993 and has increased exponentially since then until today? Here's a hint. Go look up the number of people licensed to carry concealed in their state(s). What's your guess? Has the number increased or decreased? Have you heard the "Fox Butterfield" argument? "I have no idea why so many more people are getting licenses to carry guns, since the murder rate is dropping". Gee, why in the world would that be happening?

I'll be happy to use your numbers. Still puts us far and away the record-holder for most homicides in nations with similar demographics. Anybody who does not understand that FACT is an idiot.

Obviously you did not read the article I cited concerning CHLs and homicide rates. No proven correlation at all according to experts. Or at least no way to break out the affect CHLs have had on the homicide rate since it is one of many factors that have come into play in the last 20 years as cities and states have tried to reduce the ridiculous homicide rate we have in the U.S.

I keep saying that a whopping 3% of Texans have CHLs. Do you think would-be criminals say "I'm not going to go out tonight and commit a homicide with my handgun because 3 out of every 100 Texans over the age of 21 might be carrying"? What you have to understand is that homicides for the most part are not committed in conjunction with other crimes. They are mostly spur-of-the-moment occurrences -- 2 people get into an argument and one guy blows away the other guy.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

So.. let me make sure I understand your argument. You cite Blomberg who notes that.. as I underlined.."all were committed with illegal guns"

So the "answer" given for these shootings with ILLEGAL GUNS is.. to pass more laws making more stuff illegal? That will be IGNORED by criminals? And they wonder why their plans are ineffective?

Seriously? And please see my response to your fictitious 10,000+ number.

\

You are as dumb as IB Hankering, and that is saying something. The 10,000 number was a valid number in 2010 -- 11,078 homicides. 2011 -- 11,101. But as I said in another post, I'll use your lower homicide numbers. Still doesn't look good when compared to the U.K., Japan, Germany, Italy, Spain, Denmark, Belgium, Switzerland, France, etc. Countries similar to the U.S.

Are criminals ignoring the laws in NY? Not at all. The FACT is they can't buy guns in NY. So they are forced to go elsewhere to get their guns. UNDERSTAND??? Very simple concept. What NY can't stop is criminals buying guns in other states and bringing them back to NY. If other states simply enacted laws similar to those in NY, the criminals would keep having to find new sources for their guns. I know that this logic will not get through to you but I'll keep trying. For a while. I've given on IB and I'll probably have to give up on you too eventually.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Holy shit.

God given right? Where does "God" GIVE anyone the RIGHT to anything? I'd like to see God's quote on this. Not some fool trying to manipulate mindless lemmings like you and the rest of the dipshit circus.

You are a blithering idiot.

No wonder you aren't allowed to have a firearm in the "home."

Androgynous "Dick Turd" jammieboy... I'm sorry there are crazy MoFo's in this world, but I will not give up the good fight because you are crying like a bitch...




.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

So.. you believe that the founding fathers were wrong when they claimed "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"??

Many times a right given to one person impacts the rights of others. You do not have the right to carry a firearm into my home. This impacts you if you want to do so. So if you are implying that gun ownership is an unalienable right, you are 100% wrong.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Many times a right given to one person impacts the rights of others. You do not have the right to carry a firearm into my home. This impacts you if you want to do so. So if you are implying that gun ownership is an unalienable right, you are 100% wrong.

Why would i come to your house anyway? libtard.

In the twenty-first century, the amendment has been subjected to renewed academic inquiry and judicial interest.[11] In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision, expressly holding the amendment to protect an individual right to possess and carry firearms.[12][13] In McDonald v. Chicago (2010), the Court clarified its earlier decisions that limited the amendment's impact to a restriction on the federal government, expressly holding that the Fourteenth Amendment applies the Second Amendment to state and local governments to the same extent that the Second Amendment applies to the federal government.[14] Despite these decisions, the debate between the gun control and gun rights movements and related organizations continues.[15]

You libtards just won't give up until everyone is a serf to the NWO Feudal Lords. then you'll realize .. way way too late .. what fucking fools you are.



