Governor Perry's Refusing of 100 Billion in Fed Funds (ACA)

[LordBeaverbrook]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Austtxjr thanks so much for providing that info

My pleasure, facts are pretty easy to find if you know how to look. You are dead on. The ACA is far from perfect, but Presidents have recognized this needed to be done and have been trying to do this for close over 80 years and it is historic that this President finally got it done.

Just a nice little historical tidbit that causes most conservatives and Republicans to spit up in their drinks. The Nigerian Socialist Muslim President Richard Millhouse Nixon actually called on Congress for universal heatlhcare in 1974!!!

President Richard Nixon's Special Message to the Congress Proposing a Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stor...-proposal.aspx

Again! Republicans were for it (and they proposed it) before they were against it!!! Just love it.

[LordBeaverbrook]

Originally Posted by Luvyduvy

You are assuming ObamaCare is the answer and states have 3 years to get it right.

Obama care properly known as ACA is AN answer and probably better than doing nothing and letting healthcare costs, which are already 17% of GDP, destroy our economic future. Most other advanced countries spend 8% to 10% and cover all their citizens.

Originally Posted by Luvyduvy

I subscribe to several business RSS feeds - right after the election - and to this day, dozens of companies post daily of layoffs - at first, due to increased health care costs because of OC. Then a couple of those larger companies met with some oddly timed regulatory investigation - and since no company SAYS due to health care costs increasing, but they keep posting job closings.

All corporate propaganda. Productivity is continuing to increase and big corporations are more profitable than they have been in years, but are stashing most of their money overseas. There is something like $2 to $3 Trillion of corporate profits sitting offshore just waiting to be invested and profits have been way up the last two years. Salaries... now that is another story.

Originally Posted by Luvyduvy

OC is a 2700 page document that NOBODY who voted on it, read it... leaving the understanding of it to their staff. What a joke... do you know, your health care provider will have access to ALL of your financial records and accounts and can TAKE money from you at their discretion.

First off, have you ever actually read a law? It has about as many words on a page (every line more than double spaced with tons of white space top, bottom and sides) as a picture book for first graders so the 2700 pages is very misleading. Your health care "provider" (meaning your doctor or your hospital) already has access to your records. How do you think they provide you healthcare? Do they do it like pin the tail on the donkey... with a blindfold on? Geesh, please get it together and type what you mean rather than senseless blather. NO, they can't just "TAKE money from you at their discretion." Where did you get that senseless bit of nonsense?

Here, try that commie rag Forbes for ACA info - http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynm...r-of-medicine/

Here's one for those of you who don't read - http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynm...amacare-video/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynm...able-care-act/

[Rex Goliath]

barf

[joeh10]

Can it and replace with a market based system. I am already paying enough taxes to support those who do not provide for themselves.

[Stuck in the mud]

Originally Posted by austxjr

You obviously don't understand macro-economics or a fiat monetary system. It is nothing like over drafting your checking account. Most of that money that we "owe" is owed to ourselves and about 1/3rd that isn't owed to ourselves is owed in dollars which we create (most aren't even printed, it is just ones and zeros on a computer at the Fed).

First off, in a fiat monetary system (which Richard Nixon put us on in the first place) if the government doesn't "print" money for the private sector to use, then there is no money. Government spends $1 so private sector has $1 to use and then $.30 is paid in taxes (which are then mostly spent with the private sector). Where the heck did you think the money came from in the first place, a money tree? How do you think the accounting is done for a sovereign currency creator? Oh, you don't know and didn't think about it because you though it was just like your checkbook. It isn't. Period.

Very interesting take. This is all new information to me... Why do you suppose the government has to collect any taxes at all? Why couldn't they just shift some "ones and zeros" at the fed to pay for my health care?

