Not All Money is Good Money

[Eva Damita]

Thank you Holly . And Heinz, thanks for wrapping it up and keeping it short and sweet -great summarization. Although some gents literally just want a c-u-n-t , these gents are not usually compatible with me. Those seeking a more fruitful experience I am most compatible with.

[Charlotte Breeze]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

Actually the optimal thing to do besides not give the begging bitch a dime is alert all the other guys here in her area so they also know what to expect if they walk down the primrose path to seeing her and the results (her begging for more cash after the fact/act). And if one is stupid enough to "loan" her money then seriously. That idiot needs to be culled from the hobby.

You've never once needed help? With anything?

We are all just a step away from each other.

[Charlotte Breeze]

Thank you pretty lady, you are too sweet <3

Originally Posted by Eva Damita

My new Woman Crush is officially Charlotte, heheheh ( ok I have a couple on my list, lilminx, BSB, YummyMarie...)

But yes, I've not ever asked for a loan. I don't know a provider who has openly shared that she has, either. And let's be honest, its not just providers asking for loans, and if one does, it won't be the first time a person asks for a loan nor the last. People get loans from others all the time and never pay them back - it's not a provider trait strictly. I cannot (ok I can but that'd be silly) come on the board complaining on how guys are asking for me to ask for a smaller tip, but all I do is decline them,refer them to someone more compatible, and move on. I have not had this issue often at all, however, being that I tend to attract non hagglers...

...what I'm saying is if you're running into a slew of providers asking for loans relentlessly, what kind of ladies are you tending to select? If it's a pattern, try research and seeding through helps. Get a taste for a provider's personality OFF board. I understand why Blad's frustrated, especially if she's @ VIP rates asking for loans - that is poor financial management. But as I said, just as we have a target market to sieve out the hagglers and other distasteful clientele, a gent can too have a simple strategy to attract a certain "target" group of providers. I'm a strong believer in that one teaches others how to treat them. i.e : Am I dressing to attract a good man to marry, or am I dressing to be the temporary "bang bang".

Kisses, again, great thread.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by heinz5710

Does that go the other way around? What about the ladies that you see, have a pleasant time with, and you pay their rate. Then they message you the next week asking when you will see them again. Even worse, they give you some sob story that they are short a few dollars and can you help them out even though you aren't interested in a session right now. They swear they will pay you back in 'between the sheets time.

And this will be the subject of my next blog post. It is NEVER ok to contact a client for a few dollars here and there or hassle them to come and see you let alone treat a kind a deserving gent like an ATM. I would send out personalized emails to clients if I had new pictures with a copy of the new picture attached or if I was traveling to a certain area to let them know I’d be in town. Other than that, I never called a client unless he called me. And I had plenty of clients that would call or text just to chit chat. I had no problem with that being that I enjoyed 99.99% of my clients and it’s just plain ole good customer service as well as caring about your fellow human being.

Originally Posted by heinz5710

If you are foolish enough or rich enough or good hearted enough and lend them some money they never seem to want to give you some extra time paid for in advance. In my day, if I helped a lady out, I wouldn't think of it as a loan. I considered it a gift.

I agree, when I “lend” money I don’t expect it back. There are a few people that I’ve lent money to that pay it back, but if they don’t, I don’t sweat it.

Originally Posted by heinz5710

Rarely have I found an escort that didn't have money as their number 1 priority.

You have to realize this is a business and it is how the lady earns her living. I’m a firm believer in a second income stream, but her day in and day out bills are paid by being a working girl. But there is no excuse for making someone feel like they are just a dollar sign. It’s mean and bad business.

Originally Posted by heinz5710

Even worse, these dark princesses think they would make great sugar babes and offer you a monthly price for unlimited services when they know they will never spend any more time with you then the hourly rate you paid for in advance. In other words, they aren't your friend.

I’ve known several ladies, including myself that have had arrangements. I treated my benefactor with the genuine caring and affection that I felt for him. Frankly I don’t know how one could enter into let alone maintain such an arrangement otherwise. Besides, to do otherwise is just plain ungrateful.

