The first 15-20 mins Free to Walk Away policy...

[Zabrina Sarafina]

I've seen very few providers actually openly advertise this ...though I am sure it happens quite more often in actual experiences.

If both people or one person feels that the chemistry isn't there they are free to walk away no further questions asked or drama (other than whatever applicable travel fee etc).... of course it may be an embarrassing awkward situation for both people but better than going through with it and regretting it afterwards when you know you could have canceled it

How many of you support this?

And how about where the provider actually offers a public meet & greet for a listed fee...

I wonder how many people would choose to carry on with the date if they had a chance to 'test' it out....with a chance to escape ;P

[RedLeg505]

I ALWAYS consider it my right to cancel, even when we are face to face. I've done it before, especially back in the day when I was calling yellow pages ads for escorts and some half-looped, drugged out of her mind, skin and bones creature with "driver" shows up at my door. I paid a "travel fee" of $50 or $100 and said "Thanks for coming, drive home safely".

As for if a provider offered a M&G for a listed fee, if the fee wasn't too outrageous and the distance wasn't too far, I might take them up on it for the first meeting.

I have yet to "carry on with the date" if there was no chemistry, no click, no attraction. Hasn't happened to me yet here in this hobby community (knock on wood) but it has in the past and I never tried to "just keep going to get off".

In any event.. avoiding such a fate is why we have to RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH.

[Zabrina Sarafina]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

In any event.. avoiding such a fate is why we have to RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH.

Exactly. I personally am way too polite to walk away, that would be so cold LOL, but thankfully rarely have I been in the position in wanting to do so, which I'm not sure is due to just the kind of awesome people I tend to naturally attract or my amazing bubbly dweeby personality in being able to get along with almost everyone

oh and I can't imagine being walked away from! Even if I'm not completely responsible for making the chemistry happen, I would feel ...upset

[DinDC]

Back in 2002 a provider in Southern California told me that when we met, if she wasn't my cup-of-tea, we could just shake hands and walk away as friends. That's the first and only time I've ever heard a provider say anything along those lines in my ~15 year history in this hobby.

And BTW - she WAS my cup-of-tea and we saw each other every time I went to So Cal after that (often multiple times on each trip), until she retired in 2006. I still see her doubles partner when I go out there now...

[RedLeg505]

Originally Posted by Zabrina Sarafina

oh and I can't imagine being walked away from! Even if I'm not completely responsible for making the chemistry happen, I would feel ...upset

I have yet to see ANY provider on P411 that would warrant being walked away from. As I said, it takes a really horrible experience like the drugged out example I described originally to make that happen for me, and none of the ladies here fit that.

Now, have I had a session with a provider that was my type, perfectly fit what I like, sweet, sassy, personable, pleasant, and after our hour, we both knew that we just never "clicked". It wasn't unpleasant and I got my money's worth, but, she won't be at the top of the list of Providers I contact for a repeat. Not her fault, not mine. Sometimes, two people just don't "click". Accept it and go from there. Don't ever feel upset if the two of you tried and it just didn't work. Those things happen.

[Zabrina Sarafina]

Yes even though research is usually reliable, sometimes in person it's not always what you were hoping to experience. And it's not always wise to play the blame game ...and just it go let it be

As for public meet & greets ....sometimes you may make an instant connection and sometimes if you choose to judge and dismiss someone largely by their appearance in such a setting ....you may miss out on how they really are and how well you may both get along behind the scenes ...lol!

I love Blind dates

[awl4knot]

I've seen two ladies who required a pre-session meeting. The first met me at a nice restaurant for drinks and appetizers at no charge so we could size each other up. She liked my size - I liked hers and we consummated our friendship the following week.

The other lady wanted to meet at a bar (named O 'Malley's) before the session for the same reason. This was a little riskier because I was providing the hotel room for outcall and I would have to absorb that cost if we did not clicked. No worries because we clicked.

Both of them were ultra low volume who valued safety and compatibility. And once they were comfortable with you good things happened.

In the typical in call situation a guy has three to five minutes to sell himself and make the lady comfortable. If he fails the result is going to be predictable: a so so session and the feeling that he and the provider didn't click. This is why first impressions are so important.

Although in theory both parties have the right to back out of a session if things aren't right, in practice it is hard. If I see a provider downtown it costs me $25 in tolls and parking and I've consumed a $20 tablet to support my fellow traveler so if I bail I'm out $45 plus the time spent on grooming (you know what I mean) and other preparations. And the humiliation and anger of rejection might be hard to swallow but it would be better than paying a lot of money for a piss poor effort.

[Cpalmson]

The only thing I've seen remotely like this is in a provider ad who says "if I'm not the girl in the picture, then you don't put the money in my hand." Basically, she saying if you think it is bait and switch, you can bail no questions asked.

As for a M&G before committing to a session, yes but only if the M&G was off the clock. If the lady "requires" a M&G to determine if she wants to sleep with you, then it should be a cost of doing business for her. I most likely would not agree to an on the clock M&G. Only way I might consider is if she "refunds" the fee if/when we slip between the sheets. As mentioned before, there are costs on our end as well when getting ready for a date-- never mind the fact that it is already a p4p situation. Finally, I would never get an outcall hotel room if I wasn't sure BCD would happen. If there was a M&G, the room would be secured only after the M&G went well.

