Our company is dropping our group health plan

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I like SS!

And I am going to like it even more when my long anticipated retirement date finally arrives.

It's just around the corner!

Oh gosh, I never really expected anybody here to admit that publicly

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Okay, I'll be real clear, I agree 100% that the legislative branch has no power under Obamacare to grant exemptions or tell the IRS not to enforce it. I also agree that there is a near zero chance that they have the combined intelligence to pass anything that will do so either. The same being for SS way back when, and the Supreme Court had a landmark ruling.

But none of that has anything to do with what I was talking about so I'm not sure if you just didn't get the question or you don't want to answer it and want to talk about congress? I was talking about the Executive branch and what the prez has the power to do under this law.

Fuel for further thought: How many 4 year terms by Republican Presidents have there been since Social Security became law?

Dwell on that for awhile! Once you've finished 'dwelling', let us know the year that one of those Republican Presidents was finally able to repeal SS!

Do you see the similarities yet? If not, you should!

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Oh gosh, I never really expected anybody here to admit that publicly

I like SS!

And I am going to like it even more when my long anticipated retirement date finally arrives.

It's just around the corner!

Hello, you've heard it twice now!

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

didn't you also claim that the doctors under your employ would be told not to treat patients with policies obtained through an exchange?

If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance...If not, then refresh our memories, please.

What I said was the doctors are not involved in the financial side of the business. They get a paycheck just like a McDonald's worker does, only bigger. We own the hospitals, clinics, pay the staff, utilities etc. They simply concentrate on, and provide the BEST health care in every state that we are in all the while free from the burdens of having to try and manage a business at the same time they are trying to practice medicine. But if someone stumbled in with a gunshot wound or serious injury, of course no one would tell a doctor not to treat that patient, insurance or not.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Fuel for further thought: How many 4 year terms by Republican Presidents have there been since Social Security became law?

Dwell on that for awhile! Once you've finished 'dwelling', let us know the year that one of those Republican Presidents was finally able to repeal SS!

Do you see the similarities yet? If not, you should!

Nothing to dwell on, the executive branch has never, before or after SS, had the power to repeal a law, only congress has that ability. Learned that in 5th grade and never dwelled on it again.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by bigtex

We might as well come to grips with the fact that Obamacare is now the law of the land! For the next 75 years,

No. We should NEVER just "come to grips" and accept tyranny. This law is NOT about health care. It is about CONTROL! I will oppose and resist tyranny, regardless of the party behind it.

You can go ahead and embrace statism if you want, bend over and let government shove nationalistic jingoism up your ass while a portrait of George Orwell sheds a tear. Not me. Never.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I like SS!

And I am going to like it even more when my long anticipated retirement date finally arrives.

It's just around the corner!

Hello, you've heard it twice now!

Where are my manners, CONGRATULATIOONS on your upcoming retirement!!!! Okay back to politics

[IIFFOFRDB]

Osocmeds...ohh shit we are fucked.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Nothing to dwell on, the executive branch has never, before or after SS, had the power to repeal a law, only congress has that ability. Learned that in 5th grade and never dwelled on it again.

Apparently you did not learn the lesson very well in the 5th grade. You sure were dwelling on it ALOT yesterday evening. It was you who first asked the question about why Obama can get the law passed and drew the analogy that a future Republican President should be able to repeal it. I merely expanded on your analogy. That being that this law was very similar to Social Security and future Republican Administrations have not been able to muster up the votes to repeal that legislation. Obamacare will be no different!

Live with it, cuz' it's NOT going away! It suspect it will be tweaked and/or fine tuned many times in the future. But it will NOT go away!

Yes, it would have been much easier to repeal the legislation before the law takes effect in 2014. But two things occurred, both in 2012, that sealed Obamacare's long term solvency. That being (1) the landmark Supreme Court decision quickly followed by (2) Obama's re-election.

Don't look now but it has been downhill ever since!

The Republicans can bitch! They can moan! They can complain! And they will do all three repeatedly! But they are not going to stop it.

Why?

Because Obamacare is NOW the LAW OF THE LAND!

Learn to live with it!

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

No. We should NEVER just "come to grips" and accept tyranny.

