Just how "lawless" is Obama?

[LordBeaverbrook]

Let's see, it's bad and "lawless" if Obama does the same or similar things that Republicans have done as much or more before him? Seems like a double standard to me, but I guess I need a conservative explanation to understand it properly.

Conservatives howl with outrage at Obama’s delay in enforcement of the Affordable Care Act’s employer mandate for a single year yet Mitt Romney heralded plans, on day one of the Romney administration, to grant waivers from Obamacare to all 50 states. I doubt they would think he was lawless.

Obama extended sign-up for the PPACA without penalty for those who had already started the process until Mid-April. Another "lawless" move? Doesn't seem so to me. In May of 2006, just days before the end of open enrollment, President Bush took administrative action towaive “penalty fees for very low-income seniors and people with disabilities who sign up late” and allowed “the same impoverished beneficiaries to sign up for Medicare drug coverage until Dec. 31.” “In other words, you can apply after May 15th without penalty,” Bush told seniors during an event in Florida. “And that’s important for low-income seniors to understand.” Like Obamacare, the launch of President George W. Bush’s prescription benefit plan was hampered by technical glitches, setbacks, and mass confusion. As the May 15 deadline for enrollment loomed, a bipartisan group of lawmakers advocacy organizations, and a surprising number of newspaper editorials, urged the administration to extend the enrollment period and protect seniors from the penalties associated with late enrollment.

Can the president, say, announce that he would no longer prosecute marijuana or gun-possession crimes? Brett Kavanaugh, a George W. Bush appointee on the federal appeals court in the District of Columbia, wrote recently that the president “has clear constitutional authority to exercise prosecutorial discretion to decline” to bring such cases. Kavanaugh’s position underscores the relative modesty of the Obama administration’s supposedly lawless moves on mandatory minimums and deportations.

Is this the same "lawless" Obama Administration that the House has just not impeached yet and has issued fewer executive orders in the same period of time than Bush did (and most other Presidents in history)? The same Obama that has eschewed Cheney and Bush's Unitary Executive theory and not pursued torture by executive fiat? How about the President that got us out of one war rather than getting us into two?

Even with the President’s recess appointments, Obama has used this constitutional power more sparingly than recent predecessors; President Clinton made 139 recess appointments, President Bush 171 and Obama so far only 32.

It is double standards and political theater or "lawlessness"? You tell me.

[gnadfly]

Link? What low income penalty are you talking about? As I've said before, I've signed up both my parents for Plan D insurance and didn't run into much of a problem.

Your Bush adviser example doesn't carry much weight. Any policeman, sheriff, DA, ...on up the line has some type of discretion on who they are going to arrest, charge, and prosecute. It's when you systematically don't enforce the law that you run into trouble. He is the chief law enforcement officer in the country, not the chief enforcer of the laws that are politically convenient.

BTW, Holder has already decided that the banks can take the drug money from the state marijuana dispensaries. Yes, they suspended some of the drug laundering laws or made it a lower priority.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/02/1...aundering.html

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by LordBeaverbrook

Let's see, it's bad and "lawless" if Obama does the same or similar things that Republicans have done as much or more before him? Seems like a double standard to me, but I guess I need a conservative explanation to understand it properly.

Conservatives howl with outrage at Obama’s delay in enforcement of the Affordable Care Act’s employer mandate for a single year yet Mitt Romney heralded plans, on day one of the Romney administration, to grant waivers from Obamacare to all 50 states. I doubt they would think he was lawless.

Obama extended sign-up for the PPACA without penalty for those who had already started the process until Mid-April. Another "lawless" move? Doesn't seem so to me. In May of 2006, just days before the end of open enrollment, President Bush took administrative action towaive “penalty fees for very low-income seniors and people with disabilities who sign up late” and allowed “the same impoverished beneficiaries to sign up for Medicare drug coverage until Dec. 31.” “In other words, you can apply after May 15th without penalty,” Bush told seniors during an event in Florida. “And that’s important for low-income seniors to understand.” Like Obamacare, the launch of President George W. Bush’s prescription benefit plan was hampered by technical glitches, setbacks, and mass confusion. As the May 15 deadline for enrollment loomed, a bipartisan group of lawmakers advocacy organizations, and a surprising number of newspaper editorials, urged the administration to extend the enrollment period and protect seniors from the penalties associated with late enrollment.

