Main Menu |
Most Favorited Images |
Recently Uploaded Images |
Most Liked Images |
Top Reviewers |
cockalatte |
646 |
MoneyManMatt |
490 |
Still Looking |
399 |
samcruz |
399 |
Jon Bon |
396 |
Harley Diablo |
377 |
honest_abe |
362 |
DFW_Ladies_Man |
313 |
Chung Tran |
288 |
lupegarland |
287 |
nicemusic |
285 |
You&Me |
281 |
Starscream66 |
280 |
George Spelvin |
265 |
sharkman29 |
255 |
|
Top Posters |
DallasRain | 70796 | biomed1 | 63334 | Yssup Rider | 61040 | gman44 | 53297 | LexusLover | 51038 | offshoredrilling | 48679 | WTF | 48267 | pyramider | 46370 | bambino | 42779 | CryptKicker | 37222 | The_Waco_Kid | 37138 | Mokoa | 36496 | Chung Tran | 36100 | Still Looking | 35944 | Mojojo | 33117 |
|
|
View Poll Results: Is he a Hero or traitor?
|
Hero - NSA has no right to collect our phone data
|
|
33 |
46.48% |
Traitor - Pursue him and punish
|
|
26 |
36.62% |
Not sure yet
|
|
13 |
18.31% |
06-10-2013, 06:29 PM
|
#1
|
Valued Poster
Join Date: Jul 18, 2009
Location: Houston
Posts: 867
|
Edward Snowden. Traitor or Hero?
Vote and comment on this former NSA employee and Booz Allen and Hamilton contractor
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-10-2013, 06:57 PM
|
#2
|
In the Lost & Found pile!
User ID: 52710
Join Date: Nov 3, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 643
My ECCIE Reviews
|
Im gonna vote "whistle blower"!!
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-10-2013, 07:15 PM
|
#3
|
Valued Poster
Join Date: Nov 2, 2010
Location: Down Under
Posts: 280
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abigail (Source of JOY)
Im gonna vote "whistle blower"!!
|
Abi.....you can blow my whistle
|
|
Quote
| 2 users liked this post
|
06-10-2013, 07:41 PM
|
#4
|
Verified Member
Join Date: Feb 7, 2012
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,548
|
He should be afforded whatever protections whistle blowers get under our laws. However, if it turns out that he exposed more than the whistle blower laws protect, then he should be prosecuted for it as well.
|
|
Quote
| 4 users liked this post
|
06-10-2013, 11:51 PM
|
#5
|
DarkSide MOD
Join Date: Jan 3, 2010
Location: South Of Pearland
Posts: 9,414
|
I am not sure yet.
I work in IT and we all sign an agreement stating that all information that we administer is "privately owned and not to be revealed under threat of prosecution".
If everyone who worked in a top security position revealed what they saw, we would probably go into our houses and hide or go up into the mountains and hide.
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 08:50 AM
|
#6
|
Verified Member
Join Date: Feb 7, 2012
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,548
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthMaul
I am not sure yet.
I work in IT and we all sign an agreement stating that all information that we administer is "privately owned and not to be revealed under threat of prosecution".
If everyone who worked in a top security position revealed what they saw, we would probably go into our houses and hide or go up into the mountains and hide.
|
Essentially from what I understand, whistle-blower laws are meant to protect people from specifically those types of agreements employers make them sign if they report on employers doing illegal activities.
Regardless of legal protection under the law though, your career is ruined the second you blow the whistle on any corporation. No one is ever going to hire you again.
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 08:58 AM
|
#7
|
Valued Poster
Join Date: Jan 15, 2012
Location: Not where I wanna be
Posts: 21,040
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbravo_123
Essentially from what I understand, whistle-blower laws are meant to protect people from specifically those types of agreements employers make them sign if they report on employers doing illegal activities.
Regardless of legal protection under the law though, your career is ruined the second you blow the whistle on any corporation. No one is ever going to hire you again.
|
What illegal activity did his employer commit? If you mean tracking a phone call then telecommunications have been doing that from day one.
I'm surprised that anyone is surprised that this data is collected.
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 09:30 AM
|
#8
|
Verified Member
Join Date: Feb 7, 2012
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,548
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorian Gray
What illegal activity did his employer commit? If you mean tracking a phone call then telecommunications have been doing that from day one.
I'm surprised that anyone is surprised that this data is collected.
|
That's the rub, isn't it? (which is why I voted I'm not sure yet)
Given all the powers that were granted in the Patriot Act, it's questionable as to what the NSA was doing is actually illegal.
I'm not surprised, but it's something that philosophically we've been against as a country (widespread searches without a specific goal vs narrow targeted searches). However, given the climate of post-9/11, it's not surprising in the least.
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 09:44 AM
|
#9
|
Valerie's Mod Husband
Join Date: Dec 13, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 28,030
|
He's not a whistle blower because no laws were broken by the NSA...
He's a criminal who violated the terms of his security clearance...simple...
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 09:45 AM
|
#10
|
Account Disabled
Join Date: Jan 5, 2010
Posts: 25,367
|
Even if he witness or was a part of some illegal activity, he was under no oblgation to reveal what he was a witness too. If he becomes a whistle blower at this point. He is ruined. No one will ever hire him again and if he does win anything.....he will have lost so much....It will not have been worth it in the first place Such positions have to sign confidentiality agreements and you just cant reveal what you see or know. That's been my experience.
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 09:52 AM
|
#11
|
Valued Poster
Join Date: Jan 15, 2012
Location: Not where I wanna be
Posts: 21,040
|
Again... I'm typing this slowly. W-h-a-t l-a-w w-a-s b-r-o-k-e-n?
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 10:02 AM
|
#12
|
Valued Poster
Join Date: Dec 21, 2009
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 3,323
|
He knowingly risked all for the sake of principle, and that is exactly why - to this day - we still hold Sam Adams, Paul Revere, the signatories to the Declaration of Independence, Nathan Hale, et al, in highest esteem.
It's very interesting to me which politicians jump on the "traitor" bandwagon. Boehner, for example. What a surprise! Rand Paul has the best take on the matter I've so far heard.
Snowden did an heroic thing; he's an unlikely looking hero...but aren't they all.
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 11:36 AM
|
#13
|
manposse
Join Date: Dec 28, 2009
Location: Htown, SA, DFW
Posts: 3,408
|
Do you think the government has curtailed any of its data mining activities?
They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 01:14 PM
|
#14
|
Valerie's Mod Husband
Join Date: Dec 13, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 28,030
|
Dorian, it's not working...the righteous indignation is running too strong...
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
06-11-2013, 01:33 PM
|
#15
|
Valued Poster
Join Date: Dec 21, 2009
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 3,323
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorian Gray
Again... I'm typing this slowly. W-h-a-t l-a-w w-a-s b-r-o-k-e-n?
|
PRISM is probably entirely lawful. So was the Stamp Act. So was sending American citizens of Jap ancestry to concentration camps during WWII. The Wansee Protocol was 100% legal under German law.
I think Snowden realized he was a participant on the wrong side in the low intensity war being waged by the government of the USA against the American nation and he didn't want to have to live with that.
|
|
Quote
| 1 user liked this post
|
|
AMPReviews.net |
Find Ladies |
Hot Women |
|