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02-20-2014, 10:45 AM
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Arguing theology vs. science on a hooker board.
I now believe 25% is way too low.
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02-20-2014, 10:59 AM
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No, that's not the basis of evolution AT ALL. And you're entire paragraph here just proves that you know nothing about the subject. So why do you sit here and argue about something that you nothing about?
Flu virus growing arms and legs? Lmao! Man I wasn't gonna say anything because I refuse to argue with a creationist, but the stupidity of that statement drove me to speak up. I'm not gonna sit here and play pigeon chess with you like some of the others, but why don't you actually go learn about the subject rather than argue about it on a hooker board, because if you think that a non living thing becoming a living thing is the basis of evolution, then you shouldn't be arguing about it. Period.
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Hmmm let's state the facts:
The Theory of Evolution : ‘ With a big bang the universe came into existence. On Earth a chance event gave rise to a single-cell organism . Over billions of years, this developed into all forms of life.= do you agree with that statement?
FACT 1 T he Law of Thermodynamics A cast iron law of physics. There are no exceptions. Every scientist recognises this law. It states: ‘All systems left to themselves tend towards disorder and randomness .’ (In other words, order cannot arise from disorder)
. Examples Gas, once escaped, cannot flow back into the gas tap. Mix water at 10 and 90 degrees. The resulting mixture can never be separated back into water at 10 and 90 degrees. An egg white and an egg yoke can never be scrambled back into the original egg.
Darwin stated: ‘The very first cell was formed from dead material.’ This would mean that order was created from disorder. That is like scrambling egg white and egg yoke back into an egg. Impossible. Without that first cell, there can have been no evolution. The Law of Thermodynamics is quite clear. Evolution can never have happened.
FACT 2 A chemistry lab inside a beetle The Bombardier beetle is not rare. But it does have a unique form of defence. It fires a liquid into the air. This changes into a noxious cloud. Which enables it to escape from its predators.
. For this purpose it has an ingenious system: 1. Glands which produce four complex chemicals. 2. Reservoir and combustion chambers. 3. Muscles, aiming tubes and an aiming instinct. Darwin stated: ‘The beetle developed this system itself, taking millions of years to do so.’
but without this defence, it would have been devoured. So how could it have survived millions of years of evolution? And how did the beetle get the idea and the knowledge for that toxic cloud? And how could it develop everything simultaneously? The beetle cannot, therefore, be the product of evolution. But there are thousands of these little animals. Evolution never took place. Also, evolutionist state that the Giraffe evolved it's long neck over millions of years- let's assume they are correct. Do you realize- ask any zoologist- that a Giraffe has a certain "flap" in it's brain that prevents it from passing out every time it its it's neck down for a sip of water due to syncope or rapid drop in Blood pressure. Was that flap designed or did it evolve? If you tell me it evolved than there must have ben a period of time when the Giraffe didn't have the flap and every time it went for a sip of water it would pass out and high chance it would get eaten by a predator. Heck a predator would just have to wait near a pond/lake/river and once the Giraffe took a sip -it's dinner time- obviously that flap had to be there- it could not have evolved. The Woodpecker also defies evolution- why doesn't the Woodpecker's brain scramble every time it drills into a tree? Other birds can not drill like a woodpecker- well the reason why a Woodpecker never gets a massive headache or it's brain scrambled- is because it's brain is uniquely designed with shock cushions all around it- but evolutionist don't believe it was "designed" they believe it "evolved"- so by their theory- that had to be a time when woodpeckers were drilling into trees and their brains were getting scrambled????
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02-20-2014, 11:12 AM
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Arguing theology vs. science on a hooker board.
I now believe 25% is way too low.
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Yet you post on this topic to keep it going????? So tell me where your IQ ranks
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02-20-2014, 11:15 AM
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There are galaxies near us that are younger and some galaxies that have been shown by scientists to be older than the universe itself.
Here is the question:
If the Big Bnag Theory is correct shouldn't all the galaxies be of the same age?