Oh, and just to let you know, flying this flag is now considered a "subversive act" in this Country.

http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97374/
A Louisiana driver was stopped and detained for having a “Don’t Tread on Me” bumper sticker on his vehicle and warned by a police officer about the “subversive” message it sent, according to the driver’s relative.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97374/#CiRBi0GekF4UQaYT.99

The commentator wrote, “The bumper sticker is based on the famous flag designed by American Revolution era general and statesman Christopher Gadsden. The yellow flag featured a coiled diamondback rattlesnake ready to strike, with the slogan ‘Don’t Tread on Me!’ underneath it. Benjamin Franklin helped make the rattlesnake a symbol of Americans’ reluctance to quarrel but vigilance and resolve in defense of their rights.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97374/#CiRBi0GekF4UQaYT.99




The 2nd Amendment (ever wonder why its second after only the 1st Amendment ?) you know, the one that guarantees everyone's freedoms?

it's there to ENSURE the first and rest of the Constitution. And this Country.


http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/...ic_flag_n.html


May 12, 2009

Historic Flag Now Considered "Extremist" by Authorities

Now that the bloated DHS bureaucracy has called off the War on Terror to devote itself to harassing those who might not be on board with Comrade Obama's agenda, you're running a risk if you drive around with this historic flag on your car:

Are you getting all this Assuphole? you libtard hebeo. Remember two these two things.

You and and the rest of you libtards voted for Prez Negtard and now THIS is your "Hope and Change" enjoy it but also remember this...

and ...
"La révolution dévore ses enfants"

oh, yes, yes, yes!!! get it now? you "socialist leaning libtards" will be the first to be done in by your own "Revolution".

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Why would i come to your house anyway? libtard.

In the twenty-first century, the amendment has been subjected to renewed academic inquiry and judicial interest.[11] In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision, expressly holding the amendment to protect an individual right to possess and carry firearms.[12][13] In McDonald v. Chicago (2010), the Court clarified its earlier decisions that limited the amendment's impact to a restriction on the federal government, expressly holding that the Fourteenth Amendment applies the Second Amendment to state and local governments to the same extent that the Second Amendment applies to the federal government.[14] Despite these decisions, the debate between the gun control and gun rights movements and related organizations continues.[15]

You libtards just won't give up until everyone is a serf to the NWO Feudal Lords. then you'll realize .. way way too late .. what fucking fools you are.



Oh, and just to let you know, flying this flag is now considered a "subversive act" in this Country.

http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97374/
A Louisiana driver was stopped and detained for having a “Don’t Tread on Me” bumper sticker on his vehicle and warned by a police officer about the “subversive” message it sent, according to the driver’s relative.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97374/#CiRBi0GekF4UQaYT.99

The commentator wrote, “The bumper sticker is based on the famous flag designed by American Revolution era general and statesman Christopher Gadsden. The yellow flag featured a coiled diamondback rattlesnake ready to strike, with the slogan ‘Don’t Tread on Me!’ underneath it. Benjamin Franklin helped make the rattlesnake a symbol of Americans’ reluctance to quarrel but vigilance and resolve in defense of their rights.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97374/#CiRBi0GekF4UQaYT.99




The 2nd Amendment (ever wonder why its second after only the 1st Amendment ?) you know, the one that guarantees everyone's freedoms?

it's there to ENSURE the first and rest of the Constitution. And this Country.


http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/...ic_flag_n.html


May 12, 2009

Historic Flag Now Considered "Extremist" by Authorities

Now that the bloated DHS bureaucracy has called off the War on Terror to devote itself to harassing those who might not be on board with Comrade Obama's agenda, you're running a risk if you drive around with this historic flag on your car:

Are you getting all this Assuphole? you libtard hebeo. Remember two these two things.

You and and the rest of you libtards voted for Prez Negtard and now THIS is your "Hope and Change" enjoy it but also remember this...

and ...
"La révolution dévore ses enfants"

oh, yes, yes, yes!!! get it now? you "socialist leaning libtards" will be the first to be done in by your own "Revolution".

Looks like the same flag the Millers placed on the police they shot in Vegas.

[RedLeg505]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

So if you are implying that gun ownership is an unalienable right, you are 100% wrong.

Seems we found something to agree on. Constitutional rights CAN have limits, such as the one you describe. I have NO right to carry my firearm onto the property of someone who doesn't want it there. Key being that a Constitutional right is not a right people are endowed by the Creator, but rather a right granted by the framers of the Constitution, that may be changed if the proper procedures are followed, such as Prohibition.. A horrid mistake, but one accomplished legally. Folks want guns banned?? The follow procedure to change the second amendment, quit trying to sneak your way to your goal.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Looks like the same flag the Millers placed on the police they shot in Vegas.

FUCK THEM. That flag doesn't stand for any of the extremist shit they stand for.
If those idiots think shooting cops in the name of Liberty accomplishes anything then they are dumber than YOU are. Chimp.

