IMMIGRATION REFORM - DEATH KNELL FOR CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATISM

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by timpage

I don't view it as a shithole and I feel sorry for you if you do.

Romney didn't lose because of immigrants. The very idea is absurd beyond belief.

Here's an interesting article about the white vote in 2012:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...te-no-problem/

The Republicans lost because:

1. Romney is a goose. Stiff, unlikeable, rich, and not likely to click with moderates and independents. HIs ground game was shit, his own party didn't like him very much and he was a flip-flopping machine that didn't excite the party faithful. He used to support abortion and banned assault rifles in Massachussetts for god's sake! This is a GOP candidate? You've forgotten your core culture wars values. The irony.

2. The GOP primaries were a slow-motion train wreck, with different loonies attaining front-runner status every 30 to 45 days. Moderates and independents are not going to be drawn to, or feel any connection with, a party that is advocating that Donald Trump, Michelle Bachmann or Rick Perry should be President of the United States. Do you not get that? 2016 should be even better for the Democrats in this regard.

3. Why on earth would blacks, hispanics, women or young people even consider voting for a republican? The face and leadership of the GOP is rich, white grumpy old men. Very little that the GOP advocates has appeal to minority voters. To the contrary, at least in regard to hispanics, the GOP demonizes hispanics as all being illegal freeloaders....as evidence by Whirlytard's OP. In the run-up to the election, GOP candidates made one stupid comment after another alienating women. Astonishingly stupid behavior.

And the beauty of it all is that idiots like Whirlytard don't understand any of this.....political losses must be blamed on immigrants and immigrants must be insulted and demeaned in that process. Thereby further alienating the voting demographic with the largest growth potential in the United States. Utterly tone-deaf.

Ironically, you are right but it should give you a moment to pause and reconsider how close Romney came to winning in spite of the fact he was all you said he was. I gave my vote to Obama for the reasons you stated, basically because Romney sucked, but if the Republicans regroup and get a good candidate, they can win. Complacency will get you defeated, and you are a pretty smug bastard, so you would deserve an inglorious defeat.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Romney lost because of shifting demographics; the demographic shift is almost entirely because of massive immigration (mostly illegal) over the past several decades.

Why should Republicans be in favor of the very immigration of voters who vote against them?
It isn't racism, it is politics and economics.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by WTF

They are contract workers. Why would I employee someone year round when I only build a house a year?




Are your Asian Spa ladies here legally? Do you check their papers? Do you ask them if they are driving down the price of pussy , making it harder on our American born hookers? No of course you do not. You are a hypocritical asshole that parrots sound bytes.

WTF, you are one of the dumbest mother fuckers around here. You might notice I review American born hookers, also. Hell, the last Asian lady I reviewed was an American citizen, you faggoty anit-Semite.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Why should Republicans be in favor of the very immigration of voters who vote against them?
It isn't racism, it is politics and economics.

Well, of course. If you can't win because the majority of the citizenry disagrees with your policies, then you should do everything possible to suppress the vote of the majority of the citizenry. Whether it's through phony allegations of voter fraud, redistricting that violates the law, the new plans to have state legislatures appoint US senators rather than allowing the people to elect them.....and on and on. Good plan. Unconstitutional and illegal....but, good plan.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

WTF, you are one of the dumbest mother fuckers around here. You might notice I review American born hookers, also. Hell, the last Asian lady I reviewed was an American citizen, you faggoty anit-Semite.

Awwww did I hit a nerve, you cheap hypocritical bastard or shall I just call you Jewish Lawyer!. I love it when folks like you bitch about immigrants bringing down wages in this country and then the majority of their reviews are from Asian spas!

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Responsibilities of A "Permanent Resident":

• Obey all federal, state, and local laws.
• Pay federal, state, and local income taxes.
• Register with the Selective Service (U.S. Armed
Forces), if you are a male between ages 18 and 26.
See page 11 for instructions.
• Maintain your immigration status.
• Carry proof of your permanent resident status at all
times.
• Change your address online or provide it in writing
to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
within 10 days of each time you move. See page 12
for instructions.


Rights of A Permanent Resident:

• Live and work permanently anywhere in the U.S.
• Apply to become a U.S. citizen once you are eligible.
• Request visas for your husband or wife and unmarried children to live in the U.S.
• Get Social Security, Supplemental Security Income,
and Medicare benefits, if you are eligible.
• Own property in the U.S.
• Apply for a driver’s license in your state or territory.
• Leave and return to the U.S. under certain conditions.
• Attend public school and college.
• Join certain branches of the U.S. Armed Forces.
• Purchase or own a firearm, as long as there are no state
or local restrictions saying you can’t.

Permanent Resident status is the 1st step to naturalization and citizenship.

More Rights than Responsibilities !

And where is the requirement that they learn American History, and the English language? Where is the enforcement of the requirement that they obey our laws; and didn't enter the country legally ?

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/M-618.pdf

Dude, many of our own natural born citizens barely know US history or the English language...

I do believe that most citizenship classes do teach at least some US history as well.

The enforcement requirement is just like for regular citizens? Law enforcement enforcing the laws? Presumably if they have Permanent Residence status, they've gone through the background checks and paperwork regarding how they entered the country (I'm assuming you intended to say "didn't enter the country illegally").