Can the president, say, announce that he would no longer prosecute marijuana or gun-possession crimes? Brett Kavanaugh, a George W. Bush appointee on the federal appeals court in the District of Columbia, wrote recently that the president “has clear constitutional authority to exercise prosecutorial discretion to decline” to bring such cases. Kavanaugh’s position underscores the relative modesty of the Obama administration’s supposedly lawless moves on mandatory minimums and deportations.

Is this the same "lawless" Obama Administration that the House has just not impeached yet and has issued fewer executive orders in the same period of time than Bush did (and most other Presidents in history)? The same Obama that has eschewed Cheney and Bush's Unitary Executive theory and not pursued torture by executive fiat? How about the President that got us out of one war rather than getting us into two?

Even with the President’s recess appointments, Obama has used this constitutional power more sparingly than recent predecessors; President Clinton made 139 recess appointments, President Bush 171 and Obama so far only 32.

It is double standards and political theater or "lawlessness"? You tell me.

You have the stupidest handle on ECCIE! ... other than your previous handle.

Your thread sucks too...

[CuteOldGuy]

I think LordBieberdick is a fine handle. He also thinks he is smarter than he really is by raising the old, tired and worn out argument that since Bush got away with lies and crimes, we must allow Obama to get away with lies and crimes. Really, really stupid, and regularly addressed here because other Obamatons use that argument all the time. My position is that we let NO elected official get away with lies and crimes. Do you have a problem with that, LordBieberdick?

[Yssup Rider]

You dipshits can't handle the truth.

Blame it on cognitive reasoning.

Blame it on the communist conspiracy.

Blame it on the educational system.

Blame it on the media.

Suck a weenie!

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I think LordBieberdick is a fine handle. He also thinks he is smarter than he really is by raising the old, tired and worn out argument that since Bush got away with lies and crimes, we must allow Obama to get away with lies and crimes. Really, really stupid, and regularly addressed here because other Obamatons use that argument all the time. My position is that we let NO elected official get away with lies and crimes. Do you have a problem with that, LordBieberdick?

It is a wonder you were a lawyer and are unable to understand threads on a hooker board. Time to change your depends call the nurse.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I think LordBieberdick is a fine handle. He also thinks he is smarter than he really is by raising the old, tired and worn out argument that since Bush got away with lies and crimes, we must allow Obama to get away with lies and crimes. Really, really stupid, and regularly addressed here because other Obamatons use that argument all the time. My position is that we let NO elected official get away with lies and crimes. Do you have a problem with that, LordBieberdick?

the children can really come up with some brilliant names can't they?? ... it took a law degree for that one to baffle the audience with his education

[CuteOldGuy]

Sorry if I offended your Obamatonic sensitivities by coming out against lying politicians, CBJ7.

[Yssup Rider]

Disbarred.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Sorry if I offended your Obamatonic sensitivities by coming out against lying politicians, CBJ7.

The only thing that is really offensive is your inability to comprehend a thread or comment.

[LordBeaverbrook]

Originally Posted by CJ7

the children can really come up with some brilliant names can't they?? ... it took a law degree for that one to baffle the audience with his education

Yeah, it's predictable. They have been conditioned well. When they can't figure a handle out even when you give them clues in the sig so they threaten outing and say everything is stupid. Really gets under my skin - not

It would be mildly amusing if it weren't just so pathetic and a little bit sad.

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by LordBeaverbrook

Let's see, it's bad and "lawless" if Obama does the same or similar things that Republicans have done as much or more before him? Seems like a double standard to me, but I guess I need a conservative explanation to understand it properly.

Conservatives howl with outrage at Obama’s delay in enforcement of the Affordable Care Act’s employer mandate for a single year yet Mitt Romney heralded plans, on day one of the Romney administration, to grant waivers from Obamacare to all 50 states. I doubt they would think he was lawless.

