HITLER SURVIVED THE WAR AND DIED IN 1970

[markroxny]

Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

The main point is he is dead now. I really don't care if he went into hiding for deep shame of his loss after the Russians literally ass fucked him. He died a miserable failure.

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You rock Skylar.

[essence]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

If your only choice was between Stalin and Hitler I'd bet money you'd follow Hitler.

80 million Germans, Romanians, Hungarians, Finns, and millions of others opposed to Stalin from France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Norway, Iceland [which the British invaded and enslaved on May 10, 1940] Iran, Argentina, Palestine, Egypt, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Bylorussia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia, all followed Hitler becuse of the Stalinist threat.

Don't think you can claim all these were "insane."

I see you still tend to deal with absolutes which are easily demolished by finding a single example which contradicts your argument.

Churchill and Roosevelt chose Stalin rather than Hitler. Does they mean they worshipped Stalin?

Are you saying Hitler was followed solely because of the Stalinsh threat and for no other reason? Somehow that doesn't fit with the actions he took. Jews all Stalinist? Blacks all Stalinist? etc etc etc

The reason why I say you are dangerous is because you can only handle (false) absolutes and have no idea of the complexity of human behaviour. This can eventually play out in dangerous ways.

No, I hope I would not have bet my money on Hitler.

Take your Hitler worship and holocaust denials somewhere else. If the only reason for Hitler is to fight Stalinism, then of course concentration camps do not fit with the agenda and therefore cannot have happened.

[essence]

Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

The main point is he is dead now. I really don't care if he went into hiding for deep shame of his loss after the Russians literally ass fucked him. He died a miserable failure.

I agree about Hitler, but I find the issue is TAE's level of common sense (being careful here not to imply any medical condition) and that is less easily consigned to history.

[AdventureAdams]

You can't save everybody....

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

The main point is he is dead now. I really don't care if he went into hiding for deep shame of his loss after the Russians literally ass fucked him. He died a miserable failure.

No actually that's not the point.

The point is that what the public has seen in the media on such basic simple "facts" of history is all bullshit.

That's the point.

As far as dying a miserable failure...

I think it was Stalin who died a miserable failure.

Contrary to what the public believed until 1998, it turns out Stalin was poisoned by his own staff with an over-dose of the blood thiner warfren.

Stalin was the most feared, hated, reviled and dispised man of the 20th century and is beloved and admired by no one.

On the contrary those people who bother to learn the truth about Hitler [as opposed to the lies the public has been told] admire him greatly.

If Hitler's admirers believed the things about him you believe they would dispise him as much as you....but they have accepted facts of which you might yet be unaware.

You might not "know" what you think you "know" about this subject.

Hitler lived a long and happy life. He was a survivor.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by essence

Churchill and Roosevelt chose Stalin rather than Hitler. Does they mean they worshipped Stalin?

Of course not. Churchill, Roosevelt and many others chose to ignore Stalin's aggressions because they viewed Germany [with or without Hitler] as a threat to England and France which Russia didn't represent.

It had nothing to do with right or wrong or good or bad. It had only to do with the fact that people like Churchill and Roosevelt thought the Treaty of Versaille didn't go far enough and that Germany had to be taken out of great power politics altogether.

Are you saying Hitler was followed solely because of the Stalinsh threat and for no other reason? Somehow that doesn't fit with the actions he took. Jews all Stalinist? Blacks all Stalinist? etc etc etc

Most peoples in Europe who followed Hitler did so because they thought he was the only person standing up to communism and Stalin.

On the Left however in all these countries there were also many people who embraced Stalin because they thought he was the only force standing up to Hitler.

Where a person stood on Hitler or Stalin depended on their own ideology.

As for Jews and blacks I don't think blacks were an issue, but Jews obviously were, and unfortunately the fact that in eastern and central Europe 95% of the leadership of communist parties were Jewish contributed greatly to their demise at the hands of anti-communists....not only Nazis....but other anti-communists in these countries. In particular, the 1.5 million Jews who were rounded up and murdered by gunfire in eastern Europe were gathered not by Germans but by other anti-communist groups which then delivered them to the Germans for killing.


No, I hope I would not have bet my money on Hitler.

Believing what you do now of course not, but if you had lived then you might have.

Take your Hitler worship and holocaust denials somewhere else. If the only reason for Hitler is to fight Stalinism, then of course concentration camps do not fit with the agenda and therefore cannot have happened.

Holocaust denials? Didn't I just say the Germans helped murder over 1.5 million Jews? Is that holocaust denial?

If you're going to argue with me you've gotta not lie about what I say Dude or there can be no argument.

The simple fact is without the commnist threat nobody would have listened to Hitler or given him a dime. All his other nationalist agendas were fine but not enough to drive the people into the wholesale bloody revolution he demanded.

[essence]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

The point is that what the public has seen in the media on such basic simple "facts" of history is all bullshit.

