Just FYI - Lillian Mae is a Thief

[Guest080613-2]

Amen to that Skylar!

[DaniellaDViante]

Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

And I don't think this lady Lillian Mae is ruined, if she wants, she can just say she made a mistake that most newbies make and start to draft her own original text and get her site back up. All is not lost for Lillian Mae, hopefully this will give her an opportunity to create a more authentic persona- it looks like she is a good provider and cute as a button, so I don't think Lillian phone will stop ringing because of this.

Yes, this is pretty much exactly what I have said in all of my posts when it comes to the quality of her services. No one should stop seeing her over worries about whether or not she provides quality FBSM.

[Rebecca Love]

Ms. Daniella,

Hello Beautiful. While I would never be so presumptuous as to compare the size or development of my prefrontal cortex to yours, did it occur to you (or your copyright attorney) that DMCA litigation would eventually require an affidavit attesting to the ownership and authenticity of the content of your site? I realize that there are several steps between the initial "takedown" request and pursuing formal legal action (I hope you do too) but an affidavit requires your RL signature stating that you are responsible for creating content with VERY QUESTIONABLE legality. Having your intellectual property stolen sucks ass but I do believe I would consider breaking out the good ole thesaurus to revamp before opening THAT can of worms. But then again my site is overly verbose in a half-hearted attempt to keep my redneck from showing through he he.

I found a site that may be of use for providers who find their website content stolen: http://fairywhoremother.com/tag/dmca/

As for Lillian, she is lovely and the quality of her services is the primary concern of her clients. I do not know her personally but anyone who takes care of clients I care about is "good people" in my hobby world despite her newbie faux pas. Lillian if you catch this thread, I am not a web design expert but I did build my own Wordpress site and will be happy to help. The gentlemen in Mississippi need quality and variety and it sounds like you are a rare find.

[DaniellaDViante]

ufriend2912:

While I appreciate your concern over my "image", I need to enlighten you to a few things,

First, my extensive initial post was mostly as long as it was because I wanted to put in as much evidence as possible. If I just offhandedly accused her without being very detailed in doing so, you'd be calling me out on not having any "solid" evidence. Dammned if I do, damnned if I don't.

As far as outing RL info, no one should really view things that differently (and outside of your speculation, I have yet to see any evidence that anyone now feels "unsafe" with me in relation to my bookings)

The fact is, everyone on this board could do something that ends up entangling RL info:

1 - If a client really hurt, stalked, or otherwise "fucked with" a provider, theres a reasonable risk of a high level of blacklisting that would involve RL info.

2 - If a provider tried to steal from (rip off, pickpocket, w/e) or extort a client, or physically assault him in a session, atleast one hobbyist would call the cops or "out" her.

...The list goes on.

You are suggesting that I'm possibly looking to out someone for the sport of it - the fact is we ALL would be quick to do so in a situation that we felt warranted it. I don't know about you, but I actually don't try to tell people how upset they should or should not be over a situation that has affected them.

If someone steals from me, I'll seek appropriate recourse. If someone hurts me, I'll seek appropriate recourse. If the options are legal, well, I can't send a court summons to an escorting pseudonym, I have to get your RL info. That's kind of a no-brainer.

Now, this issue has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, but since it seems to now be your primary concern, I will tell you this:

- If a guy were to ever physically hurt me, god forbid, I'd most definitely post his RL info on every blacklist site around - this is not a trait unique to me, any legit escort would do the same, and you guys already know that. This should not be seen as a hazard for clients - thats basic safety and security within the hobby. No hobbyist was ever even involved in this matter anyway, so no guy should be worried about his RL info in relation to my business attitudes.

However: If you would never see a provider who would out RL info on you if you seriously wronged her, and that turns you off from seeing me - Awesome! I don't need any new clients who are looking to possibly commit a crime against me and get away with it, thank you but please move along.

Long story short: Are there certain situations in which I'd release a clients RL info? Yes of course - and guess what, they are the same conditions under which most any other provider would out your RL info (rape, assault, etc). If you find this to be unfair, you need serious help.

I'd also like to remind you that no RL info of hers would have ever been used for anything other than litigation. I never threatened to post her RL info online either directly or indirectly, I even let her know that doing so would forfeit my own legal case against her.

I may come off as verbose, but I choose my words very carefully. Please read diligently because re-stating myself is becoming tiresome.

Nothing I've said has changed since the start, and yet you guys seem fascinated with trying to pick things apart and bend the issue of plagiarism into an issue of hobbyist's personal information being threatened.