[Stuck in the mud]

[QUOTE=austxjr;1052267895]Eva, Old is right about one thing. Get all the facts. The people around here who answer posts like this generally don't know them, are too lazy to look them up, use terrible sources that make up facts to fit an agenda or just make them up themselves. There are some notable exceptions to that, but you have to be careful. Just go look at the AARP site or some other 3rd party that is reputable to find out. The ACA requires states to expand Medicare to cover many more Texans with basic health care. In return the Federal Government covers something like 90 to 100% for several years and then the portion covered by the Federal Government drops back gradually after 10 years to the standard ratio which (if I remember right) was around 70%. The state doesn't pay for all of Medicare now and would never get stuck doing that in the future.

Aren't you and Old saying the same thing? The feds help offset the added expense of expanded medicaid for the first few years. Then they don't. That'll leave the states to foot their portion of a vastly expanded program.

I don't know about a standard ratio. My understanding is that administrative costs are generally split 50/50, while states pay between 17 and 50 percent for services, depending on per capita income within the state.

AARP? I suppose that's one source. Whether one agrees with their support of AHA or not, I don't think anyone could claim them to be a disinterested 3rd party without giggling just a little bit.

[slowmover]

He has just turned over design of the program to the Federal Government. When the dust settles, look around and compare what Texas has compared to states who went ahead and took control of their own plan. Then judge if ours turned out better or worse.

PS Texas did the same thing with Federal education money a few years back.

[Eva Damita]

Originally Posted by austxjr

Eva, Old is right about one thing. Get all the facts. The people around here who answer posts like this generally don't know them, are too lazy to look them up, use terrible sources that make up facts to fit an agenda or just make them up themselves. There are some notable exceptions to that, but you have to be careful. Just go look at the AARP site or some other 3rd party that is reputable to find out. The ACA requires states to expand Medicare to cover many more Texans with basic health care. In return the Federal Government covers something like 90 to 100% for several years and then the portion covered by the Federal Government drops back gradually after 10 years to the standard ratio which (if I remember right) was around 70%. The state doesn't pay for all of Medicare now and would never get stuck doing that in the future.

Texas already has the highest percentage of uninsured citizens of any state in the US, and a new study by the US Department of Health and Human Services shows that Texas has the worst healthcare of any state.

Perry's response to this problem? In a letter to U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, Perry said he will not implement an health insurance exchange (which is allowed under the law and OK, but stupid). Also, he will not expand Medicaid to cover families earning below 133% of the Federal poverty level.


That leaves an estimated 1.5 million Texans eligible for expanded Medicaid coverage without healthcare and leaving an estimated $13 billion in Federal funds to be distributed to other states.) Perry wrote, "I will not be party to socializing healthcare and bankrupting my state in direct contradiction to our Constitution and our founding principles of limited government."
Instead, he will keep doing what Texas has always done: Refuse to create an affordable health care system, and turn county hospitals, clinics and emergency rooms (the very most expensive way to deliver care) into the first and last line of medical care for many citizens. Unfortunately, as is well documented, that is pretty much the most expensive and ineffective way to provide health care. As the Federal study shows, Texas is classified as "weak" in its preventative care provision. It also costs a lot more. Implementing Medicaid expansion would cost $6 billion a year, but the comptroller's office calculate Texas hospitals currently lay out $10.2 billion in uncompensated care. By rejecting the Medicaid expansion, Perry seemingly will cost the tax payers more. Not so conservative after all.

Hot Shit , man, that's why I created this thread to get all the facts from the eccie community who are more knowelegeble on the constituents of the act. I was simply addressing the health care crisis - not creating a solution. Im not for nor against it and needed more information to choose my stance. Chill out, Austxjrsfjslfjalfjsdlfj . Thanks for your contribution and sharing the facts. Its great to have you break things down on each person's comment.

[Stuck in the mud]

Originally Posted by Eva Damita

Hot Shit , man, that's why I created this thread to get all the facts from the eccie community who are more knowelegeble on the constituents. I was simply addressing the health care crisis - not creating a solution. Im not for nor against it and needed more information to choose my stance. Chill out, Austxjrsfjslfjalfjsdlfj . Thanks for your contribution and sharing the facts. Its great to have you break things down on each person's comment.