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02-20-2014, 11:17 AM
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Example:
If a woman gives birth to triplets (the creation of three children) in twenty years do you expect one to be 20, another to be 26 and the third to be 30?
No, you would expect them all to be 20 correct?
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02-20-2014, 11:48 AM
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Tautolgy. The Bible doesn't claim those things. Your claims about Science only holds water if you count the 1920's as recently. Edwin Hubble presented his discovery galaxies outside the Milky Way and red shift in 1924.
The Bible on the other hand has two creation myths. The first is in Genesis 1, the second is in Genesis 2:4-25. They contradict each other. Genesis 1 says that humans were created after animals. Genesis 2 says animals were created after humans.The Bible says plants existed before the sun was created. The sun is kind of important to plants for photosynthesis and all. Those two chapters aren't signing from the same hymn sheet, so to speak.
The truth is the Bible was written by Bronze Age desert nomads. The Romans decided to give the Bible a rewrite at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. Humans haven't changed, our societies and technology have, but indoctrination still proves to be a useful tool for controlling people.
http://www.bricktestament.com/home.html
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You have a young earth fundamentalist understanding of genesis.
Ken Ham would be proud.
No proof that the Romans rewrote the Bible, the books that were canonized were
well known before the roman catholic church ever got involved, you only had them
and the gnostic writings to choose from, most of the new testament writing
is in opposition to the gnostics.
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02-20-2014, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife
Wow. Several here are validating my post. I didn't expect that.
To paraphrase the essence of the dialogue: "... of course Earth orbits the Sun! But seriously, my book that says a mythological god created everything and this guy named Moses parted the Red Sea is for realz!"
Geez, listen to yourselves. You really buy into the book of fables over scientific research that learns more and gets stronger every day?
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The hard anthropic principle points to the necessity of a creator. The absolute necessity of the ultra fine tuned fundamental constants that govern the universe and all of life, and all of the systems that regulate life and the
universe, the reason many scientist are ether Theist or at the least Deist
in their beliefs.
Science.
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02-20-2014, 12:07 PM
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We can't know if there is intelligent design involved in our existence. Nobody can. It is way, way beyond the scope of science and human understanding. Learning more about the Big Bang and evolution doesn't rule out the possibility of a higher being. We call our Universe the 'Universe', but we're beginning to think that there might be multiple universes, just as we have learned that there are multiple galaxies.
I am however, quite sure that religion is man-made by primitive men to control other primitive men, and it boggles my mind that people are still able to be brainwashed by that nonsense. It tells me that our schools are teaching dogma and need to put a lot more focus on critical thinking and deductive reasoning.
The bible, for example, is full of superstitious nonsense, as were the Nordic, Greek, and Roman myths. As is the Quran.
So that is where I'm coming from. Not ruling out the possibility of a higher being, but definitely not buying into modern 'give me your money' religion. Oh, and I sure don't believe that there is a fatherly presence in the sky listening to prayers.
OldGrump, even though religion is generally oppressive, I acknowledge there is a positive side to it for some. For sure some people benefit from the community and sense of belonging, and take comfort from the idea that something might be listening to their thoughts and guiding their lives. That's positive for them, but it doesn't mean it's real.
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The multiverse is the only option in light of the hard anthropic principle,
and a total unprovable theory which even if were true would in no way
eliminate the possibility of God. The theist frame already establishes the idea of the existence of another universe, the realm of heaven, Paul talked of a third heaven.
The beginning of the space time continuum establishes some transcendent
being or force outside of it being responsible for it's creation, space and time cannot create itself.
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02-20-2014, 12:13 PM
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Yet you post on this topic to keep it going????? So tell me where your IQ ranks
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Somewhere between the I and the Q.
Now, it's time for me to put on my white shirt, grab my backpack, get on my bicycle and go deliver some flyers....
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02-20-2014, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jarvis
Somewhere between the I and the Q.
Now, it's time for me to put on my white shirt, grab my backpack, get on my bicycle and go deliver some flyers....