You guys are, quite frankly, pulling at straws. This entire matter has had no affect on my business in the slightest, and probably has not affected Lillians very much either, so please stop trying to find some reason to crucify me for having an issue (that I did not cause) with a lady you guys clearly like very much.

I understand your desire to be her first WK and stick up for her, but you guys are just making fools of yourselves. If you are determined to dislike me because I didn't take this matter lightly, then fine, do so. But trying to use the details of this incident for fabricating hypothetical reasons for clients to not see me in completely different situations (ie, "How does Daniella treat good, respectful, clients info" vs "How does Daniella take to providers stealing from her" ), is simply being immature.

Remember: When I called her a thief, I never called her a bad provider. I never said that guys should be scared of visiting her. I have acknowledged her quality of service in every single post I've made. I kept my issue singular: her theft - never her services. I never, and will never claim that guys should not see her because of how she handled this. And yet, the idea you want to perpetuate about me is that guys are not safe to visit me because of how serious I took to protecting my content and informing the board. You are poorly attempting to making the issue of my handling of this into every spin off issue you can think of. All after the initial issue has been resolved! I'm sorry, but exactly how much sense does ANY of that make?

Most here seem to be of the opinion that Lillians actions in this situation do not affect her service BCD - the two are unrelated issues. I agree. But guess what: my anger over a provider who stole from me does not affect how I treat my clients personal info - these are also two unrelated issues.

[DaniellaDViante]

Originally Posted by Rebecca Love

Ms. Daniella,

Hello Beautiful. While I would never be so presumptuous as to compare the size or development of my prefrontal cortex to yours, did it occur to you (or your copyright attorney) that DMCA litigation would eventually require an affidavit attesting to the ownership and authenticity of the content of your site? I realize that there are several steps between the initial "takedown" request and pursuing formal legal action (I hope you do too) but an affidavit requires your RL signature stating that you are responsible for creating content with VERY QUESTIONABLE legality. Having your intellectual property stolen sucks ass but I do believe I would consider breaking out the good ole thesaurus to revamp before opening THAT can of worms. But then again my site is overly verbose in a half-hearted attempt to keep my redneck from showing through he he.

I found a site that may be of use for providers who find their website content stolen: http://fairywhoremother.com/tag/dmca/

As for Lillian, she is lovely and the quality of her services is the primary concern of her clients. I do not know her personally but anyone who takes care of clients I care about is "good people" in my hobby world despite her newbie faux pas. Lillian if you catch this thread, I am not a web design expert but I did build my own Wordpress site and will be happy to help. The gentlemen in Mississippi need quality and variety and it sounds like you are a rare find.

Yes, I actually have had that site bookmarked since my webcamming days! I have always been fully aware that I'd have to use my own RL info - I have an awesome lawyer and none of the text on either website actually detailed illegal services. It was very suggestive, yes, but 100% not illegal. I'm very confident in going to court with my work if I absolutely had to.

Obviously, I'd rather do everything possible before going to that level (like I did here), but I would never let something like this slide by because I was afraid of a third party examining my website's content.

That website was a huge help in letting me know how to handle situations like this, and I highly recommend it to camgirls and providers alike.

[hudpud11]

Ahh yes, the voices of reason. LMAO

[guest100913]

Originally Posted by DaniellaDViante

Are there certain situations in which I'd release a clients RL info? Yes of course - and guess what, they are the same conditions under which most any other provider would out your RL info (rape, assault, etc). If you find this to be unfair, you need serious help.

My dear, you made such comments in relation to her plagiarizing your website, not in relation to a crime against your person or safety. I don't categorize plagiarism alongside rape or assault, and neither does anyone else on this SMHB.

Originally Posted by DaniellaDViante

I understand your desire to be her first WK and stick up for her...

This is bullshit. I gave an opinion as many are apt to do on a SMHB, and I even added a FWIW. Sorry that it was not to your liking.

[DaniellaDViante]

My dear, you've so elegantly continued to side step my main point: you are trying to start a new issue of hobbyist safety, over the resolved issue of plagiarism.

If you actually read (you seem to have a very hard time doing this!) the examples which I stated in my last post, I categorize theft as a reason one might have to involve RL info. Plagiarism = theft, in case you were unaware. Its also been pointed out by myself and another that litigation is impossible without RL info. The threat to involve lawyers is essentially the same as the threat to involve RL info, since one requires the other to be effective.

You have still refused to acknowledge the fact that hobbyist RL info was never a matter of the original topic.