... those people who bother to learn the truth about Hitler admire him greatly.

Hitler lived a long and happy life. He was a survivor.

I think this says it all. Time for the march to the funny farm.

[JD Barleycorn]

I do have to agree with some things said above; Hitler was loved by many Germans. Why would anyone kill themselves after Hitler was dead (or presumed dead)? It wasn't fear anymore. It was love.

I don't know why someone brought up blacks. The Germans put captured black soldiers (French, English, and American) in camps together. They did not go to a concentration camp unlike Jews, Gypsies, the disabled, communists, and so many others.

Hitler did get a lot of power from the fact that Bolsheviks (as they were called) were feared by many. After World War I, the Frei Korps ruled over much of Germany and they were opposed by the reds and the nazis. Germany was polarized between two major parties. There were many simularities between the Nazis and the Socialists with one major exception; socialists embraced the idea of a world movement without borders. Nazis believed in the superiority of Germans and Germany. Socialists wanted the government to own business for the people. The Nazis wanted government to direct business for the good of the state. They both believed in the power of the gun and bludgeon. They both ended up putting their undesirables into camps. They both eliminated political opponents. Not much to choose from except Germany.

[AdventureAdams]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

No actually that's not the point.

The point is that what the public has seen in the media on such basic simple "facts" of history is all bullshit.

That's the point.

As far as dying a miserable failure...

I think it was Stalin who died a miserable failure.

Contrary to what the public believed until 1998, it turns out Stalin was poisoned by his own staff with an over-dose of the blood thiner warfren.

Stalin was the most feared, hated, reviled and dispised man of the 20th century and is beloved and admired by no one.

On the contrary those people who bother to learn the truth about Hitler [as opposed to the lies the public has been told] admire him greatly.

If Hitler's admirers believed the things about him you believe they would dispise him as much as you....but they have accepted facts of which you might yet be unaware.

You might not "know" what you think you "know" about this subject.

Hitler lived a long and happy life. He was a survivor.

The facts? Where are these facts you speak so highly of I have yet to see a link or credit to the origin of the information you are spouting.

1. Germany, Italy and Japan's agression WW2.

2. They ALL got their asses handed to them. Hitler whether he lived through the war or not, abandoned his country by either fleeing or killing himself. Either way he was still a punk ass bitch who couldn't handle defeat.

3. The End. Oh yeah, I'm sure the all German women were still pledging their allegiance to Hitler after they were forced to put up with constant sexual abuse from the Soviets who invaded Germany after Hitler just magically disappears. Where was their fearless leader then? Anyone who abandons their country like that is a coward.

[JD Barleycorn]

A lot of German women were "abused" by American soldiers. You'd be surprised how good a bar of chocolate tastes when you are hungry. Some were so abused so much that they were brought back to the US. The Soviets just RAPED them and killed them. Words mean things, use the right ones.

[AdventureAdams]

Point being Hitler deserted his people and left German women to be raped and murdered by their conquerors. Anyway you add it up it still comes to the same basic point.

[I B Hankering]

Here's a little ditty from anecdotal history that we learned and recited in high school:

"Hitler Has Only Got One Ball" 1939

Hitler . . . has only got one ball,
Göring . . . has two but very small
Himmler's . . . so very similar
And Goebbels . . . has no balls . . . at all

(Sung to the tune of "The Colonel Bogey March" @ http://www.ulujain.org/media/colonelbogeymarch.mid -- *think* theme song to "The Bridge on the River Kwai").

No doubt this will offend somebody.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I do have to agree with some things said above; Hitler was loved by many Germans. Why would anyone kill themselves after Hitler was dead (or presumed dead)? It wasn't fear anymore. It was love.

I don't know why someone brought up blacks. The Germans put captured black soldiers (French, English, and American) in camps together. They did not go to a concentration camp unlike Jews, Gypsies, the disabled, communists, and so many others.

Hitler did get a lot of power from the fact that Bolsheviks (as they were called) were feared by many. After World War I, the Frei Korps ruled over much of Germany and they were opposed by the reds and the nazis. Germany was polarized between two major parties. There were many simularities between the Nazis and the Socialists with one major exception; socialists embraced the idea of a world movement without borders. Nazis believed in the superiority of Germans and Germany. Socialists wanted the government to own business for the people. The Nazis wanted government to direct business for the good of the state. They both believed in the power of the gun and bludgeon. They both ended up putting their undesirables into camps. They both eliminated political opponents. Not much to choose from except Germany.

Jessie Owens was a thorn in Hitler's side...

[Yssup Rider]

Makes sense that JD would extol Hitler.

NUFF said.

[JD Barleycorn]

I just knew that dummy would speak up. Jesse Owens was a public embarassment but what I was talking about were the African troops under French command for the most part. While the French Jews went to camps the Algerian soldiers either went back to Africa or stayed with their French counterparts in the POW camps. The Germans took no organized, special action against black or Indian soldiers (think English Army).