A matter of rates--

[Grace Preston]

Not necessarily, T-- any of my regulars who have seen me at a discount can tell you, I'm the same at $125 as I am at $225. It is called... being a professional!! I've always been of the mind that like any other business, the "product" should be the same regardless of coupons or discounts.

[Tony Patella]

Originally Posted by GracePreston

Not necessarily, T-- any of my regulars who have seen me at a discount can tell you, I'm the same at $125 as I am at $225. It is called... being a professional!!

Amen to that!

[DallasRain]

amen!

[Grace Preston]

Well--

I must say it has been an interesting experiment thus far. The first week was rather akin to "flavor of the month" syndrome. I had to quickly adjust my normal way of keeping track of things and found myself even having to decline appointments because I was already booked (I refuse to go high volume, regardless of rate-- I'd rather maintain my enthusiasm).

But, after the initial fervor-- it slowed... and really makes me question whether rates really do make a difference or not. I have no intentions of raising them back for now-- I've garnered a few new regulars... but I have to admit-- I've done this many times in the past and it really does seem to disprove the theory that lowered rates=increased business.

[DallasRain]

yea I thin k sometimes lower rates "discourage" business from coming my way......

[LovingKayla]

After all the time I've spent studying this exact thing, let me tell you how it works in the real world.


There are gents at every single price level. You've got your 600 and up guys, 400-500 guys, 250-350 guys, the 200 crowd, and then the below 200 crowd. You wind up with a great deal of mean, nasty, dirty, smelly and disease in the under 200 crowd. Usually 150 and down is the area you want to avoid at all costs. (Yes I am aware the working man can usually only afford below 200 but he is also dealing with a great risk of disease at that level.)

As the economy changes, so do the guys at each level. When it gets harder, the higher price guys will jump down a level. In effect, you never really run out of clients. They just shift themselves to the rate they are comfortable with.

When a provider raises her rates, she puts herself in the new level with lots of new clients that will be interested in seeing the new girl (most 250 and up guys won't even look at you if you cost less because they know that's where most of the disease resides.) When you lower your rates, you are in effect, telling everyone, you are not worth the rate you were charging because either, you have no work because you are not good enough to compete at the level you were trying to play on, have burned too many bridges or are pretty terrible and therefore have not retained any regulars. I don't make up the rules of promotion. That's simply how it is in the real world.

It took a few years to find the rate that works best for me. I will not go lower than a certain amount... ever. I found that the men at my level are kind and generous, and don't cross any lines that could cause trouble. But that's just me. However, I can't imagine it works differently outside my bubble, since my bubble went through all of this for years. Benefit from my mistakes and knowledge if you have the ability.... Sometimes you just have to go through it, and I understand... It's your life and stress.

People say, oh if you raise your rate you'll lose clients. That's only half true. You lose some that can only exist at the level you were occupying previously
(unless they save their pennies). However, you will gain an entirely new group of clients at your new level that MORE than compensates for any you "lose". I have also found, competition at a certain level becomes obsolete. If you are amazing at your job and no one can touch your skill, you will be successful. It's that simple. If you are only hohum, then you will still see a bunch of new guys at that level, but you will not retain any of them. Then, theoretically, you could raise your rate again and go through all the guys at that level. People think the more it costs, the better it is. It's just a human response to cost (except insurance... Insurance is bullshit at any level.)

[mayday]

Grace, you do whats best for you. I personally would rather have a friend/ provider who treats me well. a great rate is only part of the deal, a hug, sensual kissing, some cuddling, not to mention all of the other goodies that makes a man feel appreciated. the best providers make me feel like they would really like to see me again. there was one young lady who bathed her clients after the fun was over. what a treat

[TinMan]

I can appreciate how unpredictable this can be, just thinking about my own behavior.

Generally, if I see a lady pushing a $150 rate, I strike her off my list as being high volume. But, I can think of a few instances where I've run into a lady that, for whatever reason, is willing to offer me a discounted price in that vicinity, and I don't flinch. Usually, she's convenient to me such that I can swing by in the middle of the day or on my way home from work, and I become a repeat visitor.

Maybe it does make sense after awhile to raise your rate back to the old level, while honoring the lower rate with existing clients and select newbies you meet and want to see again.

Don't know what the right answer is, but I'm glad you're sharing the information here. It's an interesting discussion for the economic geeks among us.

[Grace Preston]

I have to disagree with some of your assessment, Kayla.

Over the course of the years-- I've played with my rates quite a bit. At my current rate, which would put me in your "Under 150" category-- I find I see a LOT of nice, sweet, clean gents who are just thrilled that a lady with a great reputation is within their reach. The most unpleasantness I've found in this hobby was when I toyed with a rate of $250 for a bit. A lot of rude requests, general rudeness.. and for the first time in my hobby life, multiple requests for BBFS (which were declined). Money does not equal class... at least, it certainly hasn't in my experience.

The biggest thing I do get more of at my lower rates are requests from newbies... which is a problem for me because I am very risk averse. I cannot risk anything happening right now that would jeopardize my future civilian career. This has been the biggest problem.

Tin Man-- I do understand your concern in the regards to volume at a certain price point. But I can point to more than one lady in the $300 plus range that easily sees twice what I would see in a day. Rate does not equal volume... and in my case, I'm a fiscally responsible lady of pleasure, so I do not have to make a lot of money to maintain my lifestyle. My rates are more to maintain a sense of steady business as opposed to revolving door status.