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Thank you- keep responding and keep this so called "senseless" thread going- you know there's an old saying that goes: "Who is the bigger Fool-? the Fool or the one who follows the fool?
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02-20-2014, 12:47 PM
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Hmmm let's state the facts:
The Theory of Evolution : ‘ With a big bang the universe came into existence. On Earth a chance event gave rise to a single-cell organism . Over billions of years, this developed into all forms of life.= do you agree with that statement?
FACT 1 The Law of Thermodynamics A cast iron law of physics. There are no exceptions. Every scientist recognises this law. It states: ‘All systems left to themselves tend towards disorder and randomness .’ (In other words, order cannot arise from disorder)
. Examples Gas, once escaped, cannot flow back into the gas tap. Mix water at 10 and 90 degrees. The resulting mixture can never be separated back into water at 10 and 90 degrees. An egg white and an egg yoke can never be scrambled back into the original egg.
Darwin stated: ‘The very first cell was formed from dead material.’ This would mean that order was created from disorder. That is like scrambling egg white and egg yoke back into an egg. Impossible. Without that first cell, there can have been no evolution. The Law of Thermodynamics is quite clear. Evolution can never have happened.
FACT 2 A chemistry lab inside a beetle The Bombardier beetle is not rare. But it does have a unique form of defence. It fires a liquid into the air. This changes into a noxious cloud. Which enables it to escape from its predators.
. For this purpose it has an ingenious system: 1. Glands which produce four complex chemicals. 2. Reservoir and combustion chambers. 3. Muscles, aiming tubes and an aiming instinct. Darwin stated: ‘The beetle developed this system itself, taking millions of years to do so.’
but without this defence, it would have been devoured. So how could it have survived millions of years of evolution? And how did the beetle get the idea and the knowledge for that toxic cloud? And how could it develop everything simultaneously? The beetle cannot, therefore, be the product of evolution. But there are thousands of these little animals. Evolution never took place. Also, evolutionist state that the Giraffe evolved it's long neck over millions of years- let's assume they are correct. Do you realize- ask any zoologist- that a Giraffe has a certain "flap" in it's brain that prevents it from passing out every time it its it's neck down for a sip of water due to syncope or rapid drop in Blood pressure. Was that flap designed or did it evolve? If you tell me it evolved than there must have ben a period of time when the Giraffe didn't have the flap and every time it went for a sip of water it would pass out and high chance it would get eaten by a predator. Heck a predator would just have to wait near a pond/lake/river and once the Giraffe took a sip -it's dinner time- obviously that flap had to be there- it could not have evolved. The Woodpecker also defies evolution- why doesn't the Woodpecker's brain scramble every time it drills into a tree? Other birds can not drill like a woodpecker- well the reason why a Woodpecker never gets a massive headache or it's brain scrambled- is because it's brain is uniquely designed with shock cushions all around it- but evolutionist don't believe it was "designed" they believe it "evolved"- so by their theory- that had to be a time when woodpeckers were drilling into trees and their brains were getting scrambled????
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Facepalm. No I don't agree with that statement at all. Evolution has nothing to do with the formation of the universe or life. And the fact that you don't understand that, is the reason why I won't argue with you, because that would be a futile endeavor that would only raise my blood pressure. I'm gonna go read about hookers, that makes me happy. Carry on.
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02-20-2014, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Mr. Poon?
Facepalm. No I don't agree with that statement at all. Evolution has nothing to do with the formation of the universe or life. And the fact that you don't understand that, is the reason why I won't argue with you, because that would be a futile endeavor that would only raise my blood pressure. I'm gonna go read about hookers, that makes me happy. Carry on.
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We can agree to disagree- thanks for admitting that there is some higher being or entity and call him/it/her what you like= but these things you see around you everyday didn't come from nowhere- and speaking of hooker boards- surely one day you must have thought the very least that a man has a penis- that goes inside a vagina- and if the man releases some fluid it can cause reproduction- do you think that was by design or by chance- they male and female somehow have the right parts or was it just some mere coincidence that somehow we evolved the right apparatus?
