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Old 05-02-2013, 10:51 PM   #1
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Default Criminalize Advertising that Compels Prostitution; Proposed Legislation and Media Response

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...l/SB00094I.HTM.

This legislation targets advertisers (sponsor State Senator Leticia Van De Putte said ECCIE, specifically)
"[it is crime under this part for publishing] advertisement that the defendant knows or reasonably should know constitutes promotion of prostitution or aggravated promotion of prostitution, and the publication of the advertisement results in compelling prostitution ..."
... meanwhile, the FBI is taking and processing FOIA requests for investigations related to ECCIE. Yep. The Feds.

https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-...eccienet-5163/

Media is Jumping on It... domestically...

Huff Post: ECCIE is YELP for Escorts (5/2/13)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3196198.html

http://jezebel.com/website-lets-user...-res-486128067

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/04/29/i...e-prostitutes/

... gaining some attention internationally as well:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...nu-orders.html

Success brings scrutiny. Possibly a hammer? Things appear to be heating up. Presumably they been simmering awhile. We may need to call Alan Dershowitz. Not just yet ... will update.

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Old 05-02-2013, 10:57 PM   #2
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:10 PM   #3
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Interesting article. Continues to amaze me what the government will put funding & work towards... rather than solve crime, fix hunger, optimize our education system...

They want to fix the one thing that keeps marriage rates from skyrocketing...the ability for a man to find an attractive woman to have sex with.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:51 PM   #4
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... meanwhile, the FBI is taking and processing FOIA requests for investigations related to ECCIE. Yep. The Feds.
That in and of itself is not a concern. You would get the exact same identical response if you filed an FOIA request asking for a copy of all FBI investigations of Darth Vader.

The increased state scrutiny *is* a concern. If ECCIE is physically hosted in Texas, the state could conceivably shut it down. The personal liability of its owners to legal action is also a concern (as I imagine they are well aware).

There is a reason I am paranoid. They *are* all out to get me.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:35 AM   #5
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1st - remember it is election season in Texas. Actually, it's almost always election season in Texas even if the voting is 9 months away.

2nd - Federal statutes and case law pre-empt any state action against web sites and ISP hosts. However, that doesn't prevent or stop Legislatures from making laws they cannot easily enforce. Nor prevent websites from financial exposure in mounting a legal defense.

Think Albuquerque, big doggie, TER and other assorted previous and past issues. Attorneys General & CL, BP, etc. And many local busts.

Aside from all of the above, recall that Escorts.com was an entirely different issue - money laundering, etc., not the P.
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:13 PM   #6
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To add to what ck said, the "lege" is in session, as well. Now for a bit of a segue - some months back I cautioned about a former eccie provider who had gotten herself in a serious jam and was facing some real hard time. There was a statutory minimum sentence for her crime. I was admonished by the mods for not being circumspect enough, though I only divulged the providers handle to one other member via PM. The legal system has run its course, and lo and behold she is still free. If there is an investigation of eccie in progress there is a distinct possibility that she could be participating since she got off with a virtual hand-slap. I have more information should anyone be interested. I believe her to be a potential hazard for several reasons - first, her crime was violent, and it wasn't a first offense, second, she may be certifiable, and third, she left the eccie community on less than happy circumstances. If this post crosses the line again I will refrain from further comment, but I believe it to be a reasonable warning.
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:25 PM   #7
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Since all of this is all fantasy stories, why do they care?
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:30 PM   #8
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Good info. I suggest that we take down the monuments to Lance and put up a historical sign denoting the old guy town of old around the several blocks around city hall.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:40 PM   #9
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The lege won't pass that bill b/c I'm sure some of the male legislators like their options open...
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:36 PM   #10
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Thanks for the link to the Bill text. It is an interesting read for several reason, starting with the surprising fact that this is a proposed addition to the Texas CIVIL Code and not the Criminal Code although it repeatedly references the Criminal Code for definitions, possibly confusing some readers. What this bill does is authorize a person who has been compelled (as defined by the Criminal Code) to commit prostitution (as defined in the Criminal Code) to sue the person or persons who so compelled them in civil court for damages. It is an idea that some people may have a hard time "wrapping their mind around" - it would allow a person who was, for instance, beaten into doing sex work to sue *the pimp who beat him or her. There is no presumption about the gender of the victim/plaintiff.

The standard of proof in Civil cases, you will recall, is a preponderance of the credible evidence rather than the much more difficult (when a rich man is being tried anyway) beyond a reasonable doubt standard used in Criminal cases. So it would be potentially more difficult for a pimp to defend himself against the consequences of his actions in a law suit than a prosecution brought by a prosecutor.

