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Old 10-06-2013, 12:21 AM   #16
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Here CBJ7. Have someone read this to you. It's the OP article.

Just before the weekend, the National Park Service informed charter boat captains in Florida that the Florida Bay was "closed" due to the shutdown. Until government funding is restored, the fishing boats are prohibited from taking anglers into 1,100 square-miles of open ocean. Fishing is also prohibited at Biscayne National Park during the shutdown.
The Park Service will also have rangers on duty to police the ban... of access to an ocean. The government will probably use more personnel and spend more resources to attempt to close the ocean, than it would in its normal course of business.
This is governing by temper-tantrum. It is on par with the government's ham-fisted attempts to close the DC WWII Memorial, an open-air public monument that is normally accessible 24 hours a day. By accessible I mean, you walk up to it. When you have finished reflecting, you then walk away from it.
At least that Memorial is an actual structure, with some kind of perimeter that can be fenced off. Florida Bay is the ocean. How, pray tell, do you "close" 1,100 square miles of ocean? Why would one even need to do so?
Apparently, according to an anonymous Park Service ranger, “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”
Centuries ago, King Canute famously failed to command the ocean tide to stop. His display was actually a means to educate his subjects on the limits of royal power. Today, however, our President actually believes he has the power to control the oceans.


In case you're wondering, that is the sound of your ass being handed to you yet again, CBJ7
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:42 AM   #17
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Yes, it is part of an ocean. It is also a national park which is legally mandated to be closed based on departmental decisions made under the antideficiency act.
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:48 AM   #18
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Yes, it is part of an ocean. It is also a national park which is legally mandated to be closed based on departmental decisions made under the antideficiency act.
Well, then, by all means! Close the ocean!

It's amazing. The government doesn't have the money to fund "non-essential" activities, but somehow has the money to fund completely ridiculous activities, like closing the ocean. Only in America!
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:09 AM   #19
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don't know where the Everglades are do you dumbass?
No, the dumbass doesn't know where it is.

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Here CBJ7. Have someone read this to you. It's the OP article.

Just before the weekend, the National Park Service informed charter boat captains in Florida that the Florida Bay was "closed" due to the shutdown. Until government funding is restored, the fishing boats are prohibited from taking anglers into 1,100 square-miles of open ocean. Fishing is also prohibited at Biscayne National Park during the shutdown.
The Park Service will also have rangers on duty to police the ban... of access to an ocean. The government will probably use more personnel and spend more resources to attempt to close the ocean, than it would in its normal course of business.
This is governing by temper-tantrum. It is on par with the government's ham-fisted attempts to close the DC WWII Memorial, an open-air public monument that is normally accessible 24 hours a day. By accessible I mean, you walk up to it. When you have finished reflecting, you then walk away from it.
At least that Memorial is an actual structure, with some kind of perimeter that can be fenced off. Florida Bay is the ocean. How, pray tell, do you "close" 1,100 square miles of ocean? Why would one even need to do so?
Apparently, according to an anonymous Park Service ranger, “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”
Centuries ago, King Canute famously failed to command the ocean tide to stop. His display was actually a means to educate his subjects on the limits of royal power. Today, however, our President actually believes he has the power to control the oceans.

In case you're wondering, that is the sound of your ass being handed to you yet again, CBJ7
Looks to me you just handed up your own ass....again.

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Yes, it is part of an ocean. It is also a national park which is legally mandated to be closed based on departmental decisions made under the antideficiency act.
Actually Florida Bay is considered to be part of the Everglades Watershed so it isn't a part of the ocean.

Florida Bay[edit]


A clump of mangroves in the distance, Florida Bay at Flamingo


Much of the coast and the inner estuaries are built by mangroves; there is no border between the coastal marshes and the bay. Thus the marine ecosystems in Florida Bay are considered to be a part of the Everglades watershed and one of the ecosystems connected to and affected by the Everglades as a whole. More than 800 square miles (2,100 km2) of Florida Bay is protected by Everglades National Park, representing the largest body of water in the park boundaries
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:11 AM   #20
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Maybe if the Miami Herald told the story http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/0...stributor.html
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:17 AM   #21
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So if the government says the ocean isn't the ocean, it must be so. Because the government says so. CBJ7, I'm starting to see your problem.
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:26 AM   #22
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Maybe if the Miami Herald told the story http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/0...stributor.html

You're right. It is a good article. The only part of the blog that really agrees with is the size and location. And of course there is going to be an economic impact of some kind.
I liked this part.
The federal government has been partially shut down since midnight Monday, when the House refused to sign off on the federal budget unless the president’s signature healthcare initiative was defunded. Since then the House has tried several times to pass bills that would fund specific items like pay for veterans, or opening the nation’s parks. Those efforts have all failed
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:33 AM   #23
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So if the government says the ocean isn't the ocean, it must be so. Because the government says so. CBJ7, I'm starting to see your problem.
What a douche-bag.

The government didn't say the ocean isn't the ocean. You said the the Everglade Watershed is the ocean. You and your blogger guy.

Let's see, believe tweety-guy or multiple verifiable internet sources.

This is why you don't argue.
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:35 AM   #24
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So if the government says the ocean isn't the ocean, it must be so. Because the government says so. CBJ7, I'm starting to see your problem.
technically ...

the gulf of mexico is part of the North Atlantic Ocean. the Glades are in the eastern part of the Gulf

Byscane Bay is on the eastern coast of Florida Miami, a direct part of the North Atlantic


and you were too stupid to know that
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