Making Prostitution Legal

[TheCat'sMeow]

Originally Posted by GlobeSpotter

hey idiot. it's pussy, not a FERC pipeline

^^^^^^^Someone can't play the supply and demand game!

[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by StinkyFingers

Canada recently legalized at the Federal level and many countries in Europe have legal prostitution ... Even if it were legalized, would you actually "register" with the government as a Provider? I suspect not.

Honestly, would make very little difference to me. I've been reporting taxes as a nicely-vague "entertainment consultant" for 8 years now, and see no reason to change what I've been doing. As I've stated previously, I'm also a professional companion and pleasure planner in addition to being a carnal provider.

About Canada... Prostitution may be legal, but providers are still prohibited from openly advertising, which makes NO sense. P411 is based there, and the site stopped all line ads and prohibited the mention of any specific Hobby-related acts in profiles because the laws were too strict about what could and couldn't be said.

If governments place a barrel of restrictions and regulations on anything, it usually creates or boosts the "black market." As I understand it, Colorado still has a thriving "underground" even though the unnamed industry was legalized on the state level.

I keep drawing comparisons to the two because of the similarities in moralistic attitudes and useless, expensive attempts at controlling a "crime" with few true victims.

[Richiej281]

Although it would be humorous to hear So-and-So got arrested for hooking without a licence

[StinkyFingers]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Honestly, would make very little difference to me. I've been reporting taxes as a nicely-vague "entertainment consultant" for 8 years now, and see no reason to change what I've been doing. As I've stated previously, I'm also a professional companion and pleasure planner in addition to being a carnal provider.

About Canada... Prostitution may be legal, but providers are still prohibited from openly advertising, which makes NO sense. P411 is based there, and the site stopped all line ads and prohibited the mention of any specific Hobby-related acts in profiles because the laws were too strict about what could and couldn't be said.

If governments place a barrel of restrictions and regulations on anything, it usually creates or boosts the "black market." As I understand it, Colorado still has a thriving "underground" even though the unnamed industry was legalized on the state level.

I keep drawing comparisons to the two because of the similarities in moralistic attitudes and useless, expensive attempts at controlling a "crime" with few true victims.

Oh, that is so true ... The lessons learned from Prohibition apply to both the unnamed herb and the pleasure business ... but, politicians being politicans, they'll never have the balls to just admit that it is best (and less expensive) to let consenting adults do what consenting adults want to do ... Got to be holier than thou, you know. It's all about collecting the tax revenue.

I think every government department must have a "Director Of Stupid Rules" on its staff.

But, as I thought ... legal or not, it would not make any difference and if it were legal sounds as though you would continue on as is without "registering" ...

[GinaXXX]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

About Canada... Prostitution may be legal, but providers are still prohibited from openly advertising, which makes NO sense. P411 is based there, and the site stopped all line ads and prohibited the mention of any specific Hobby-related acts in profiles because the laws were too strict about what could and couldn't be said.

Providers are not prohibited from openly advertising in Canada.

However, advertising venues (such as P411) are prohibited from allowing the public advertisement of sexual activities. Which actually does make sense, when you take into consideration that fact that advertisements in Canada (ie: weekly newspapers) we getting pretty graphic (ie: $100 anal). It was only a small step from graphic advertising being on store fronts and mobile signs... children shouldn't have to be exposed to the adult world going about their day to day activities.

Providers can discreetly advertise and then give the clients her specific "menu", as long as it's done privately (email or in person) and not open to public view.

Sure, very few (if any) children would have be able to figure out how to access P411 and view the old activities list. It sucks that we are no longer able to allow providers to list sexual activities on the site, since I believe we did it in a responsible manner that would harm no one. Regardless, I understand why this law was put into place and respect the line of thinking behind it, which is why we took steps to ensure that P411 continues to operate as a legal business.

