rush session

[sam_carl]

Originally Posted by Toyz

This is a lose/lose.

You got screwed...
You screwed her worse...

Were it me, I would contact her and give her the going rate for a BP HJTC.

You learned a lesson....
She learned a lesson...

Maybe everyone is better in the end. But threatening violence is never the answer. Just like SL said get the agreement up front. I would NEVER settle for "I'm YMMV but my rate is _____" That's BS.....what can I expect for my money? She agreed to an hour, pushed you out in 20 mins...pay accordingly....a third sounds like a good compromise. $60.

I agree, but she called wanting $100 back. way more I felt what the service was worth. paying her $80 would be reasonable, $60 to make it completely fair. But I should also mention that after I refused her first request of wanting some money back, she went into a rant about how "guys like us" are loser's who can't get laid and just pathetic. And she strictly does this job just for the money, and despises us dearly. I sure the hell wasn't giving anything back to her after that.

If she hates what she does so much, sounds like she got what she deserves.

[shayla84]

Originally Posted by sam_carl

probably hard to intimidate you with you being in a (staff edit; forbidden topic; ztonk) and never know when you'll pull a blade.

(staff edit; Removed discussion related to forbidden topic; ztonk)

You do have one thing right though, if I thought someone bigger then me was gonna try to hurt me, your right I have no issues pulling a blade if I need, lol you know us Natives, you might go home bald, how do you explain that one to the wife lol "see I went and saw a hooker and cause I got dressed to early cause she pissed me of rushing so she got dressed and I scared her in to give all money back, Hey at least I didnt spend our money babe, and the hair will grow back", lol Id pay you to be there for that one, if you had a wife or SO lol

[sam_carl]

Originally Posted by shayla84

(staff edit; Removed discussion related to forbidden topic; ztonk)

You do have one thing right though, if I thought someone bigger then me was gonna try to hurt me, your right I have no issues pulling a blade if I need, lol you know us Natives, you might go home bald, how do you explain that one to the wife lol "see I went and saw a hooker and cause I got dressed to early cause she pissed me of rushing so she got dressed and I scared her in to give all money back, Hey at least I didnt spend our money babe, and the hair will grow back", lol Id pay you to be there for that one, if you had a wife or SO lol

well I'm not likely to take advice from a busted prostitute who can't keep a car running and has "travel problems".

yeah, go ahead and pull a knife on someone twice your size. you might get a few cuts in, but unless you go straight for the jugular, you'll likely end up in a grave.

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by sam_carl

well I'm not likely to take advice from a busted prostitute who can't keep a car running and has "travel problems".

yeah, go ahead and pull a knife on someone twice your size. you might get a few cuts in, but unless you go straight for the jugular, you'll likely end up in a grave.

V
!!!CATFIGHT!!!!

[Samcro84]

One of these days one of you BP users gonna get your ass whipped or worse. A lot of BP girls have guys or pimps or thugs protecting them. There is a girl in Houston you stay away from cause she has two black guys that protect her, yet she still advertises. Heard from a guy that did not want to pay, well he paid when guy followed him to car.

[sam_carl]

Originally Posted by travelerman

One of these days one of you BP users gonna get your ass whipped or worse. A lot of BP girls have guys or pimps or thugs protecting them. There is a girl in Houston you stay away from cause she has two black guys that protect her, yet she still advertises. Heard from a guy that did not want to pay, well he paid when guy followed him to car.

I agree and disagree. The escort section is mostly trash. Lots of shady girls on it. But Austin has a half way decent fbsm group of girls that post ads in the sensual massage page. I regularly see a girl I pay $220 for the hour and find her very worth it. Be chit chat a lot and have a very satisfying hour without sex. And other girls at a small office that post on there as well are worth the full$160 I pay them.

This girl I recently saw has a lesson to learn about service.

[shayla84]

You sir are a piece of work and she shoulda just not opened her door, youll be lucky to see any girls here so have fun, maybe you should stick to those two girls you sound like someone I wouldnt want to deal with at all. And you dont know me so talk on you sound stupid babe.

[Mr Peabody]

Daymn Shayla,
You're so sexy when your angry!!

Any chance you still have videos from your fighting matches?

Respectfully, Mr. Peabody.