Another interesting set of provisions excludes as a defense from a law suit filed under this new provision of the Civil Code, should it pass, the absence of a conviction or prosecution of the defendant for prostitution related charges under the Criminal Code and whether the defendant:

(B)**is related to the victim by affinity or
* consanguinity, has been in a consensual sexual relationship with
* the victim, or has resided with the victim in a household; or
* *******************(C)**has paid or otherwise compensated the victim
* for prostitution; or
* *************(2)**the victim:
* *******************(A)**volunt arily engaged in prostitution before
* or after the compelled prostitution occurred; or
* *******************(B)**did not attempt to escape, flee, or otherwise
* terminate contact with the defendant at the time the compelled
* prostitution allegedly occurred.

While I am not an attorney or even a non-attorney spokesperson for one I think a pimp sued under the provision of this Act, should it pass and be signed by Governor Rick, would probably be well advised to sell his mink hat and coat and settle out of court,

Now about that provision. Sec. 98A.002 (3) which reads:

LIABILITY. (a) *A defendant is liable to a
* victim of compelled prostitution, as provided by this chapter, for
* damages arising from the compelled prostitution if the defendant:

(3)**publishes an advertisement that the defendant
* knows or reasonably should know constitutes promotion of
* prostitution or aggravated promotion of prostitution, and the
* publication of the advertisement results in compelling
* prostitution with respect to the victim.

All of which means, IMHO, that posting a BP ad is sufficient evidence that the pimp defendant is liable for damages if the jury believes the prostitution that resulted from the publication of the ad was “compelled”. That part appears to be a matter of whose word the jury is willing to take: the victim of the guy in the mink hat or the guy wearing the mink hat himself. Whose credibility would you bet on? I do not see any liability at all for the media entity which “published” the ad. I’m quite sure that the owners of all such media operating in Texas are taking advice of counsel now from guys who do charge by the hour.

Anyway, Senator Van de Putte is a Democrat and this is a State controlled by a Republican Party that opposes anything proposed by any Democrat anywhere regardless of its merits. That is even before referring to its Prime Principal which is “The businessman is always right.” Clearly in a dispute between a pimp and a sex worker the pimp is the businessman and the sex worker is only a worker so whom the Party would favor is not hard to predict.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:16 PM   #11
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Prostitution =/= Human Trafficking, but they sure are trying to paint the practice with that brush.

Sure it's a money maker for the vermin to put people to work in and cash based, but not th only thing that could meet that description and making prostitution illegal makes that worse not better.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:25 PM   #12
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Things to read or skim:

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...l/SB00484I.HTM

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs...l/SB00094I.HTM

http://www.texaspolicy.com/sites/def...-MarcLevin.pdf

http://legiscan.com/TX/bill/SB484/2013

Yeahs and Nays here, http://legiscan.com/TX/rollcall/SB484/id/284167

Appropriations (including amounts allocated to prostitution prevention), http://www.lbb.state.tx.us/Appropria.../Conf_Bill.pdf

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Old 07-04-2013, 03:13 AM   #13
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Never understood why eccie would not just call itself a polyamory website. Sometimes the relationships only last 30 minutes.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:41 AM   #14
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With this in mind won't they go after the members as well?
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:02 AM   #15
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Boobs McGee,

Given the sheer size and geographically dispersity of the time-for-sale trade, this recent legislative initiative presents no real change or threat. Helicopter view. Given small but modest appropriation Trees does not anticipate new spate of undercover ops and sting ops, though it would be foolish not to be a little paranoid if it makes one cooler and more careful.

Proponents of going after the facilitators (including advertisers) would likely target BP first, but the first bill was "sweeping" to include Boards and ECCIE was named during the reading of the bill. Grow in size, quality, host ever increasing trove of original content, post pics and detailed accounts (of fantasies, not real events)), attention ever more captured.

Unlike CL that folded sex ads under pressure, BP would scratch and kick and fight; its collects tens of millions of dollars in ad revenue. BP would hire Alan Dershowitz and probably win (1st Amendment) if it was Federal; States remains a big question, noting that Texas legislators are persistent and creative in the law proposing/making process. Texas at the forefront again!

Come down from chopper view, how it looks from Member-View?

There has been no better time to be Bob Hobby or Jane Provider. That's Trees view today. Independence Day, 2013. Happy one to all.

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