[TinMan]

I realize that, Grace. I was just pointing out the inconsistency in my own thinking regarding price vs. volume. Just trying to give y'all some insight into one client's psychology when it comes to this subject.

[Guest110416]

IMO, your best bet is to work what is best for you and the clients you want to see. Donation price is just to number to some people, but generally speaking, your service level, regardless of donation price is the key, and given a fantastic service level together with good TCB skills and give a fair price to hobbyists as well as to yourself, then you will have no problems getting new clients by the reviews you receive and maintaining repeat clientele because of your successful overall provider demeanor. I cannot tell you how many times the service level has been better by leaps and bounds from providers who are $225 per hour or less compared to the ladies who are higher priced, but not at the high dollar hottie area yet (500+/hr).

Looking at the providers here in the Dallas area alone (600+), you will see that less than 1/10 of those ladies are placing ads in the ad forums. IMO, one of the reasons for that is could be that many continue to see almost all 1st time clients, get seldom repeats, and more than likely if they do, it is because they posted another ad with a special she is running. Price may be a determining factor for some guys, but if it is the ONLY factor, then you do not want him a client anyway.

To be able to take care of your clients in a way that you do not have to advertise yourself speaks for itself in greater volumes than a provider who puts an ad up every other day or a few times a week. Awesome reviews and hobbyists referring you to other hobbyists is the best standard in advertising for providers.

[Cyclone1996]

Since you're trying to increase the volume of your regulars, reducing your rate makes sense. Your regulars know who you are and the quality you bring, most of their opinion won't change just because your rate is lowered. Good-luck!!

[phildo]

I think whales should charge less except for the guys that like that sort of thing, and hot chicks should charge more except for nice guys and a few old guys that don't streak their sheets or smell too bad, and hey they won't have to work all that hard anyway and I think that between 10 AM and 1 PM on days that end in Y but only in months that end in R except for leap year all wimmin should drop their rates 60% but only if they aren't already booked with a regular who will really show up at a higher rate because he thinks he's "clicking". Otherwise ALL wimmin are advised that pussy at any price is still just pussy and companionship and conversation only are worth any sort of remuneration. Guys who write long winded pretentious novellas about how they see hooker economics should be forced to masturbate solo and pay the session fee anyway, be upcharged according to the quantity of bovine excrement in their meanderings about how to run a business selling pussy and generally chastised in public for being gas bags.

It's YOUR pussy, do what you want with it, charge what you want for it. The guys who want to come see you, will, the guys who don't, won't.

Find and develop your niche and sell into it with passion. Everything else is bullshit.

Miss me?

[VIP Mya Michelle]

Originally Posted by LovingKayla

After all the time I've spent studying this exact thing, let me tell you how it works in the real world.


There are gents at every single price level. You've got your 600 and up guys, 400-500 guys, 250-350 guys, the 200 crowd, and then the below 200 crowd. You wind up with a great deal of mean, nasty, dirty, smelly and disease in the under 200 crowd. Usually 150 and down is the area you want to avoid at all costs. (Yes I am aware the working man can usually only afford below 200 but he is also dealing with a great risk of disease at that level.)

As the economy changes, so do the guys at each level. When it gets harder, the higher price guys will jump down a level. In effect, you never really run out of clients. They just shift themselves to the rate they are comfortable with.

When a provider raises her rates, she puts herself in the new level with lots of new clients that will be interested in seeing the new girl (most 250 and up guys won't even look at you if you cost less because they know that's where most of the disease resides.) When you lower your rates, you are in effect, telling everyone, you are not worth the rate you were charging because either, you have no work because you are not good enough to compete at the level you were trying to play on, have burned too many bridges or are pretty terrible and therefore have not retained any regulars. I don't make up the rules of promotion. That's simply how it is in the real world.

It took a few years to find the rate that works best for me. I will not go lower than a certain amount... ever. I found that the men at my level are kind and generous, and don't cross any lines that could cause trouble. But that's just me. However, I can't imagine it works differently outside my bubble, since my bubble went through all of this for years. Benefit from my mistakes and knowledge if you have the ability.... Sometimes you just have to go through it, and I understand... It's your life and stress.

People say, oh if you raise your rate you'll lose clients. That's only half true. You lose some that can only exist at the level you were occupying previously
(unless they save their pennies). However, you will gain an entirely new group of clients at your new level that MORE than compensates for any you "lose". I have also found, competition at a certain level becomes obsolete. If you are amazing at your job and no one can touch your skill, you will be successful. It's that simple. If you are only hohum, then you will still see a bunch of new guys at that level, but you will not retain any of them. Then, theoretically, you could raise your rate again and go through all the guys at that level. People think the more it costs, the better it is. It's just a human response to cost (except insurance... Insurance is bullshit at any level.)

I liked this post alot and strongly aggree

[TinMan]

Originally Posted by Cyclone1996

Since you're trying to increase the volume of your regulars, reducing your rate makes sense. Your regulars know who you are and the quality you bring, most of their opinion won't change just because your rate is lowered. Good-luck!!

I think that's the key. I don't go looking for the low rate, but if I've met the woman and like her, and she offers me the lower "repeat fare", then I'm more likely to see her repeatedly if the discount is meaningful (and she's convenient). Then my preconceived notion of low rate=high volume goes out the window.