[RedLeg505]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I'll be happy to use your numbers. Still puts us far and away the record-holder for most homicides in nations with similar demographics. Anybody who does not understand that FACT is an idiot.
They are mostly spur-of-the-moment occurrences -- 2 people get into an argument and one guy blows away the other guy.

1. Fine, what other nation with similar demographics do you want to use as your comparison? Denmark? Sweden? Japan?

2. So, how come the crime, homicide, and gun violence numbers have all come DOWN since 1993?? I mean, the claim is things are getting worse today, right?? Numbers surely don't support that claim.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

1. Fine, what other nation with similar demographics do you want to use as your comparison? Denmark? Sweden? Japan?

2. So, how come the crime, homicide, and gun violence numbers have all come DOWN since 1993?? I mean, the claim is things are getting worse today, right?? Numbers surely don't support that claim.

He can't. Because the numbers show otherwise. Despite the huge number of gun owners in the US, or .. here's a thought ,,, Because of the huge number of gun owners, the US is nowhere near the top of the list in terms of Per Capita gun violence. NOWHERE NEAR THE TOP. Let's see the numbers shall we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate
By country


UNODC murder rates most recent year

Country Rate Count Region Subregion Year listed
Burundi 8.0 790 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Comoros 10.0 72 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Djibouti 10.1 87 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Eritrea 7.1 437 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Ethiopia 12.0 11,048 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Kenya 6.4 2,761 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Madagascar 11.1 2,465 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Malawi 1.8 279 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Mauritius 2.8 34 Africa Eastern Africa 2011
Mayotte (France) 6.0 12 Africa Eastern Africa 2009
Mozambique 12.4 3,133 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Réunion (France) 1.8 15 Africa Eastern Africa 2009
Rwanda 23.1 2,648 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Seychelles 9.5 9 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Somalia 8.0 819+ Africa Eastern Africa 2012
South Sudan 13.9 1,504++ Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Uganda 10.7 3,753 Africa Eastern Africa 2011
Tanzania 12.7 6,071 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Zambia 10.7 1,501 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Zimbabwe 10.6 1,450 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Angola 10.0 2,079 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Cameroon 7.6 1,654 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Central African Republic 11.8 532+ Africa Middle Africa 2012
Chad 7.3 907 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Congo 12.5 541 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Democratic Republic of the Congo 28.3 18,586 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Equatorial Guinea 19.3 142 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Gabon 9.1 148 Africa Middle Africa 2012
São Tomé and Príncipe 3.3 6 Africa Middle Africa 2011
Algeria 0.7 280 Africa Northern Africa 2011
Egypt 3.4 2,703 Africa Northern Africa 2011
Libya 1.7 103+ Africa Northern Africa 2012
Morocco 2.2 704 Africa Northern Africa 2012
Sudan 11.2 4,159++ Africa Northern Africa 2012
Tunisia 2.2 235 Africa Northern Africa 2012
Botswana 18.4 368 Africa Southern Africa 2012
Lesotho 38.0 764 Africa Southern Africa 2010
Namibia 17.2 388 Africa Southern Africa 2012
South Africa 31.0 16,259 Africa Southern Africa 2012
Swaziland 33.8 416 Africa Southern Africa 2012
Benin 8.4 848 Africa Western Africa 2012
Burkina Faso 8.0 1,311 Africa Western Africa 2012
Cape Verde 10.3 51 Africa Western Africa 2012
Ivory Coast 13.6 2,691 Africa Western Africa 2012
Gambia 10.2 182 Africa Western Africa 2012
Ghana 6.1 1,537 Africa Western Africa 2012
Guinea 8.9 1,018 Africa Western Africa 2012
Guinea-Bissau 8.4 140 Africa Western Africa 2012
Liberia 3.2 135 Africa Western Africa 2012
Mali 7.5 1,119 Africa Western Africa 2012
Mauritania 5.0 191 Africa Western Africa 2012
Niger 4.7 803 Africa Western Africa 2012
Nigeria 20.0 33,817 Africa Western Africa 2012
Senegal 2.8 379 Africa Western Africa 2012
Sierra Leone 1.9 113 Africa Western Africa 2012
Togo 10.3 684 Africa Western Africa 2012
Anguilla (UK) 7.5 1 Americas Caribbean 2012