Originally Posted by heinz5710

Don't get me wrong. Most ladies have some sort of ethics and they give you a great GFE when you are with them. It is almost as if the money wasn't there. Both enjoyed the process. I also have been given extra time by many ladies as they weren't watching the clock. They received the agreed upon fee and enjoyed being with me. Those beautiful princesses have enriched my life.

This is what I always tried to do. When I told a lifelong friend of mine about Olivia Howard at first she was like WHAT!!! But she came to realize that a significant portion of my job, or really it is better described as a calling, was being a healer of sorts. It wasn't mine to figure out why my gentlemen callers were seeking when they came to see me, but rather what I could do to fill their needs. And yes, needs were plural for a great many of them.

Originally Posted by heinz5710

The dark princesses become a nuisance. "Oh please come see me again!" "I've done more for you than your wife ever did!" (True only in between the sheets activity)

Who would even be stupid enough to say that! It’s none of some hooker’s, or anyone for that matter, business what kind of relationship you have with your wife.

Originally Posted by heinz5710

Even though you had a pleasant time or two with the dark lady, the money is all that she is after. They won't give you an hour for lunch unless the hourly rate is given.

I absolutely never understood this. I had lunch with my clients all the time or sometimes go out for drinks or dinner. Why not if we were having a good time?!

Originally Posted by heinz5710

For me, it often took a bit of meanness just to get them to leave me alone. Mean was never my style.

I would hope the dark princess would be the underwhelming minority of the people you saw. Because I can tell you, the clients I’m talking about here are the underwhelming minority of clients.

Originally Posted by heinz5710

I loved the lady who treated me as a man. Age and physical problems have retired me from the business. I wasn't just another John. I was a gentlemen.

THIS is exactly what I strived for. I didn't have a ton of clients, but I had a warm and cozy list of returning clients that enjoyed me as much as I enjoyed them. And you are a gentleman now.

Originally Posted by heinz5710

Yet, when I saw your post, I just had to comment. Not all the money is good money if you are an escort but not all the sex is the same. A woman's greatest sex organ is above her shoulders and not between her legs.

I just wanted to convey the point to some woman that turning down a client because you suspect he’s LE or dangerous to your safety isn’t the only reason to turn down an appointment. And absolutely the mind is the most important sex organ.

Originally Posted by heinz5710

Since you are giving advice to the ladies to be careful regarding the gentlemen, my advice to the true gentlemen is to beware of dark princesses. Being a great escort is a skill other than knowing how to suck a dick. Most men are paying to be with a good woman and not just a c___. Forgive my crudeness.

There’s nothing crude about that at all. Who wants to be treated like a walking ATM? This career, and it was a career for me, is about caring about your fellow human being and honoring the human condition.

[Guest050715-1]

Copied from one of Blad's post:

Does that go the other way around? in the hookers eyes... NO

Yes, Blad, it abso-fucking-lutely does! I answered Heinz, so read that and then we can get into a bitch fest if you want to.

Originally Posted by Eva Damita

This is a great thread Olivia. … Elisabeth Whispers is a jewel, so feel free to pm her as well regarding issues and concerns you feel only a fellow provider can relate to. Just be sure it's serious enough, no need to create more work for the great mods on the board.
I expect more great responses OH, again, thanks for addressing just one of the many white elephants in the room, hehehe.

THANKS! And Elisabeth Whispers is a wonderful, wonderful lady!
My goal with my blog is to address the elephants in the room as well some funny stories along the way!

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

I think this is a really good post! A lot of girls get put off the business before they learn how to deal with these people, and it's too bad.

Thanks! It is a shame. And I’m going continue to address the tough issues whether they are popular or not. I want my blog to be full of REAL LIFE STUFF.

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

And to the guys, I don't think this is a "well what about us! Look at how bad we have it!" Situation either. What about the girls who ask for money? Don't give it to them. The advice is in the post above. There's no reason to try and start arguments "fixing" posts, because we are all talking about the same thing.

True that! All of it.

