Yet another Obama lie

[gnadfly]

donkfinitely

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

nwa,

I don't think most Americans know that the Federal Govt sets the price it will pay for medical procedures and drugs via MC/MA and Plan D and that private insurers may work off that number.

I get my mothers medical bills and am amazed. Yesterday I received a $10,000 bill for a one day emergency room visit. She had MC and supplemental insurance and plan D. Medicare and Supp covered about $1000 and she owed $0.

You are very correct. But with these $6,500 deducts and out of pockets, they are soon going to find out just how little the government pays, and how much they are going to.

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

You keep harping on the false assumption that under Obamacare, there will be no uninsured going to the emergency room and therefore no cost to the taxpayer. The CBO still estimates that there will be about 30 million uninsured under Obamacare. The American taxpayer will still be on the hook for these estimated 30 million uninsured. And when the young healthy uninsured decide not to enroll in Obamacare and just pay a small penalty instead (assuming that the IRS can legally collect this penalty), everyone's health insurance premuims will skyrocket to cover the costs.

1. The high number of uninsureds is because the Supreme Court invalidated the Medicaid expansion.

2. I agree that 30,000,.000 is way too many. That's a great argument for a single payer plan like Medicare for All.

3. How many uninsureds were there under Republican George Bush's plan?

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by TexTushHog

1. The high number of uninsureds is because the Supreme Court invalidated the Medicaid expansion.

2. I agree that 30,000,.000 is way too many. That's a great argument for a single payer plan like Medicare for All.

3. How many uninsureds were there under Republican George Bush's plan?

Lets call it Odonkcare...

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by satexasguy

This from Yahoo which is pro Obama. Of course the libterds will defend him.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administ...222249311.html

From the link that you have provided. It is in the law that you can keep your old policy if no changes are made to it. So, the insurance companies have the option of offering an old policy as long no changes are made. The insurance companies are choosing not to offer the old policies. The government is not directing them to do so. Obama did not lie.

The Affordable Care Act states that people who had health insurance prior to March 23, 2010 — the day Obama signed the bill into law — will be able to keep those policies even if they don't meet the requirements of the new law. However, the Department of Health and Human Services tightened that provision so that "if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered," NBC News reports.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

I think you are assuming falsely that hospitals just have floors of beds waiting on patients to fill them. They do not. And the biggest assumption you completely fail to understand is that there are two mechanisms involved in the policies bought through the exchanges you are speaking of. One, is how much people pay to the insurance companies, which is advertised and you understand, but the other, which you do not understand and is under gag order by the prez, is how much these policies pay the healthcare providers. When you do a little research on what the plan you describe actually pays a healthcare provider, unless you are a die hard liberal to the end, you will quickly realize where your theory falls on it's face. These plans don't even pay enough to keep the lights on and healthcare providers are not going to want to see them, same as Medicaid patients.
Surely you didn't think the bronze plans pay the same amount per procedure to healthcare providers, as say, a quality, private insurance plan employers provide their employees did you?

Having some health insurance is better than having no heath insurance. If the insured can't find a doctor to treat them, they can just go to emergency room of their local hospital and they will be treated, just like in the past. The difference is this time, the individual will be insured. The hospital will not have to eat the entire charge, or pass it along to the taxpayer.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

From the link that you have provided. It is in the law that you can keep your old policy if no changes are made to it. So, the insurance companies have the option of offering an old policy as long no changes are made. The insurance companies are choosing not to offer the old policies. The government is not directing them to do so. Obama did not lie.

The Affordable Care Act states that people who had health insurance prior to March 23, 2010 — the day Obama signed the bill into law — will be able to keep those policies even if they don't meet the requirements of the new law. However, the Department of Health and Human Services tightened that provision so that "if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered," NBC News reports.

Nobody is disputing what the law says, we all know what the law says. The question is why didn't Obama know what the law said, or say the exact same thing you are saying? It wasn't that hard was it? Or are you saying Obama is just so stupid that he could not string a couple of sentences together, as you have so easily done?