Actually, you've pretty much ignored 90% of everything I've said. Thankfully, the actual clients haven't.

You still clearly forget that this whole matter is over. If you really wanted to get into this debacle, you kind of missed it already - sorry.

Now, if you really feel the need, you're more than welcome to keep trying to insinuate things about how I treat my clients and their screening info. Please feel free to voice your opinion. Be aware, however, of how little it matters to most everyone but you. Most just wanted the facts, which I gave.
Everyone is capable of making their own decisions and everyone already did long before you took an intrest in this. The .02 of an uninvolved member of the Eccie peanut gallery is hardly going to cause any of what you are attempting to accomplish here.

No one with any sense would ever actually take from this that I go about posting hobbyists RL info all around the internet for no good reason because I take RL info lightly, but if you insist on trying to promote that ideal, have fun. You've sure got a lot of work ahead of you.

[guest100913]

Daniella, biomed1 gave his perspective and you jumped on him for it. I have given my perspective and you have jumped on me also.

I cannot help that my opinion of your inflammatory language is unpalatable to you, but it is my opinion.

Again FWIW (obviously not much to you).

[JustaGuyinMS]

OK, STOP IT!

I'm not an official moderator, but I do have the power to close threads. I'll leave that decision to vicinms or elcid180, who are the official moderators. elcid is out of pocket and vicinms has limited time on the board this week. If this continues, I WILL close the thread and leave the decision whether it should be reopened to vicinms and elcid180 when they have time to catch up.

JaG

[DaniellaDViante]

It should have been closed long ago, probably after the website in question went down. Its long outlived its intended purpose.

Closing gets my vote.

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by DaniellaDViante

. . . .
I may come off as verbose. . . .

And.... the 2012 winner for Miss Sexy Understatement* is.....

[biomed1]

In all of the replies to your original post, no one has disagreed that Lillian was in the wrong by using/taking/stealing your intellectual property without permission for her own benefit.

I have never met you or the other provider accused of the wrong doing, nor have I had any contact with either of you prior to this thread.

In my response to your post, I gave you credit for a reasonable, restrained and intelligent response to the other party's transgression.

You stated:

"I did not bring it to this level".

My question was "If you "did not bring it to this level", who did?".

The transgressor has been mute on this board and this subject, so who did the escalation?

In your original post you made this statement:

"The only thing she didn't know is that my vanilla job involves a lot of very advanced computer espionage work."

In post # 9 you also made this statement,

"I don't think you are even realizing just how escalated things could have gotten if I really wanted to just ruin someones entire life with RL info.".

Based on the statements above from the original post and post # 9, I asked 2 clarifying questions:

• Were you warning us (the fellow board members) of your immense powers? (computer espionage work).

• Additionally, I asked if you were limiting your ability to "just ruin someones entire life with RL info" to just providers or did this statement include the Hobbyists as well.?

Another of your statements in post # 9 is troubling:

"She's only "ruined" on Eccie"

Followed by your statement in post #13:

"Things could have been worse" is not a flippant threat - its the goddamn truth."

It appears that you want to justify and mitigate the fact that you have "ruined on Eccie" another provider.

You statements that I have been insinuating this or that are simply false.

The only thing I have done is to quote you from your posts, and ask questions.

If I am guilty of insinuation in my posts, then it would only be when I made a statement about you wanting to justify or mitigate the ruination of another provider on Eccie.

You believe that you were right in escalating this issue in the manner that you chose.

Many others disagree; not that you have been or were wronged, but in the manner in which you "prosecuted" your solution.

Those that has stated opposing opinions, or asked questions have been made to suffer your verbal barrage and verbose justifications.

I have no dog in this fight, but your statements taken on their own merit are enough to raise questions in the minds of other board members.

As I said before, we will have to agree to disagree on this matter.

We will also have to agree to disagree in the manner you chose to escalate and prosecute a solution that was to your liking.

Be Careful & Enjoy!

Biomed1

[hudpud11]

ENOUGH ALREADY!!! or as JaG stated earlier STOP IT! You sound just like children fighting on the playground.

I will break this one down.

"E" post 1
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"G" post 5
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I used this format so that it would hopefully be understood better.

[JustaGuyinMS]

Good gods, this has managed to exceed my tolerance level. I am closing this. The regular moderators can decide if there is anything valuable left to be said; in that case, they can reopen it.

JaG

Having received further guidance, I have reopened this thread. I sincerely hope it has run it's course.

JaG