Lol! It's obviously a complicated issue with a lot of money at stake. And when there's that much money on the table,it becomes very difficult to get a straight answer to anything.

But not to worry about Austxjrmfhgcmhgfjhfcmnjhtf... it's not like he actually wrote all that. Most of it was a near verbatim cut and paste from the Austin Chronical.

[wellendowed1911]

I am still waiting on those opposed to OC aka ACA to tell me what the alternative solution to healthcare? Do we still let taxpayers pay the 10.2 billion dollars that hopsitals lose every year to people without insurance?

According to the National Coalition on Healthcare:

The United States spends almost $100 billion per year to provide health services to people who are uninsured. Much of that money is spent, because uninsured patients wait until the 11th hour to seek care, when they could have been treated much more effectively and for less cost at an earlier stage of their medical problem.

The reason why Rick Perry is "acting" bold is because he doesn't want to upset the Tea Party of ultra conservatives and is not looking out for the best interest of Texans.


Just like when Gov. Perry said he wouldn't take any of Obama's stimulus money- yet at the last minute he took the stimulus money and balanced the budget and then bragged during the primaries of how many jobs his state created and how he had a balanced budget- the facts were Texas has some of the most lowest paying salary jobs in the union and the only reason why the budget was balanced was because of the stimulus.

[Stuck in the mud]

I suppose it all depends on what problem you're trying to solve, and what you mean by solution.

[MrKlean]

There is no answer to the healthcare crisis that is flawless

If we all agree that if a person goes to an emergency room that they have to be seen, regardless of payment, then we all should agree with ACA.


It is a waste of resources to have uninsured people use the emergency room like it is a doctor's office.


ER costs $1000 versus a doctor's office $50 - $100.


It is really simple people.


Lets not forget, without the ACA, Medicare will go broke in about 20 years!


Obama did not do this for popularity, he did it because it is best for the COUNTRY!


I wish people would stop forgetting that we need a federal government!


Governor Christie stopped playing politics really quickly after that hurricane.


Stop acting like we will be broke and can't hobby anymore because of ACA.


Texas makes more more than most COUNTRIES!


Things will be fine.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by KRiggins

There is no answer to the healthcare crisis that is flawless

If we all agree that if a person goes to an emergency room that they have to be seen, regardless of payment, then we all should agree with ACA.


It is a waste of resources to have uninsured people use the emergency room like it is a doctor's office.


ER costs $1000 versus a doctor's office $50 - $100.


It is really simple people.


Lets not forget, without the ACA, Medicare will go broke in about 20 years!


Obama did not do this for popularity, he did it because it is best for the COUNTRY!


I wish people would stop forgetting that we need a federal government!


Governor Christie stopped playing politics really quickly after that hurricane.


Stop acting like we will be broke and can't hobby anymore because of ACA.


Texas makes more more than most COUNTRIES!


Things will be fine.

I totally agree KRiggins that's why I mentioned how much the U.S spends on Defense compared to the other nations, but no one raises the alarm about significantly cutting the defense budget. If we get rid of ACA and go back to insurance being able to deny you for pre-existing condition or the uninsured using the ER as a doctor's visit than we are just fooling ourselves.

[slowmover]

In reference to Rick Perry: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...idate-of-2012/

He set the image of this state back decades by running.

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by Bestman200600

Obama only pays for 2 or 3 years, then the state has to pay the rest forever.

This is an utter and complete lie. Under current legislation, the Federal government continues to pay 90% of the costs of the expansion from 2019 forward.

How much of the cost of the Medicaid expansion will the federal government cover?

Federal funding will be provided 100% financing, for all new eligibles up to 133% FPL in 2014‐ 2016, 95% in 2017, 94% in 2018, 93% in 2019 and 90% federal financing for 2020 and subsequent years.

http://www.thenationalcouncil.org/ga...0expansion.pdf at p. 3.