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

Actually the optimal thing to do besides not give the begging bitch a dime is alert all the other guys here in her area so they also know what to expect if they walk down the primrose path to seeing her and the results (her begging for more cash after the fact/act). And if one is stupid enough to "loan" her money then seriously. That idiot needs to be culled from the hobby.

She should not be asking for money from clients beyond her fee period. I would be totally pissed if the guy at Whole Foods started asking me for a few bucks. Hello! Who would do that? And Eva’s right, it’s not a strictly working girl thing. People do it all the time, and if it’s in your private life that’s a different story.

Originally Posted by abeautifulsite

Thank you for the info- Knowledge is power- Thank you

My goal is to help ladies and entertain my readers. I will never charge for the How To portion of my blog site.

[WTF]

Ain't nothing free....any of you folks think OliviaHoward's blog is ok ... are a danger to the profession. She has broken a key cog in the agreement with seeing you ladies. Discretion. Do I think she has good advice? Yes for the most part. Do I think she has broken the untold bond providers have with their clients? Yes...A big no no in my book. I know exactly who she is talking about in almost every one of her tales. Way to much TMI. So your praise is like praising Hitler for getting the trains to run on time and ignoring the Jews he is shipping off to the camps. Were any of you ladies or gents on the wrong side of those highly inaccurate blog posts, you might see things differently. ..kinda like the Jews did.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by WTF

Ain't nothing free....any of you folks think OliviaHoward's blog is ok ... are a danger to the profession. She has broken a key cog in the agreement with seeing you ladies. Discretion. Do I think she has good advice? Yes for the most part. Do I think she has broken the untold bond providers have with their clients? Yes...A big no no in my book. I know exactly who she is talking about in almost every one of her tales. Way to much TMI. So your praise is like praising Hitler for getting the trains to run on time and ignoring the Jews he is shipping off to the camps. Were any of you ladies or gents on the wrong side of those highly inaccurate blog posts, you might see things differently. ..kinda like the Jews did.

Well thank you for your kind phrase.

Didn't you read my disclaimer?

This blog is based on actual events. In certain cases incidents, characters and timelines have been changed for dramatic purposes. Certain characters may be composites or completely fictitious.
© 2014 Hooker Incorporated

Besides, I can ASSURE YOU you have no idea who any of the clients are. You have no idea who any of the REAL women the stories are based on. You know the web presence and persona of women I have based SOME of the characters on. And many of the characters, both men and women, are compilations of many people and situations.

But I am curious. What advise do you not agree with? Like as in I actually want to know. I want the REAL story and REAL issues we deal with told. Not some candy-ass advise and definitely not bad advise.

[Guest062114-5]

Advice. Not Advise.

Somewhere chicagoboy is giggling. What was the other word you kept misspelling?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

But I am curious. What advise do you not agree with? Like as in I actually want to know. I want the REAL story and REAL issues we deal with told. Not some candy-ass advise and definitely not bad advise.

I've already given it...discretion.

To all the others ladies reading this...do not kiss and tell in a public forum. It is just bad manners. I do not care if you hide behind some BS disclaimer. If you have gotten permission from the people involved that is one thing but I know for a fact that is not the case in at least one regard.

Olivia, I did not take notes while partially reading your blog. So I am not going to debate it here on eccie. I commend you for the effort but I see no reason for the stories other than ego. It counter balances any good advice IMHO.

Originally Posted by WTF

So your praise is like praising Hitler for getting the trains to run on time and ignoring the Jews he is shipping off to the camps. Were any of you ladies or gents on the wrong side of those highly inaccurate blog posts, you might see things differently. ..kinda like the Jews did.

[JohnnyYanks]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

... I enjoyed 99.99% of my clients ...

Well, we know of two (2) that you definitely did not enjoy. Which means you must've had at least 198 others that you were happy with.

I didn't have a ton of clients ...

By your own admission you have had several tons of clients. At least. (198 X 200 = 19.8 tons; and that's assuming only an average weight of 200 lbs per client!)

Do you always play so loose with the facts when attempting to make a point?

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

You've never once needed help? With anything?

We are all just a step away from each other.