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Ironically, you are right but it should give you a moment to pause and reconsider how close Romney came to winning in spite of the fact he was all you said he was. I gave my vote to Obama for the reasons you stated, basically because Romney sucked, but if the Republicans regroup and get a good candidate, they can win. Complacency will get you defeated, and you are a pretty smug bastard, so you would deserve an inglorious defeat.

If you look at the Electoral college (which I believe is an old and outdated system), Romney got beat pretty badly. If you look at the popular vote, then yes he did get much closer.

Honestly, given that we were still in an economic slump (traditionally, the economy is the biggest factor in any national election), I'm surprised the Republicans didn't win. I really believe they punted with the candidate they picked (really, you guys couldn't find someone with greater overall appeal than Romney?) and kicked themselves in the balls with their rhetoric on immigration and women's issues.

I hope this is a wake up call for the Republican party to reconsider their stances on issues and to bring the hammer down on their members who regularly spout hateful rhetoric that costs them voters.

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Why should Republicans be in favor of the very immigration of voters who vote against them?
It isn't racism, it is politics and economics.

It's politics, yeah. However, if they look at the values of many of these immigrants the Republicans have such opposition towards, they'd see that they actually have many values in common and could actually be the ones benefitting from the new voters entering the pool.

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by timpage

Well, of course. If you can't win because the majority of the citizenry disagrees with your policies, then you should do everything possible to suppress the vote of the majority of the citizenry. Whether it's through phony allegations of voter fraud, redistricting that violates the law, the new plans to have state legislatures appoint US senators rather than allowing the people to elect them.....and on and on. Good plan. Unconstitutional and illegal....but, good plan.

Yeah, that's why Republicans have to run so many negative ads these days. Because their stances on many issues are against the mainstream, they can't win if more people come out to vote. Negative ads suppress voter turnout, so that's become their bread and butter strategy (not to say Democrats aren't guilty of this as well).

[bojulay]

Libtards will always gravitate to the idea of a communist/socialist state,
they would use the very freedom that we have in this country to eventually
destroy our constitution and bring about a new socialist state.

That is why they are for illegal immigration, they would be wholly against
it if it didn't further their cause.

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by bojulay

Libtards will always gravitate to the idea of a communist/socialist state,
they would use the very freedom that we have in this country to eventually
destroy our constitution and bring about a new socialist state.

That is why they are for illegal immigration, they would be wholly against
it if it didn't further their cause.

Please, like conservatives don't want a facist state where everyone are lapdogs to the corporations and ultra wealthy? Freedom of speech? Anyone who opposes them are shouted down in drunken shouts of "Amurica!" and gunfire. You hate socialism, right? So you should be all about getting rid of corporate tax cuts and capital gains tax loopholes to make the top pay the proper amount of taxes they owe, right?

No one is for illegal immigration. Unlike conservatives though, liberals realize it's a large and complex problem that isn't going to be solved by putting more guns on the border and demonizing the people who will do the work that American citizens don't want to do.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

Please, like conservatives don't want a facist state where everyone are lapdogs to the corporations and ultra wealthy? Freedom of speech? Anyone who opposes them are shouted down in drunken shouts of "Amurica!" and gunfire. You hate socialism, right? So you should be all about getting rid of corporate tax cuts and capital gains tax loopholes to make the top pay the proper amount of taxes they owe, right?

No one is for illegal immigration. Unlike conservatives though, liberals realize it's a large and complex problem that isn't going to be solved by putting more guns on the border and demonizing the people who will do the work that American citizens don't want to do.

Americans citizens would do the work if cheap assholes like WTF were willing to pay more and offer benefits.

[Whirlaway]

Unfortunately, the US Chamber of Commerce (both big and small business) favor massive immigration - even illegal....It is what drives down wages and benefits...business understands this simple fact, but the left doesn't.

The more important question is why the left favors weak immigration and border controls, after all it punishes their natural constituency.

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Why should Republicans be in favor of the very immigration of voters who vote against them?
It isn't racism, it is politics and economics.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by bojulay

Libtards will always gravitate to the idea of a communist/socialist state,
they would use the very freedom that we have in this country to eventually
destroy our constitution and bring about a new socialist state.

That is why they are for illegal immigration, they would be wholly against
it if it didn't further their cause.

Who the fuck said he was "for illegal immigration?"

Please provide links to substantiate your outright lies. Or STFU with your rambling bullshit.

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Americans citizens would do the work if cheap assholes like WTF were willing to pay more and offer benefits.

Ah yes, but if the free market dictates that he can get away with it, doesn't the conservative argument ask why he should pay any more than he has to?

[BigLouie]

If that's true then why did the Republicans do so bad with Asians and Women. Asians would seem to be perfect for Republican gain but they failed with them. Answer me that is you can keep from hurling insults.

[bojulay]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

Please, like conservatives don't want a facist state where everyone are lapdogs to the corporations and ultra wealthy? Freedom of speech? Anyone who opposes them are shouted down in drunken shouts of "Amurica!" and gunfire. You hate socialism, right? So you should be all about getting rid of corporate tax cuts and capital gains tax loopholes to make the top pay the proper amount of taxes they owe, right?

No one is for illegal immigration. Unlike conservatives though, liberals realize it's a large and complex problem that isn't going to be solved by putting more guns on the border and demonizing the people who will do the work that American citizens don't want to do.

Another vote for illegal immigration (I guess). I'm not for it but yeah I'm for it, but I'm not for it.

I am for a flat tax by the way, and yeah I am really for it.