Instead he said "If you like your current plan, you can keep it. period." with no further mention of the truth about the law. Looking back at the speeches, there was plenty of time to say these things and he intentionally omitted them. Omission is and deception is what is considered the lie. Not what he said.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

Having some health insurance is better than having no heath insurance. If the insured can't find a doctor to treat them, they can just go to emergency room of their local hospital and they will be treated, just like in the past. The difference is this time, the individual will be insured. The hospital will not have to eat the entire charge, or pass it along to the taxpayer.

Exactly! That is why only 6 people signed up the first day, because there is no reason to pay when they can get it for free. All this time I didn't think you understood, go figure

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Nobody is disputing what the law says, we all know what the law says. The question is why didn't Obama know what the law said, or say the exact same thing you are saying? It wasn't that hard was it? Or are you saying Obama is just so stupid that he could not string a couple of sentences together, as you have so easily done?

Instead he said "If you like your current plan, you can keep it. period." with no further mention of the truth about the law. Looking back at the speeches, there was plenty of time to say these things and he intentionally omitted them. Omission is and deception is what is considered the lie. Not what he said.

One more time,
The insurance companies are choosing not to offer the old policies. The government is not directing them to do so. Obama did not lie. The bottom line, the health insurance company can offer the exact same old policy if they choose to do so. The health insurance company chooses not to do so. That's the difference. Your doctors where you work will not be seeing a patient with an Obamacare policy. Why do care? Why do you want people with pre-existing conditions to not get health insurance? If you are self employed you can't get health insurance on a group plan.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Exactly! That is why only 6 people signed up the first day, because there is no reason to pay when they can get it for free. All this time I didn't think you understood, go figure

One reason is to avoid having to pay the fine. So, the uninsured will be paying something. The uninsured who make more than the poverty level which is 22,000 for a family of 4, will have to pay the fine if they don't get health insurance. Signups for Romneycare were low in the first month. Let's see how the numbers play out.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

One more time,
The insurance companies are choosing not to offer the old policies. The government is not directing them to do so. Obama did not lie. The bottom line, the health insurance company can offer the exact same old policy if they choose to do so. The health insurance company chooses not to do so. That's the difference. Your doctors where you work will not be seeing a patient with an Obamacare policy. Why do care? Why do you want people with pre-existing conditions to not get health insurance? If you are self employed you can't get health insurance on a group plan.

I wasn't asking for one more time, I'm asking specific questions about his omission's that you can easily explain in a couple of sentences, but he couldn't or didn't . I knew exactly what was going to happen before he was even saying it in public. If you can't or do not want to answer the questions, no worries, was just curious if you had an opinion on why he didn't explain himself then, as he is now being forced to do so? No reason to repost old opinions, I was asking for a new one.

And I doubt you read every post, but as I said months ago, I've been in a hastily retreat out of the healthcare biz for a while now. Way to ugly for my tastes, and I do not care, this law doesn't effect me, it's just fun watching socialist programs go down in flames.

[Solemate62]

Man, if we could only train this shiftless, black president to be an honest truth-teller like George W. Bush was, we'd really be better off!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

Having some health insurance is better than having no heath insurance. If the insured can't find a doctor to treat them, they can just go to emergency room of their local hospital and they will be treated, just like in the past. The difference is this time, the individual will be insured. The hospital will not have to eat the entire charge, or pass it along to the taxpayer.

The American taxpayer is 100% on the hook for Obamacare, so it's disingenuous of you to claim that only "20 million" will be enrolled since the balance of the population will be paying for it. BTW, the young, healthy citizens with a steady source of income are not signing up. Per this forum, it's the "sickest" that are signing up.

[Yssup Rider]

You've been on a rampage for 21 days now. Into your FOURTH WEEK of this epic meltdown, flinging feces, posting like a hysterical lunatic, screaming and attacking anybody who addresses you, even posters who have never commented on your rants before.

Disproving another's point does to require insults, denigration or anger.

It requires fact.

You fail debate class, Corpy, but yours is the textbook display of "bleeding by example."

[nevergaveitathought]

there is a huge difference between bush and obama...

it mainly revolves around not lying on purpose to achieve their respective ends
and innate goodness versus hatred and retribution