No. Never besides the annoying computer issues that my IT guy takes care of (I pay him, he fixes stuff. That does not constitute begging). And even if I ever did I would never resort to begging clients for handouts.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Advice. Not Advise.

Somewhere chicagoboy is giggling. What was the other word you kept misspelling?

LOL, retarted! But I was doing that one on purpose.

By Johnny Yanks:

Well, we know of two (2) that you definitely did not enjoy. Which means you must've had at least 198 others that you were happy with.

Here's the rest:

Originally Posted by JohnnyYanks

By your own admission you have had several tons of clients. At least. (198 X 200 = 19.8 tons; and that's assuming only an average weight of 200 lbs per client!)

Do you always play so loose with the facts when attempting to make a point?

Two clients out of 99.99% is is .020002 clients I was dissatisfied with. Do YOU always play so fast and loose with facts and elementary mathematics when you are attempting to make a point.

Further I was in the business for seven years. I don't think 99.something clients is high volume, but everybody's got a different way of looking at things. Have a nice day

[Guest050715-1]

Latest Blog Post: Ladies Please Don't do These Things:

I recently posted that that not all good money is good money and that’s true. I also posted it on an industry related site – www.eccie.net. But it was pointed out that there were quite a few points about Dark Princesses to counter my thoughts on and advise on how to handle what I called Dark Knights. I believe their comments to be true mainly because I’ve been around long enough and heard enough stores to have an informed opinion on the subject. Some of the things pointed out by the men of the World range anywhere from less than desirable up to downright appalling. Ladies, your clients are HUMAN BEINGS. They are not walking and talking ATM’s and / or something to be suffered through. If that’s the way you feel, you really need to re-evaluate your job / career choice/s. If you cannot take the time to care about the basic human condition, escorting perhaps is not the path for you. You must remember and please stop for a moment to just fucking CONSIDER they have wants, expectations and desires just like you do. And just like you, they don’t their wants and desires or themselves shit all over any more than you do.

Some of the comments I received:

Heinz5710 – www.eccie.net – Link: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...27&postcount=2

“Does that go the other way around? What about the ladies that you see, have a pleasant time with, and you pay their rate. Then they message you the next week asking when you will see them again. “

For GOD’S sake ladies don’t do this. They will see you again when they see you again – or they won’t. If you are treating them like a number, they won’t. If you are treating them well perhaps they will. Sometimes you just aren’t their cup of tea. Don’t take it personally. There are literally millions of fish in the sea. Move on.

That’s said, I’m not saying don’t reach out with a sweet little marketing email ONCE IN A BLUE MOON like when you’re traveling to their market or you have some new pictures. That’s just good marketing. But don’t pester them. Because one, it backfires. And two, I can almost GUARANTEE, if you are one of the ladies Heinz5710 is talking about, you are also one of the ladies that whines and bitches about clients calling or text them to chat or “waste your time”. Remember, this is a soft sell business. You aren't selling widgets. Even if you are selling widgets, you still have to take your clients out to lunch or take their calls even when said client doesn't have a PO number for your.

“Even worse, they give you some sob story that they are short a few dollars and can you help them out even though you aren't interested in a session right now. They swear they will pay you back in 'between the sheets time.' “

Your clients are just that – clients. They are not your daddies. Do NOT ask them for loans or a few bucks to “get by”. First off that makes you look desperate and desperate isn’t sexy in any way shape or form. If the guy’s a dark knight, he’ll take advantage of you. If he’s a good guy, which the overwhelming majority of them are, you’re using him or pissing him off. Don’t do that! It’s not nice, and it’s bad, bad business.

“Even worse, these dark princesses think they would make great sugar babes and offer you a monthly price for unlimited services when they know they will never spend any more time with you then the hourly rate you paid for in advance. In other words, they aren't your friend. “

It’s up to your client who and if they want to have an arrangement with you, not the other way around.

To address the “friends” comment: I was friends with a small number of my clients. They weren’t friends with benefits, but they were friends. However I never asked them “When are you going to come and see me?” That’s just whiny and rude. And I never expected them to pick up my check either. We traded paying or went Dutch because that’s what FRIENDS do.

