Why are guys afraid of P411 ?

[Guest122922]

Listen, I know in this crazy world that everyone is more concerned about getting busted.
BELIEVE ME..... I've had MORE THAN ONE scare in my 8 years of this BIZ.

However, P411 is always the comfort zone that I hope for when a client contacts me.
Screening is not what it used to be....and having P411 to fall back on is almost crucial to my initial impression of the hobbyist.

Lately....there have been A LOT of guys who are afraid to be a part of P411...because they say....they think P411 might get busted?
WELL....get real! How much more can the injury be if you are already hobbying? Seriously?

I'm just saying....why the fear ..... and not the foresight?
Quick screening....comfort level.....and all is good.

Thoughts anyone?

Torre

[rcinokc]

It's my understanding that they require RW info. That's a big red flag for a lot of guys.

[LickHer]

Originally Posted by rcinokc

It's my understanding that they require RW info. That's a big red flag for a lot of guys.

BINGO!

[LickHer]

Also, it's only good for the providers that are on P411. I have seen VERY few providers that are on P411. I prefer women that are not immersed in the trade but dabble in the trade.

[oldbutstillgoing]

Not that we need another thread about P411, but.... Not everyone is afraid of P411. Many that are do not fully understand how it works or what is actualy required to join. Instead of researching on the P411 site and contacting them for clarification, they react to ill informed posts by guys like Lickher that do not accuratly provide information.

Honey Rose actualy posted some great questions for a guy to ask himself before deciding if he should join.

It depends. Ask yourself these questions:

Are you having any trouble seeing the ladies that you want to visit? If not, why bother?

Does one of the ladies you want to see ONLY accept P411?

Are there any ladies on P411 who see "Zero OKs" clients that appeal to you? It would be a shame to get the membership and find out the ladies you want to see all require three or more OKs.

It is not for everyone. There is a cost. You do have to provide some information to get verified. Its not perfect nor should that be expected. It should never be the only tool a provider or a client uses to screen and research. A few guys have had problems with the site and/or the ladies on it. OK, that happens. As I said, its not perfect. Far more swear by it than at it.

I recomend guys use their brains and actualy do a little work to decide if it right for them. Go to the site and read. Call with questions. Don't rely upon me or anyone else to do your thinking for you. If polled there will be far more guys who recommend it than those who do not. When used right, its a great tool.

[Guest070818-1]

Originally Posted by LickHer

Also, it's only good for the providers that are on P411. I have seen VERY few providers that are on P411. I prefer women that are not immersed in the trade but dabble in the trade.

Craigslist is the way to go for dabblers.

[Guest122922]

Hhhmmm.....what you are indicating here absolutely does not make sense to me.

Gals are JUST AS LIKELY to get busted as the dudes.

P411 is no different (as far as your exposure) than ECCIE.

Yes....you are required to provide some personal info. DO YOU NOT THINK that we gals appreciate this effort? It is not that we know your complete name....or ....where you work or live.

If the feds decide to bust P411, then I believe this site would be on the list....and whatever is in your C:drive....is all TELL TELL.

I find it more difficult to screen clients who are not a member of P411, and the trust is hard to establish.
ECCIE does not have the OK's system.....this is a HUGE tool for women in this trade.

[Guest070818-1]

Originally Posted by rcinokc

It's my understanding that they require RW info. That's a big red flag for a lot of guys.

I could see a man named "Jiggalo Mc'Cloosy" but get his RW info if he just happened to drive to my in-call in his personal car. Us tech savvy providers know how to run all kinds of background checks with a license plate. It only costs $9.99 depending on which website you use.

Luckily, I've never HAD to run a license plate or search for a hobbyist'a RW information unless he gave it to me. I can find most information about a man online without using a PI. This is the Internet after all. I've done reserve lookups on my real name and such...there is a whole lot of public information!

All I ask for is picture ID, and employment verification (Business card, Check Stub, etc.).

Guys don't forget, us providers have had to send in a picture of us holding up our stage name and driver license to get verified on p411.