[irishlad]

Man, what you did was out of line and disproportionate. Give her a deserved bad review, never see her again and move on.

Implied threats of violence maybe make sense in facing off against some thug who comes out of the other room demanding money for no service offered, but are inexcusable vs. a solitary women for what amounts to being dissatisfied with the quality of service.

You need to understand and admit this to yourself or quit hobbying because if this is going to be your MO going forward, someone is going to get hurt. Better you than some dumb girl guilty of mediocre performance in my opinion.

[ztonk]

OK, folks, let's keep the discussion civil and no more personal attacks, insults, etc. This has been a very interesting discussion but if it continues to veer into forbidden territory, we will close it.

ztonk
AustinModStaff

[Whispers]

I can understand why some would say you were threatening her.... The problem with what we say is often the way others hear it....not just the way we say it.....

One thing I always say about the word "BUT".... Ignore EVERYTHING SAID IMMEDIATELY BEFORE IT...

"I'm sorry but you were an ass" = ...."You were an Ass"

"I'm usually not a violent man, but that 20 min handjob was bullshit" =


"that 20 min handjob was bullshit" in a low but powerful voice

With or without the statement about what you are not... It seems rather intimidating. Especially in light of leaving and then returning.

Lots of folks here are going to bash you..... In light of the other aspects of your story, I would have been concerned someone was trying to set me up.... separating me from my clothes, positioning me in a certain manner etc....

I think you had a valid right to be upset as well as to expect some compensation IF...

she was unwilling to make things right....

you DID go through with the session and you DID leave without voicing your concern.... You do not seem to know if a 2nd pop would have been available had you stayed or what she may have done had you entered when invited back in.

Maybe she would have made it right.....

Too often people here forget a very important aspect of these transactional relationships...

SHE was the professional.... SHE chose to refund the money.... Maybe she doesn't belong in this business but chastising him or comments regarding self warnings is not appropriate.

Why is the benefit of the doubt always with the "whore"? Yes. In cases like this I will use the word.... Had this been Firestone and after spending $180 on a brake job you left to decide afterwards that you felt ripped off and returned to make the same comment sand the person behind the counter refunded your money who would chastise you there? I doubt you would get anything more than attaboys, fist bumps and high fives....

Too many people here try to glamorize what is really going on and jump to the defense of a lady when in actuality they are siding with a whore. Look at the nature of this encounter folks... Set aside the emotions and the fact that she is female and your chivalrous attitudes and think for a moment.... This was a whore going through the motions and very likely working in conjunction with someone else and it may have went very wrong in a different way....

SHE is professional that is in business and makes her own choices. Let her/them run their business the way they see fit..... You guys doing this macho bravado posturing are the dumb fucks..... They lay on their backs and get YOUR money... You pay for it because you need or want it... Not smart enough to get it some other way....If you WERE smart enough than you are not here championing them in my opinion...... Let her/ them have their profession with the good and bad that comes with it. It was her/their choice.

Here.... SHE chose to set the stage and afterwards SHE chose to give him back his money..... The calls afterwards were probably prompted by the pimp that was too busy doing something else to rifle his wallet while it was out of site and be there to look out for her afterwards....

I have to wonder if you are all simply blind....

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by shayla84

You sir are a piece of work and she shoulda just not opened her door, youll be lucky to see any girls here so have fun, maybe you should stick to those two girls you sound like someone I wouldnt want to deal with at all. And you dont know me so talk on you sound stupid babe.

Really Shayla?... You WISH it was true that he will have problems seeing girls but in reality..... cash in the pocket gets a man laid when he wants to.... Not every girl... but there is no shortage of ladies to see that never read any of this....

In regards to telling others they sound stupid..... you really should sit down with someone educated that you trust to be honest with you and have them analyze your own posts sometime....

[Centaur]

Originally Posted by Whispers

chastising him or comments regarding self warnings is not appropriate.

Where is that in the board guidelines? I missed where OPs are immune to criticism.

Originally Posted by Whispers

Too many people here try to glamorize what is really going on and jump to the defense of a lady when in actuality they are siding with a whore.