Antigua and Barbuda 11.2 10 Americas Caribbean 2012
Aruba (Netherlands) 3.9 4 Americas Caribbean 2010
Bahamas 29.8 111 Americas Caribbean 2012
Barbados 7.4 21 Americas Caribbean 2012
British Virgin Islands (UK) 8.4 2 Americas Caribbean 2006
Cayman Islands (UK) 14.7 8 Americas Caribbean 2009
Cuba 4.2 477 Americas Caribbean 2012
Dominica 21.1 15 Americas Caribbean 2010
Dominican Republic 22.1 2,268 Americas Caribbean 2012
Grenada 13.3 14 Americas Caribbean 2012
Guadeloupe (France) 7.9 36 Americas Caribbean 2009
Haiti 10.2 1,033 Americas Caribbean 2012
Jamaica 39.3 1,087 Americas Caribbean 2012
Martinique (France) 2.7 11 Americas Caribbean 2009
Montserrat (UK) 20.4 1 Americas Caribbean 2008
Puerto Rico (USA) 26.5 978 Americas Caribbean 2012
Saint Kitts and Nevis 33.6 18 Americas Caribbean 2012
Saint Lucia 21.6 39 Americas Caribbean 2012
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 25.6 28 Americas Caribbean 2012
Trinidad and Tobago 28.3 379 Americas Caribbean 2012
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK) 6.6 2 Americas Caribbean 2009
U.S. Virgin Islands (USA) 52.9 56 Americas Caribbean 2010
Belize 44.7 145 Americas Central America 2012
Costa Rica 8.5 407 Americas Central America 2012
El Salvador 41.2 2,594 Americas Central America 2012
Guatemala 39.9 6,025 Americas Central America 2012
Honduras 90.4 7,172 Americas Central America 2012
Mexico 21.5 26,037+ Americas Central America 2012
Nicaragua 11.3 675 Americas Central America 2012
Panama 17.2 654 Americas Central America 2012
Bermuda (UK) 7.7 5 Americas Northern America 2012
Canada 1.6 543 Americas Northern America 2012
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France) 16.5 1 Americas Northern America 2009
United States 4.8[8] 14,173 Americas Northern America 2012
Argentina 5.5 2,237 Americas South America 2010
Bolivia 12.1 1,270 Americas South America 2012
Brazil 25.2 50,108 Americas South America 2012
Chile 3.1 550 Americas South America 2012
Colombia 30.8 14,670+ Americas South America 2012
Ecuador 12.4 1,924 Americas South America 2012
French Guiana (France) 13.3 30 Americas South America 2009
Guyana 17.0 135 Americas South America 2012
Paraguay 9.7 649 Americas South America 2012
Peru 9.6 2,865 Americas South America 2012
Suriname 6.1 33 Americas South America 2012
Uruguay 7.9 267 Americas South America 2012
Venezuela 53.7 16,072+[9] Americas South America 2012
Kazakhstan 7.8 1,263 Asia Central Asia 2012
Kyrgyzstan 9.1 494 Asia Central Asia 2011
Tajikistan 1.6 126 Asia Central Asia 2011
Turkmenistan 12.8 660 Asia Central Asia 2012
Uzbekistan 3.7 1,060 Asia Central Asia 2012
China 1.0 13,410 Asia Eastern Asia 2010
Hong Kong (China) 0.4 27 Asia Eastern Asia 2012
Macau (China) 0.7 4 Asia Eastern Asia 2010
North Korea 5.2 1,293 Asia Eastern Asia 2012
Japan 0.3 442 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
Mongolia 9.7 266 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
South Korea[note 1][note 2] 0.9 427 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
Taiwan 3.0 686 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
Brunei 2.0 8 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Cambodia 6.5 964 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Indonesia 0.6 1,456 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Laos 5.9 392 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Malaysia 2.3 652 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Myanmar 15.2 8,044 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Philippines 8.8 8,484 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Singapore 0.2 11 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Thailand 5.0 3,307 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2011
Timor-Leste 3.6 39 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2010
Vietnam 3.3 3,037 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Afghanistan 6.5 1,948+ Asia Southern Asia 2012
Bangladesh 2.7 4,169 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Bhutan 1.7 12 Asia Southern Asia 2012
India 3.5 43,355 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Iran 3.9 3,126 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Maldives 3.9 13 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Nepal 2.9 786 Asia Southern Asia 2011
Pakistan 7.7 13,846+ Asia Southern Asia 2012
Sri Lanka 3.4 707 Asia Southern Asia 2011
Armenia 1.8 54 Asia Western Asia 2012
Azerbaijan 2.1 194 Asia Western Asia 2010
Bahrain 0.5 7 Asia Western Asia 2011
Cyprus 2.0 23 Asia Western Asia 2012
Georgia 4.3 187 Asia Western Asia 2010
Iraq 8.0 2,628+ Asia Western Asia 2012
Israel 1.8 134+ Asia Western Asia 2012
Jordan 2.0 133 Asia Western Asia 2011