If you have an issue with screening, don't bitch and whine to the provider or Gina. You just need to stop hobbying or try your luck at the bar.

[Guest070818-1]

Originally Posted by Torre Tames

Hhhmmm.....what you are indicating here absolutely does not make sense to me.

Gals are JUST AS LIKELY to get busted as the dudes.

P411 is no different (as far as your exposure) than ECCIE.

Yes....you are required to provide some personal info. DO YOU NOT THINK that we gals appreciate this effort? It is not that we know your complete name....or ....where you work or live.

If the feds decide to bust P411, then I believe this site would be on the list....and whatever is in your C:drive....is all TELL TELL.

I find it more difficult to screen clients who are not a member of P411, and the trust is hard to establish.
ECCIE does not have the OK's system.....this is a HUGE tool for women in this trade.

LE, Feds, police, and whatever, they are not stupid. They know that the street walkers have taken a cyber approach to prostitution. You can also find more explicit things on the Internet if you research (Onion browser anyone?).

I can safely assume that there are DOZENS of LE here on ECCIE and P411 with both hobbyist profiles and provider profiles. I am aware, that THEY are aware. If they want you, they will catch you. End of story.

Also, LE should be the least of your concerns if you are a SMART individual. Look at it this way...YOU ARE MEETING STRANGERS ONLINE THAT MIGHT ROB YOU OR KILL YOU.

Now If I was someone famous, I would be more concerned with being black mailed by an escort.

[addict]

Honestly, what do you care? If you're comfortable with it, great. Only see guys who are on it. However, don't preach to others that they are being overly careful if they are uncomfortable giving out any RW info.

BSB, I gotta tell you, it sounds like you're inferring that you collect license plate numbers, just in case. That inference makes me personally very wary of ever seeing you. I don't say that to be a dick, more of a heads up. There was once a girl here who linked a photo gallery of hers to another of license plates. A shitstorm ensued.

[LickHer]

Originally Posted by Torre Tames

Hhhmmm.....what you are indicating here absolutely does not make sense to me.

Gals are JUST AS LIKELY to get busted as the dudes.

P411 is no different (as far as your exposure) than ECCIE.

Yes....you are required to provide some personal info. DO YOU NOT THINK that we gals appreciate this effort? It is not that we know your complete name....or ....where you work or live.

If the feds decide to bust P411, then I believe this site would be on the list....and whatever is in your C:drive....is all TELL TELL.

I find it more difficult to screen clients who are not a member of P411, and the trust is hard to establish.
ECCIE does not have the OK's system.....this is a HUGE tool for women in this trade.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I've never had a problem booking with anyone here on ECCIE and I'm not P411 certified. There are SO many outlets to find providers these day and like I said before, P411 only works for those girls using and listed on P411, thus it's very limiting. It is also not any safer regardless of what you think or are told. Show me any "system" and I'll show you someone that has circumvented it, including LE

[mansfield]

Originally Posted by Torre Tames

Lately....there have been A LOT of guys who are afraid to be a part of P411...because they say....they think P411 might get busted?

Going to open the man kimono a little and just tell you a simple truth, though it will be denied by many.

A lot of guys avoid P411 simply because they don't want to pay for it. The excuses of having to divulge RW info etc are just that, excuses.

It's not fear.

[LickHer]

Originally Posted by mansfield

Going to open the man kimono a little and just tell you a simple truth, though it will be denied by many.

A lot of guys avoid P411 simply because they don't want to pay for it. The excuses of having to divulge RW info etc are just that, excuses.

It's not fear.

I guess it could be for some, but the price is less than the cost of one "session" isn't it?

[LickHer]

Originally Posted by brownsugarbaby

Craigslist is the way to go for dabblers.

LOL Craig's list is the only place I'd never use, ever.

[mansfield]

Originally Posted by LickHer

I guess it could be for some, but the price is less than the cost of one "session" isn't it?

Sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't the motivator. There are some cheap fuckers out there