“Don't get me wrong. Most ladies have some sort of ethics and they give you a great GFE when you are with them. It is almost as if the money wasn't there. Both enjoyed the process. I also have been given extra time by many ladies as they weren't watching the clock. They received the agreed upon fee and enjoyed being with me. Those beautiful princesses have enriched my life.“

In a nutshell, this is how to build a good business. Go to lunch with them if you two are having a good time. Take their calls. Be fucking NICE to the nice gentlemen and they’ll be nice to you also. It’s called common courtesy.

“The dark princesses become a nuisance. …….. "I've done more for you than your wife ever did!" “

I can’t in a million years ever imagine ever saying this to someone. It’s no one’s business what goes on between you and your wife besides you and your immediate family.

“Even though you had a pleasant time or two with the dark lady, the money is all that she is after. They won't give you an hour for lunch unless the hourly rate is given.”

Ladies, ladies, ladies, what would it hurt you to go have lunch with a kind gentleman you just enjoyed. Even if you HATE him, WHAT CAN IT HURT! You have to eat don’t you? This poster, is a kind, thoughtful gentlemen. I’ve enjoyed bantering with him for years now. MOST of your clients are going to be just like this gent: kind, thoughtful and eager to see and please you as much as be seen by and pleasured by you. BE NICE. Yes, the end game is getting paid, but it’s not the be all / end all of the game. Have fun with what you do and you’ll be rewarded far beyond what you actually think you’ll be rewarded.

The red font – bladtinzu – www.eccie.net – Link: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...31&postcount=3

“Since you are giving advice to the ladies to be careful regarding the gentlemen, my advice to the true gentlemen is to beware of dark princesses. Actually everyone. Hell we as guys control this hobby after all. We can live without pussy but how long can a chick live without money?”

I just flatly disagree with this statement. Ladies, this is what men would like you to think, but it’s flat not true. Men, since time immortal, have chased women for one reason or another. They can’t live without women, competing for women or sex. If they could, they’d be satisfied with their sexless marriages, yet they are not. YOU as a good business woman, just like any other business owner, control your business. Sure there are market conditions like the crash of ’08 that all but killed off the extreme high end escorting business for years (It is just now starting to fully recover at least in Houston where it’s booming again – Thankfully.). But by and large, you control your business and don’t let any amount of static confuse you.

Enjoy your job. It’s a fun and rewarding job / career. And never lose track that you are dealing with feelings far more than if you were indeed selling the aforementioned widgets.

© 2014 Hooker Incorporated

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by WTF

I've already given it...discretion.

To all the others ladies reading this...do not kiss and tell in a public forum. It is just bad manners. I do not care if you hide behind some BS disclaimer. If you have gotten permission from the people involved that is one thing but I know for a fact that is not the case in at least one regard.

I'm not hiding behind shit. You don't know the identity of one person in my tales no matter what you think. Like I said they are based on certain events and characters and many are compilations both the men and women alike. Besides, you ain't gotta like it. That's just the long and short of it.

Originally Posted by WTF

Olivia, I did not take notes while partially reading your blog. So I am not going to debate it here on eccie. I commend you for the effort but I see no reason for the stories other than ego. It counter balances any good advice IMHO.

No, ego has nothing to do with it, and the advise is sound regardless of your good or bad opinion.

[JESSE JAMES]

Originally Posted by WTF

Ain't nothing free....any of you folks think OliviaHoward's blog is ok ... are a danger to the profession. She has broken a key cog in the agreement with seeing you ladies. Discretion. Do I think she has good advice? Yes for the most part. Do I think she has broken the untold bond providers have with their clients? Yes...A big no no in my book. I know exactly who she is talking about in almost every one of her tales. Way to much TMI. So your praise is like praising Hitler for getting the trains to run on time and ignoring the Jews he is shipping off to the camps. Were any of you ladies or gents on the wrong side of those highly inaccurate blog posts, you might see things differently. ..kinda like the Jews did.

+1 WTF Talks way too much---has the subtlety of a freight train