Are these 501c4 political groups formed for more than anything other than politics?

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by austxjr

No, the profiling happened with a landslide of admittedly political organizations applying for 501(C)(4) status after Citizens United.

That's not true. The profiling began in 2010 when there were around 1500 applications filed. According to the IG's report that number was a reduction in filings from the previous year. Filings swelled to around 3500 in 2012 but in 2010 the IRS was not seeing any uptick in requests for exempt status. In fact it was just the opposite.

[Guest032516]

Just eliminate the tax exempt status of all of them.

There will be a whole lot less of them to monitor, then.

[CuteOldGuy]

[WTF]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Just eliminate the tax exempt status of all of them.

There will be a whole lot less of them to monitor, then.

[Whirlaway]

Monkeying around with an already fucked up Tax Code, for the sole purpose of fixing this problem, is the wrong approach..............

The whole tax code should be thrown out - along with the IRS - and a Fair Tax, or some other simpler system adopted.

[Whirlaway]

And the the IRS harassment wasn't directed solely at the 501-4-C groups (which can do political activity); it included the 5-1-C-3 charitable groups as well......

So your proposal would destroy charitable groups like the American Red Cross.


And your proposal wouldn't put a stop to the business and personal IRS audits of Obama's political enemies that happened...........

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by WTF

I'm not a lawyer...but I would need to see what law was broken before sending anyone to jail.

But you know that is not how this game is played.

If a special prosecutor is appointed, then the Administration will go into a defensive mode. They will circle the wagons, a certain panic will set in. Since multitudes of people will have been involved in all of this, they will start trying to get everybody's story straight.

But it never works. Some lower level hack will panic, (the thought of time in Leavenworth does that), and the story will have to be modified, but since you are already locked into half truths so to make it look right at a given moment, everybody will forget what they were supposed to say and start trying to cover their own asses.

Congress will catch one person in a lie, then another, and next thing you know, we have, "what did the President know, and when did he know it".

They NEVER get you for the "crime", which in most cases is rather minor. They get you under oath, telling half truths and using talking points, and you then realize that lying before Congress can land your ass in jail.

Right now, it's all about protecting Hillary. She is the future for keeping the White House till some of us die of old age. I still think that the whole "crime" in the Benghazi thing was not the ineptitude shown after the attack, but the ineptitude that was shown before. Any body with an ounce of common sense knows that in a Hot Spot such as that, you do not leave your embassy with virtually no protection, especially on the anniversary of one of the greatest victories the Islamic Terrorist can claim against the Western Civilizations. All done in the name "don't offend the Muslims"

The question is, how many political hacks does it take to sink a Presidency? Even a future one? History, as in John Dean, tells us only one,

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Monkeying around with an already fucked up Tax Code, for the sole purpose of fixing this problem, is the wrong approach..............

The whole tax code should be thrown out - along with the IRS - and a Fair Tax, or some other simpler system adopted.

Hey Trendy, WTF happened to Benghazi? Seems as though your panties are now all wadded up over the IRS. A few short days ago, they were all wadded up over Benghazi. You have shown yourself to be a basket case waiting for a new crisis to occur!

Unwad your panties before your head explodes from the bottom up!

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Hey Trendy, WTF happened to Benghazi? Seems as though your panties are now all wadded up over the IRS. A few short days ago, they were all wadded up over Benghazi. You have shown yourself to be a basket case waiting for a new crisis to occur!

Unwad your panties before your head explodes from the bottom up!

With Obama and his criminal gangstas you have to be able to multitask to keep up with all the scandals.

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by WTF

I do not want a witch hunt. I do not want Ken Starr starting withe Whitewater and then going after a blowjob.

I want the numbers. That does not need a SP. But is they want to limit the SP to the numbers...ok. Call in an apolitical 12 grade math major...adding up the number of groups that applied for 5014c status in that time frame can not be that difficult. Nor can counting the number who were reviewed. Nor can finding out if the ratio are close.

That is pretty simple math.

But I suspect you want a witch hunt.

I want the numbers...if they don't add up, I want those responsible fired. Case closed.

With this transparent administration it should be pretty easy to pull those numbers.

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Just eliminate the tax exempt status of all of them.

There will be a whole lot less of them to monitor, then.

Amen....if they want to have their little organizations, they can pay taxes like everyone else. Or do away with the whole damn thing and move to the Fair Tax and all this type of shit goes away.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

Amen....if they want to have their little organizations, they can pay taxes like everyone else. Or do away with the whole damn thing and move to the Fair Tax and all this type of shit goes away.

This should be the real story....do away with these 501c4's.

Quit having the taxpayers support your chairty.

Quit hiding your donorers under the guise of some tax exempt...

We the public should be able to follow the money in politics. These 501c4's are making that harder.

That is the real scandle here. That they approved any of these political groups. They should jerk them all both left and right wing. I hope that is what comes of this , which is to say tax reform. Some of these folks better watch what they wish for.

These right wing 501's are like a bunch of crooks bitching that the government is not going after the other crooks....while they have a valid point, they forget they are fucking crooks too.

[i'va biggen]

You all can thank the SCOTUS for this!!!!

[Randy4Candy]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Just eliminate the tax exempt status of all of them.

There will be a whole lot less of them to monitor, then.

A-fucking-men!

[Whirlaway]

American Red Cross; the American Cancer Society; et al.....................?

Nope !

Why would you want the American Cancer Society to pay taxes on it's revenue ?

Do away with the current system and replace it with the Fair Tax !

[Randy4Candy]

Originally Posted by austxjr

#8 - Because of Nixon's abuses of the IRS Congress made the IRS a semi-autonomous agency and firewalled all political communication between the IRS and WH off. Screams that Obama isn't in charge of the IRS are absurd since that is exactly what Congress intended. Conservatives didn't scream that Bush wasn't in charge of the military (though he WAS Commander in Chief) - and got a nice little plane ride onto an aircraft carrier, too - when Abu Ghraib happened and they completely accepted that it was only low level soldiers who perpetrated torture and killing. Are you really saying that questions and delays of conservatives are far worse than torture and killing of POWs (though they are foreigners aren't they?).

That's because they don't have the irrational hatred for Shrub that they have for Obama. Anyone see any "compassionate conservatism" around here lately?