Always,
Gina

[Fancyinheels]

Thank you for the clarification, Gina. I should have said, "...openly advertising their menu publicly in venues where such would be expected." I made a brain-to-keyboard shortcut and stand corrected. Not allowing advertisers on an ADULT services website to use industry-norm terms seems incongruous, but there's absolutely no question that P411 or BP or any similar endeavor has to follow the rules to continue operation. We Hobbyists certainly appreciate your efforts.

Whether Canada, the US, or anywhere, I think mom & dad should be taking more responsibility for what their juvenile offspring are looking at online. There are plenty of parental control devices, but how many families actually put them in place? Letting any government set standards of expression for adult sites just because they THINK kids are accessing them just makes a federal entity a babysitter.

[GinaXXX]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Whether Canada, the US, or anywhere, I think mom & dad ought to be taking more responsibility for what their juvenile offspring are looking at online.

I agree.... but there are many advertising venues that are far more "in your face" and impossible to avoid. The Canadian laws are geared towards them, even though sites like P411 are affected. I get it, even though I might not like it.

Always,
Gina

[GlobeSpotter]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

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Whether Canada, the US, or anywhere, I think mom & dad should be taking more responsibility for what their juvenile offspring are looking at online.
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That is easier said than done.

It's virtually impossible.

[italia]

Legal or Illegal

It still happens

:-P

[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by GlobeSpotter

That is easier said than done.

It's virtually impossible.

I know. Heavy sigh. But isn't the government in our beeswax enough already? Where do we draw the lines for censorship and responsibility? Laws need to catch up with the freedom of the Net, but how far will they overstep in control? When does the world become a totally regulated police state out of a sci fi scenario with someone else telling us ALL how to behave?

Now I know what my granny meant when she used to say, "I've lived too long." The present and the future are becoming too complex for my taste. Forget the Irish Chihuahua Refuge; I need to find my own Isle of Chihuahua. Happy hookers and woofers welcome as citizens. The rest of you will need to apply for green cards.

[StinkyFingers]

Originally Posted by italia

Legal or Illegal

It still happens

:-P

And always has and always will. The issue is for the government to stop criminalizing activity between consenting adults and wasting money and resources trying to regulate adults engaging in P4P of their own free will. It's just plain stupid which is why Canada and several European countries have decriminalized P4P.

The amusing irony is the number of lawyers and LE that engage in P4P on their own free time.

[River Song]

Originally Posted by TheCat'sMeow

Both will lose because the government will set the prices, controlling demand and supply,,,It's best to keep that economy more underground and more capitalistic,,,If supplier's price is too high, then there is no demand. Either she corrects it or she will not survive in the business,,,If buyer really wants the product, he will spend the asking price,,,If he does not like the price, then he can move on to another supplier. Government interference stifles competition that helps to regulate the overall prices.

This is why we must push for Decriminalization not Legalization. The govt already dictates enough of our lives, we don't need them in between our sheets too.

[GlobeSpotter]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

I know. Heavy sigh. But isn't the government in our beeswax enough already?....

yes...and I didn't suggest I wanted government involvement. In the words of Ronald Reagan, "Government .....*is* the problem."

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

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Laws need to catch up with the freedom of the Net, but how far will they overstep in control?
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too far,...we need less laws. We have 537 full time federal lawmakers. Too fuckin many already.

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

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When does the world become a totally regulated police state out of a sci fi scenario with someone else telling us ALL how to behave?

Soon,.....

....if Hillary is elected.

[spear89]

I would prefer to simply have a constitutional amendment that says no jurisdiction can ever inquire or interfere with the sexual activities of consenting adults.

[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by spear89

I would prefer to simply have a constitutional amendment that says no jurisdiction can ever inquire or interfere with the sexual activities of consenting adults.

Nicely expressed! Too simple for legalese, however. The lawyers and politicians will complicate it up and extend it to 10 paragraphs with several subsections and exclusions.

(My apologies to any attorney reading the aforementioned who isn't trying to legislate morality for individuals over the age of majority. Let's play Perry Mason and I'll be Judge Judy, although you can forget about defending my honor and bring YOUR gavel down under my robes.)