[ck1942]

The gentleman seeking an appointment has all of the tools to research. Reviews, ads, photos, websites, etc.

If a tool or some data is missing. doubtful or lacking, he has the right, indeed, the responsibility to request the same.

Ditto, imo ladies are responsible booking or not booking with known "serial" no show or no go clients same as NCNS jerks..

When a hobbyist then proceeds with or without such data, imo he has the obligation to follow through with the appointment.

If she shows, the gent is obligated to compensate the lady for her hour(s) time whether he engages or not.

Just like an airline, the lady*** doesn't have the opportunity to "rebook" a hour or two if a gent no shows or no goes.

Even when prepaying for a refundable ticket for an airplane flight you might still be assessed a $200 "change fee" for rescheduling the flight later. And, with some airlines, you might forfeit the entire fare*** when no showing for a discount seat.

**I am aware of several airlines (much more so car rental agencies) that either blacklist certain repeat customers or upcharge the next time the customer attempts to buy a seat or rent a car. And most dental practices and medical practices have much the same penalties, too, for missing a chair appointment or a medical appointment.

Providers, of course, have a potent tool in blacklisting clients and making sure other providers know of clients to who "show but no go" same with NCNS jerks.

[speeedracer]

especially for security purposes, i'm surprised more providers don't offer a m&g, especially for those whom they've never met.

i've yet to see someone advertise a no-strings-attached policy within the first few minutes of the appointment if either party feels like going through with it.

but as cpalmson said, i have seen occasionally the 'you don't have to pay if i'm not the girl in the picture...' guarantee.

i think they're all great provisions, because it not only gives a feeling of security for the providers but the hobbiests as well.

[pyramider]

15-20 minutes??? WTF! I am done in two minutes and I am not about to allow Zabrina Sarafina, or any other lady, to interfere with my nap time.







Several ladies used to advertise those types of deals, I thinck two have moved on in life. I have never had any issue of wanting to leave after the door opens. But I am selective, meaning I do my research, and generally already have a report with the lady.

[Keyhole Arc Blow]

Unless something was seriously amiss, I'd never walk out on an appointment. Other members may be looking for something more than just carnal passion during their dates, but for me anything beyond the physical is just a delightful extra.

I wouldn't walk out for a few reasons; one being that I already took the time to get ready and make the necessary arrangements, not to mention getting excited about the date. She also took the time to get ready(hopefully) and made the necessary arrangements. The second reason being that provider's don't advertise chemistry or "a connection", they advertise a great experience. Last time I checked getting a nice BJ and her ridding me like a jocky in the Kentucky Derby is still a great experience in my book, connection or not. Third reason is like stated above it'd probably make her feel not great. Unless she stated I can leave if I'm not feelin it then she probably isn't expecting me to just get up and leave. I'd rather not be the reason the provider feels like shit the rest of the day. Something kinda similar to this happened in west texas section and the guy was put on blast. I don't want to burn bridges I haven't even crossed yet just because of an ok visit.

Of course all this goes out the window if something doesn't seem right. All my gentlemanly ways take a back seat to self preservation. That's to be expected of anybody though.

[alex_reece]

I saw a provider, and after weeks of scheduling an appointment we finally meet. I was instantly turned off and not in the mood. Maybe due to weeks of deliberations and scheduling conflicts.

Regardless, I still acted gentlemanly and I surely didn't cancel. Don't know if I could have.

[kusmaldo]

its always your right to cancel,if the pics were fake than yeah,i've cancelled before no big deal.

[JohnnyCap]

It's amazing to me how one sided the comments are in favor of the provider. This is a business and even though its a "dirty hands" business, the general spirit should be that a good deal is good for both parties. Fair to both. This is not charity and it is not gentlemanly to just give up the dough and pay if she isn't holding up her end. Both parties go to an expense to arrange an experience but one party is the vendor, the provider, the entity looking to profit, and that party has to accept there is a cost to doing business. A restauranteer, a retail shop, even a PT dealer has an up front cost that they may not recoup if they don't produce a quality product.

A recent verified provider would beat the shit out of me at the slightest perceived indiscretion on my part, but if she was hours late or unprepared she would take no responsibility. You can't do business with a person like that. If you go to a restaurant and don't like the menu in the window you can move on, and the same should be true here. Now, if a girl came to my room or home and I turned her away, I would absolutely tip her to keep good faith.

A meet and greet should be free; if the party selling were pushing any other product than pussy, the seller would buy the refreshments. You shop for cars, furniture, appliances, you can have a bottle of water or coffee while you look. This is different? Only due to some misguided chivalry. Of course I can see buying a lady a drink, and I have. It does affect the mood, and positively. But for the purposes of discussion, it is valid to look at the transaction the other way.

Gentleman, if you crawl out of your scrotum and look objectively at the big picture, it is ridiculous and unconscionable that we are required to pay up front. Why, so that we don't rip them off? The kettle is calling the pot black. This is America, innocent until proven guilty. I do not assume you are a thief up front, and I'll not have it done of me.

How many of you would do any sort of business with another party if that other party's mantra was, "anything can happen, as long as I don't lose money."