Criticizing someone's actions doesn't equal siding with the other party. Call her whatever you want, it's makes zero difference to the fact that he passed up every opportunity to stand up for himself civilly and then blew his top after the fact. I don't care if he was overcharged for tires or a HJ and I don't care who he let screw him over. Life is not the movie Falling Down. He handled this badly at every turn.

Originally Posted by Whispers

Look at the nature of this encounter folks... Set aside the emotions and the fact that she is female and your chivalrous attitudes and think for a moment.... This was a whore going through the motions and very likely working in conjunction with someone else and it may have went very wrong in a different way....

Yeah, no...arguing with the motives of critics instead of their actual criticisms is indicative of a weak or no-existent counter-argument. In rhetoric they call it the ad hominem fallacy. No one here said the provider was in the right. Many, myself included, noted that she wasn't. Her actions still do not justify his, not matter what she is, what she sells or how she sells it.

Originally Posted by Whispers

The calls afterwards were probably prompted by the pimp that was too busy doing something else to rifle his wallet while it was out of site and be there to look out for her afterwards....

You base that supposition on what exactly? Where was this mysterious pimp during the initial confrontation?

[Ts AmberRose]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Why is the benefit of the doubt always with the "whore"?

Too many people here try to glamorize what is really going on and jump to the defense of a lady when in actuality they are siding with a whore.

I do have to say that i take offense to the term its derogatory and demeaning....

[Listener]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I can understand why some would say you were threatening her.... The problem with what we say is often the way others hear it....not just the way we say it.....

One thing I always say about the word "BUT".... Ignore EVERYTHING SAID IMMEDIATELY BEFORE IT...

"I'm sorry but you were an ass" = ...."You were an Ass"

"I'm usually not a violent man, but that 20 min handjob was bullshit" =


"that 20 min handjob was bullshit" in a low but powerful voice

With or without the statement about what you are not... It seems rather intimidating. Especially in light of leaving and then returning.

Lots of folks here are going to bash you..... In light of the other aspects of your story, I would have been concerned someone was trying to set me up.... separating me from my clothes, positioning me in a certain manner etc....

I think you had a valid right to be upset as well as to expect some compensation IF...

she was unwilling to make things right....

you DID go through with the session and you DID leave without voicing your concern.... You do not seem to know if a 2nd pop would have been available had you stayed or what she may have done had you entered when invited back in.

Maybe she would have made it right.....

Too often people here forget a very important aspect of these transactional relationships...

SHE was the professional.... SHE chose to refund the money.... Maybe she doesn't belong in this business but chastising him or comments regarding self warnings is not appropriate.

Why is the benefit of the doubt always with the "whore"? Yes. In cases like this I will use the word.... Had this been Firestone and after spending $180 on a brake job you left to decide afterwards that you felt ripped off and returned to make the same comment sand the person behind the counter refunded your money who would chastise you there? I doubt you would get anything more than attaboys, fist bumps and high fives....

Too many people here try to glamorize what is really going on and jump to the defense of a lady when in actuality they are siding with a whore. Look at the nature of this encounter folks... Set aside the emotions and the fact that she is female and your chivalrous attitudes and think for a moment.... This was a whore going through the motions and very likely working in conjunction with someone else and it may have went very wrong in a different way....

SHE is professional that is in business and makes her own choices. Let her/them run their business the way they see fit..... You guys doing this macho bravado posturing are the dumb fucks..... They lay on their backs and get YOUR money... You pay for it because you need or want it... Not smart enough to get it some other way....If you WERE smart enough than you are not here championing them in my opinion...... Let her/ them have their profession with the good and bad that comes with it. It was her/their choice.

Here.... SHE chose to set the stage and afterwards SHE chose to give him back his money..... The calls afterwards were probably prompted by the pimp that was too busy doing something else to rifle his wallet while it was out of site and be there to look out for her afterwards....

I have to wonder if you are all simply blind....

Is this the same Whispers who only a few months ago led a holy crusade against a certain mod for coercing extra time and discounted sessions from providers through intimidation and the implied threat of consequences for not caving in?

In that thread where it served your purpose you referred to the victims as young ladies as opposed to whores.

As the mighty defender you also portrayed them as naive innocents being intimidated by the big bad mod rather than "professional providers" who made their own choices regarding giving in to the implied threat.

Me thinks you're just playing the devil's advocate here just for the fuck of it