Gotta love it, another county wants to secede from California

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

I know this is taken from an older post, but I just have to ask: "Why would you even assume that these 9,400 people even want government benefits?

Except for the sloths of the nation, the remaining citizens do not even think they deserve, or want one dime more in services than what they paid for.

OK, you caught him exaggerating. It is actually 9,397 people, plus or minus 1.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by JCM800

where are the donuts from .....and what kind of chips?

I'm thinking Dunkin' Donuts, and any chip with built in flavor, like cheetos.

[chefnerd]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Wilson took American citizens, born and raised, and sent them to the newly established Soviet Union. See Emma Goldberg and Jack Reed.

Only you could give examples to contradict your claim JD. "Red Emma" was never a US citizen, unless of course you consider Kaunos (formely Kovno) in Lithuania as part of the US.
Reed, and I presume you are referring to the author of 'Ten Days That Shook the World', was not deported, but rather went to Russia voluntarily as a delegate of the Communist International. Yes, he was arrested during the war, but was never convicted.

[Jewish Lawyer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24135021

The link shows more Americans giving up their citizenship. Many more rich folks will follow, until you liberals are left with the takers - have fun...

[lostincypress]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24135021

The link shows more Americans giving up their citizenship. Many more rich folks will follow, until you liberals are left with the takers - have fun...

It appears they enjoy living in countries with higher tax rates but universal healthcare. The last paragraphs provide an interesting counterpoint to the premise of the article. I don't notice the Bill Gates and Warren Buffets giving up their citizenship. I have noticed many professional athletes relocating to the United States and many citizens who still find California a nice place to live....Mitt Romney for one.

"I don't know any Americans abroad who aren't thinking about giving it up but what I say to myself is that I will fight as long and as hard as I can.
"And it's only when I've exhausted all options that I will make that appointment with the US embassy."

But others said no matter what the tax hardship, they would never switch nationalities. Being an American, said one, was more important.

The tax system in Israel:
Israel's tax laws took a major change from 1.1.2003.
According to Israel's tax reform tax is levied on personal basis, instead of the previous territorial basis, Israelis pay tax on all sources of income, in Israel and abroad.
In 2013 Israel's corporate income tax rate is 25%.
Individual income tax rates in 2013 are 10%-50%.

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[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by lostincypress

It appears they enjoy living in countries with higher tax rates but universal healthcare. The last paragraphs provide an interesting counterpoint to the premise of the article. I don't notice the Bill Gates and Warren Buffets giving up their citizenship. I have noticed many professional athletes relocating to the United States and many citizens who still find California a nice place to live....Mitt Romney for one.

"I don't know any Americans abroad who aren't thinking about giving it up but what I say to myself is that I will fight as long and as hard as I can.
"And it's only when I've exhausted all options that I will make that appointment with the US embassy."

But others said no matter what the tax hardship, they would never switch nationalities. Being an American, said one, was more important.

The tax system in Israel:
Israel's tax laws took a major change from 1.1.2003.
According to Israel's tax reform tax is levied on personal basis, instead of the previous territorial basis, Israelis pay tax on all sources of income, in Israel and abroad.
In 2013 Israel's corporate income tax rate is 25%.
Individual income tax rates in 2013 are 10%-50%.

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They aren't going to get a job.

Most wealthy expats don't care what the personal or corporate tax rate is and they aren't eligible for free health care for decades, if ever and nor do they care. They care about the tax rate on investments and consumption taxes, shelters, trusts, and things that effect them. Most countries will also court the wealthy and give them substantial discounts or one flat fee if they will move their just so they will spend money in there economy.

Bottom line is, you will never know what they pay in taxes.

[Yssup Rider]

Happy to lose you, JL/Kayla/Rocky. But you've got to agree to stop taking!

[JD Barleycorn]

@chefnerd, that is exactly why I included John Reed. He was born and bred while Emma was naturalized. What I wrote still stands.

[chefnerd]

Emma tried to use her brief marriage to Jacob Kerschner as a claim to US citizenship and never went through the naturalization process. However, that was denied and she was ruled to be an alien resident and a Russian citizen by birth.

Reed was NOT deported but traveled to Russia by his own volition.

[JD Barleycorn]

Go back and read a couple more books. Remember, you have to go by 1918-1924 standards and not today's standards. Apparently your source did so as well. Go look up Alexander Palmer, the Palmer raids, J. Edgar, anarchists, and the Red Scare....and also remember that many of the players were democrats.

[chefnerd]

Actually, the Palmer raids were after Emma was deported, although yes the hysteria surrounding the Bolshevik Revolution did contribute somewhat. All in all however, it was around 250 people deported under the acts of 1917 and 1918.

And she is generally referred to as Goldman rather than Goldberg.
Emma actually had her citizenship revoked in 1909, when the courts cancelled the citizenship of her former husband.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...DC405B898CF1D3

BTW -- Your sources are?

[JD Barleycorn]

A number of forgotten books on something I wrote a few years ago. A part of forgotten American history; wiretaps, spying, deportations of Chinese, Mexicans, Japanese, Russians and other assorted bad elements over a hundred years. Laws were twisted and sound very reasonable today if you don't know the background. The Espionage Act sounds reasonable because we had to fight World War I but how many know that it was proposed two years before the war started for the U.S. Like the Patriot Act of 2001. It was to fight terrorism but it came from 1995 where it was voted down. What war on terrorism in 1995?

Example: You could fall back on a technicality and say that the Japanese were never prisoners in the 1940s, they were detainees for their own good. We know better. They had no choice. What happens if a Japanese-American family refused to leave their home in Seattle and go to Oklahoma? They got arrested and went to Oklahoma anyway except with a loss of benefits because they became enemy civilians. Funny how government can make something reasonable sound unreasonable (and unpatriotic) just to justify government actions?