Thanks for your updated report from your Hanoi bunker, COG. How's Jane?

Be sure to check back in occasionally. Let us know how things are going from y'alls elaborate bunker in Hanoi. Ya hear!!!!!

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Where are my manners, CONGRATULATIOONS on your upcoming retirement!!!!

Thanks, I have been very fortunate. I entered the civilian workforce in 1973 after fulfilling a 4 year commitment to the US Army. I graduated from UH and have had a job ever since. I have quit or retired from 4 jobs since I left the military and always began a new career the following Monday. I have never been laid off and never been fired. For that matter, I have never been disciplined. I have (hopefully) invested well! More importantly, I am in good health and never had a life threatening illness or disease! As I said, I have been very fortunate.

With all of that said, I am looking forward to my upcoming retirement and benefitting from the much maligned (supplemented by the guvment) social programs that will be available to me.

As for my retirement plans, I plan on doing a lot of huntin' and fishin'. In no particular order!

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I like SS!

And I am going to like it even more when my long anticipated retirement date finally arrives.

It's just around the corner!

I hit the big 67 in A few months, I will start drawing my full SS. The day I do, I will get up and be at my business the same as I have been doing for the majority of my adult life.

The best thing that ever happenned was when the Government said that you didn't actually have to "retire" to get your SS.

I plan on spending my SS, (what I have left after they take half of it back in taxes), on whores, or in my case, one in particular.

Sort of my way of sticking it to them, getting back at the man, thumbing my nose at the authorities, etc.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

I hit the big 67 in A few months, I will start drawing my full SS. The day I do, I will get up and be at my business the same as I have been doing for the majority of my adult life.

The best thing that ever happenned was when the Government said that you didn't actually have to "retire" to get your SS.

I plan on spending my SS, (what I have left after they take half of it back in taxes), on whores, or in my case, one in particular.

Sort of my way of sticking it to them, getting back at the man, thumbing my nose at the authorities, etc.

Good luck, you earned it! Enjoy!

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Apparently you did not learn the lesson very well in the 5th grade. You sure were dwelling on it ALOT yesterday evening. It was you who first asked the question about why Obama can get the law passed and drew the analogy that a future Republican President should be able to repeal it. I merely expanded on your analogy. That being that this law was very similar to Social Security and future Republican Administrations have not been able to muster up the votes to repeal that legislation. Obamacare will be no different!

Live with it, cuz' it's NOT going away! It suspect it will be tweaked and/or fine tuned many times in the future. But it will NOT go away!

Yes, it would have been much easier to repeal the legislation before the law takes effect in 2014. But two things occurred, both in 2012, that sealed Obamacare's long term solvency. That being (1) the landmark Supreme Court decision quickly followed by (2) Obama's re-election.

Don't look now but it has been downhill ever since!

The Republicans can bitch! They can moan! They can complain! And they will do all three repeatedly! But they are not going to stop it.

Why?

Because Obamacare is NOW the LAW OF THE LAND!

Learn to live with it!



Thanks for your updated report from your Hanoi bunker, COG. How's Jane?

Be sure to check back in occasionally. Let us know how things are going from y'alls elaborate bunker in Hanoi. Ya hear!!!!!

Go back and read, I never said a president has the power to repeal a law, not SS or Obamacare. Obviously you do not have an answer, which is fine. My only statement was that a Republican president will have the same power under the provisions of this law that Obama does, which is to order the IRS to not enforce the law at his discretion and the ability to grant exemptions to anyone he chooses. Both of which the next Republican president will do.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Both of which the next Republican president will do.

Not so fast! By the time a Republican becomes President (probably 2025) the law will have been implemented, fully in effect and gaining momentum.

Apparently you like to compare apples to oranges. After all, they are both fruity!

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Not so fast! By the time a Republican becomes President (probably 2025 at the earliest) the law will have been implemented, fully in effect and rolling downhill.

Apparently you like to compare apples to oranges. After all, they are both fruity!

Both, which was referring to the president having the authority to grant exemptions and order the IRS to not enforce the law under the provisions of this law.

You can keep looking, but the only comparison I made was between what a democrat president has the authority to do under this law, and what a republican president will have the authority to do under this law. Apples to apples.