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Old 12-06-2013, 10:06 AM   #16
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He was wise and lived a long happy life. Not fake as all, as its sad when anyone passes away
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:53 PM   #17
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It's one of those funny things, his 27 years in jail are indescribable, yet somehow I think it made him the man he became.

It stripped all pretence from him, it made him even more focussed, it gave him strength. It gave him time to hone all his skills. It gave him an aura.

Sometimes things work out in a strange way.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:05 PM   #18
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Wow,

RIP to a great man and what he meant to the whole world.
No doubt.
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Old 12-07-2013, 12:40 AM   #19
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Default A Truly Great Man.

This loss really hurts.

This man epitomised dignity, determination, generosity of spirit, compassion and most of all forgiveness.

He was that rare leader who rose above petty politics and set the standard for leaders on the continent and rest of the world to follow.

We are poorer for his loss, but richer for his being here and the example he set.
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:11 AM   #20
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As I said...perspective...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/06/us/man...act/index.html
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:34 AM   #21
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RIP to an extraordinary and great human being.
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Old 12-09-2013, 10:33 AM   #22
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As I said...perspective...
You may have said it twice, but I don't think anybody has a clue what you are saying (or rather, everybody has a different idea what you are saying).

Your link seems to confirm his world wide influence.
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:38 PM   #23
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Different perspectives on whether or not his death is to be commemorated...
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:52 PM   #24
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Different perspectives on whether or not his death is to be commemorated...
Exactly. While he was great in his reconciliation rather than retribution practice, everybody forgets that he essentially founded a Marxist terrorist cell that bombed many civilian targets while he was imprisoned, and could've been released sooner if he'd have denounced those terrorist acts.
http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/

Bonus points, google "mandela necklace"

He also pretty much sold himself and his country to De Beers as a shill.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:38 PM   #25
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Exactly. While he was great in his reconciliation rather than retribution practice, everybody forgets that he essentially founded a Marxist terrorist cell that bombed many civilian targets while he was imprisoned, and could've been released sooner if he'd have denounced those terrorist acts.
http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things...elson-mandela/

Bonus points, google "mandela necklace"

He also pretty much sold himself and his country to De Beers as a shill.
I am fully aware he was a freedom fighter, and the mandela necklace was the winnie mandela necklace.

This isn't the place or time for a big discussion/argument, but he admitted his faults, before his imprisonment the violence was against property, not people, and part of the reason for the violence during apartheid from the whites was an intemperate and irrational fear of anything communist.

It is easy to hear 'violence' as being violence against people, but this is an assumption.

One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist.

But why did he not renounce violence? Totally obvious, he would not renounce violence because the whites would not renounce violence. It would not have been equal. It would have politically and morally defeatist.

When you talk about 'terrorist acts' it brings to mind something quite different to the blowing up of electricity pylons.

His 'terrorist acts' were more like the actions of the French resistance. No doubt Germans considered them terrorists and Marxists.

Like I say, too complex and too many assumptions and not the right time/place to have a great debate/battle. Life is complex. I tend to have greater trust in what the leading white politicians of the time say rather than random posters.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:53 PM   #26
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- If Mandela was a terrorist, then so was George Washington

- you can't judge a man by what his wife does

- you can't judge a man by things done by other members of ANC while he was in jail

- nobody is a saint

To be honest, the article referenced seems to be pretty desparate - if that is all the mud they can find.

The good thing is this discussion made me look up this - although I realise many do not like Wikipedia, al least the facts should be more or less correct. I think they use the word acts of sabotage rather than terrorism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:42 PM   #27
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Yeah...different perspectives...

Nelson Mandela death: Examining the backlash
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/06/world/...ide/index.html
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:53 PM   #28
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Yeah...different perspectives...
yeah, like I say, nobody has a clue what your opinion is. To be honest, I have no interest in your opinions, they are probably like the blancmanges on your wife's chest.

In short, a complete waste of breath.

Give an opinion or get off the pot.

[to clarify, I have no interest in WU's opinion, but I have a slight interest in seeing whether he is a man or mouse. No, let me reconsider, I have no interest in seeing whether he is man or mouse. He is confirmed messy].
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