Obama extended sign-up for the PPACA without penalty for those who had already started the process until Mid-April. Another "lawless" move? Doesn't seem so to me. In May of 2006, just days before the end of open enrollment, President Bush took administrative action towaive “penalty fees for very low-income seniors and people with disabilities who sign up late” and allowed “the same impoverished beneficiaries to sign up for Medicare drug coverage until Dec. 31.” “In other words, you can apply after May 15th without penalty,” Bush told seniors during an event in Florida. “And that’s important for low-income seniors to understand.” Like Obamacare, the launch of President George W. Bush’s prescription benefit plan was hampered by technical glitches, setbacks, and mass confusion. As the May 15 deadline for enrollment loomed, a bipartisan group of lawmakers advocacy organizations, and a surprising number of newspaper editorials, urged the administration to extend the enrollment period and protect seniors from the penalties associated with late enrollment.

Can the president, say, announce that he would no longer prosecute marijuana or gun-possession crimes? Brett Kavanaugh, a George W. Bush appointee on the federal appeals court in the District of Columbia, wrote recently that the president “has clear constitutional authority to exercise prosecutorial discretion to decline” to bring such cases. Kavanaugh’s position underscores the relative modesty of the Obama administration’s supposedly lawless moves on mandatory minimums and deportations.

Is this the same "lawless" Obama Administration that the House has just not impeached yet and has issued fewer executive orders in the same period of time than Bush did (and most other Presidents in history)? The same Obama that has eschewed Cheney and Bush's Unitary Executive theory and not pursued torture by executive fiat? How about the President that got us out of one war rather than getting us into two?

Even with the President’s recess appointments, Obama has used this constitutional power more sparingly than recent predecessors; President Clinton made 139 recess appointments, President Bush 171 and Obama so far only 32.

It is double standards and political theater or "lawlessness"? You tell me.

First LB is comparing apples and oranges. If Mitt wanted to extent the deadline of Obamacare to forever while waiting for the repeal by congress I can see that as being legal and ethical. The same can be said for a CIC responding to a national security threat before Congress has a chance to react. What Obama has done has been to "cherry pick" his people and has made it a habit to postpone 39 different times the start of Obamacare for some people. What Romney was going to do with treat everyone the same equally which is in accordance with the Constitution. Obama is picking winners and loser.

Are you really going to try to make the case that the drug plan for Bush was just as badly rolled out as Obamacare? Three years and billions of dollars and what did we get? A little clown car full of clowns. There is no comparison.

Do you know how many appointments that the senate bottled up when Bush was president? 181 judgeships, boards, and federal prosecutors that were given over to Obama to fill. It is a wonder that Bush didn't do more since Harry Reid would not allow his nominees to come up for a vote. Obama had clear sailing his first two years in office and got everything he wanted. He made illegal recess appointments after the republicans would not allow the congress to recess according to the rules.

[CuteOldGuy]

This is funny. LordBieberdick talks about his handle, but avoids defending his ridiculous position that since Bush got away with shit, we must let Obama get away with shit. Have at it, Bieberboy!

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

This is funny. LordBieberdick talks about his handle, but avoids defending his ridiculous position that since Bush got away with shit, we must let Obama get away with shit. Have at it, Bieberboy!

it doesn't have a thing to do with getting away with shit by either president...

the rub comes in when the rightwing partisan hacks pat Bush on the ass for everything under the sun, and then go ape shit crazy telling lies when Obama doesn't do a damn thing ... take the Russian bullshit for instance

Bush didn't do jack shit about Georgia ... GOOD BUSHIE !!

Obie takes a passive stance ( as he damn well should) and here we go ... BAD OBAMA ...POOTIN HERO GOOD


fuck those wormy communist cocksuckers ... I hope NSA is taking American communist names and notes ...


are we clear or do you have some stupid questions ?

[CuteOldGuy]

So, CBJ7. You approve of NSA spying on Americans, and support the repeal of the 4th Amendment. Thank you for your input.