Kuwait 0.4 12 Asia Western Asia 2012
Lebanon 2.2 95 Asia Western Asia 2010
Palestine 7.4 312+ Asia Western Asia 2012
Oman 1.1 34 Asia Western Asia 2011
Qatar 1.1 23 Asia Western Asia 2012
Saudi Arabia 0.8 234 Asia Western Asia 2012
Syria 2.2 463+ Asia Western Asia 2010
Turkey 2.6 1,866 Asia Western Asia 2011
United Arab Emirates 2.6 235 Asia Western Asia 2012
Yemen 4.8 1,099+ Asia Western Asia 2010
Belarus 5.1 486 Europe Eastern Europe 2010
Bulgaria 1.9 141 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Czech Republic 1.0 105 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Hungary 1.3 132 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Poland 1.2 449 Europe Eastern Europe 2011
Moldova 6.5 229 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Romania 1.7 378 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Russia 9.2 13,120 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Slovakia 1.4 75 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Ukraine 4.3 1,988+ Europe Eastern Europe 2010
Denmark 0.8 47 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Estonia 5.0 65 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Finland 1.6 89 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Greenland (Denmark) 19.4 11 Europe Northern Europe 2009
Iceland 0.3 1 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Ireland 1.2 54 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Latvia 4.7 97 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Lithuania 6.7 202 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Norway 2.2 111 Europe Northern Europe 2011
Sweden 0.7 68 Europe Northern Europe 2012
United Kingdom 1.0 653 Europe Northern Europe 2011
Albania 5.0 157 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Andorra 1.3 1 Europe Southern Europe 2010
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.3 51 Europe Southern Europe 2011
Croatia 1.2 51 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Greece 1.7 184 Europe Southern Europe 2011
Italy 0.9 530 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Kosovo 3.6 64 Europe Southern Europe 2010
Malta 2.8 12 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Montenegro 2.7 17 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Portugal 1.2 122 Europe Southern Europe 2012
San Marino 0.7 0[a] Europe Southern Europe 2012
Serbia 1.2 111 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Slovenia 0.7 14 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Spain 0.8 364 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Macedonia 1.4 30 Europe Southern Europe 2011
Austria 0.9 77 Europe Western Europe 2012
Belgium 1.6 182 Europe Western Europe 2012
France 1.0 665 Europe Western Europe 2012
Germany 0.8 662 Europe Western Europe 2011
Liechtenstein 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe 2012
Luxembourg 0.8 4 Europe Western Europe 2011
Monaco 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe 2008
Netherlands 0.9 145 Europe Western Europe 2012
Switzerland 0.6 46 Europe Western Europe 2011
Australia 1.1 254 Oceania Australasia 2012
New Zealand 0.9 41 Oceania Australasia 2012
Fiji 4.0 35 Oceania Melanesia 2012
New Caledonia (France) 3.3 8 Oceania Melanesia 2009
Papua New Guinea 10.4 713 Oceania Melanesia 2010
Solomon Islands 4.3 24 Oceania Melanesia 2012
Vanuatu 2.9 7 Oceania Melanesia 2012
Guam (USA) 2.5 4 Oceania Micronesia 2011
Kiribati 8.2 8 Oceania Micronesia 2011
Federated States of Micronesia 4.6 5 Oceania Micronesia 2012
Nauru 1.3 0[a] Oceania Micronesia 2012
Palau 3.1 0[a] Oceania Micronesia 2012
Cook Islands 3.1 0[a] Oceania Polynesia 2012
French Polynesia (France) 0.4 1 Oceania Polynesia 2009
Niue 3.6 0[a] Oceania Polynesia 2012
Samoa 3.6 7 Oceania Polynesia 2012
Tonga 1.0 1 Oceania Polynesia 2012
Tuvalu 4.2 0[a] Oceania Polynesia 2012

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

Seems we found something to agree on. Constitutional rights CAN have limits, such as the one you describe. I have NO right to carry my firearm onto the property of someone who doesn't want it there. Key being that a Constitutional right is not a right people are endowed by the Creator, but rather a right granted by the framers of the Constitution, that may be changed if the proper procedures are followed, such as Prohibition.. A horrid mistake, but one accomplished legally. Folks want guns banned?? The follow procedure to change the second amendment, quit trying to sneak your way to your goal.

The Constitution does NOT grant rights! It was written to protect us from government interference with NATURAL rights they believed to be inherent to all. But there is NO language in the Constitution granting a government-approved right.