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02-20-2014, 01:02 PM
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I find it even funnier that you have some people who believe a big explosion instead of causing chaos which happen 100 percent of the time-created sustainable life form- oh don't let me stop there- the life form that was created just happened to evolve and happen to have everything it needed to survive- oxygen to breathe, water to drink, eyes to see, ears to hear- oh and wow isn't it so amazing that the majority of these life forms were created in pairs where they just happened to have the right organs to reproduce and continue their offspring- oh wait- if this was a random explosion and these creatures evolved- how did they know how to naturally reproduce? Yes some people believe this Charles Darwin dude when his theories have so many holes in them- ijs!
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Holes in Dawin's Theory? OHFGDG! PLease, submit your paper with these "holes" to the Nobel Institute, your prize of $250,000 is awaiting. Geezz, it's better to keep your mouth shut and LET people think you're stupid, rather than open it ...well, you know, heard it all of your life, haven't you?
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02-20-2014, 01:05 PM
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Hmmm let's state the facts:
The Theory of Evolution : ‘ With a big bang the universe came into existence. On Earth a chance event gave rise to a single-cell organism . Over billions of years, this developed into all forms of life.= do you agree with that statement?
FACT 1 The Law of Thermodynamics A cast iron law of physics. There are no exceptions. Every scientist recognises this law. It states: ‘All systems left to themselves tend towards disorder and randomness .’ (In other words, order cannot arise from disorder)
. Examples Gas, once escaped, cannot flow back into the gas tap. Mix water at 10 and 90 degrees. The resulting mixture can never be separated back into water at 10 and 90 degrees. An egg white and an egg yoke can never be scrambled back into the original egg.
Darwin stated: ‘The very first cell was formed from dead material.’ This would mean that order was created from disorder. That is like scrambling egg white and egg yoke back into an egg. Impossible. Without that first cell, there can have been no evolution. The Law of Thermodynamics is quite clear. Evolution can never have happened.
FACT 2 A chemistry lab inside a beetle The Bombardier beetle is not rare. But it does have a unique form of defence. It fires a liquid into the air. This changes into a noxious cloud. Which enables it to escape from its predators.
. For this purpose it has an ingenious system: 1. Glands which produce four complex chemicals. 2. Reservoir and combustion chambers. 3. Muscles, aiming tubes and an aiming instinct. Darwin stated: ‘The beetle developed this system itself, taking millions of years to do so.’
but without this defence, it would have been devoured. So how could it have survived millions of years of evolution? And how did the beetle get the idea and the knowledge for that toxic cloud? And how could it develop everything simultaneously? The beetle cannot, therefore, be the product of evolution. But there are thousands of these little animals. Evolution never took place. Also, evolutionist state that the Giraffe evolved it's long neck over millions of years- let's assume they are correct. Do you realize- ask any zoologist- that a Giraffe has a certain "flap" in it's brain that prevents it from passing out every time it its it's neck down for a sip of water due to syncope or rapid drop in Blood pressure. Was that flap designed or did it evolve? If you tell me it evolved than there must have ben a period of time when the Giraffe didn't have the flap and every time it went for a sip of water it would pass out and high chance it would get eaten by a predator. Heck a predator would just have to wait near a pond/lake/river and once the Giraffe took a sip -it's dinner time- obviously that flap had to be there- it could not have evolved. The Woodpecker also defies evolution- why doesn't the Woodpecker's brain scramble every time it drills into a tree? Other birds can not drill like a woodpecker- well the reason why a Woodpecker never gets a massive headache or it's brain scrambled- is because it's brain is uniquely designed with shock cushions all around it- but evolutionist don't believe it was "designed" they believe it "evolved"- so by their theory- that had to be a time when woodpeckers were drilling into trees and their brains were getting scrambled????
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Hmmmm, we have a blower of Kent Hovind here, who can only cut and paste lies that have long ago been debunked.....you're pathetic dude
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02-20-2014, 01:15 PM
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LFS
Actually there are many flaws in Darwin's theory that scientists agree on
And a Noble prize is over a million not 250k
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