Encounter: Scammer Nancy

[atrampboy]

User ID: -
Date: 5/20/20
Name: Nancy
Phone: 816 237 8410
Email Address: -
URL (Profile or Bio Page): -
City: Albuquerque
State: New Mexico
Address: Montgomery and Carlisle
Appointment Type: Incall
Activities: None after making a couple of deposits via paypal she still wanted more before shed let me in the building so I left
Duration of Encounter: 60 minutes
Hair Length and Color: brunette, shoulder length
Age: 28
Smoking Status: -
Ethnic Background: -
Physical Description: -
Recommendation: No

[Cumofsomeyoungman]

Sorry man, it's bs that this shit happen. That is one thing I will not do. send money! Hell no! I don't know who it is. It seems that more girls are asking for deposits. We need to stand are ground and say no. Just not right. Thank you for post and good luck. Maybe PayPal will work with you.

[conjulio]

Sorry to hear that this happened to you. Paypal and these others have very strict rules and stipulations and will not refund your money. The only way around this is when you are on paypal, the money you send has to be for "goods or services". It cannot be a "donation or gift". I've had really good luck with saying that I would only send "x" amount of dollars and I state specifically that it's for "pictures" or "sexy pictures" in "exchange for towards gas money", etc. So in this case, the girl must send you pictures or the girl must do whatever before the funds are released to her. The girl can see the money is in her account "sort of" because it oftentimes states "pending". So she knows that the funds are there. If she doesn't do what she is supposed to do, then the funds will not get released. Only after she does what she is suppose to do, then you can release the funds.

Obviously, you're not releasing funds for sex acts as this sort of thing is illegal. This is why I stated "sex' pictures" or "gas money" or "food" or "towards dinner" etc. The pictures part is a very important part of it because if she does somehow scam you in some way (I don't know how she would be able to) because you are the one who will release the funds after she sends you the pics, etc. You have pictures that you can show to the authorities. Now obviously if she is not the girl in the pics, then this will work if you are going to the authorities. Nor will it work saying "you got ripped off" because you did state "for sexy pics" and you did receive them in the first place...

I've had really good luck and success with girls sending me their pics and it is stated on there for "sexy pics" in exchange or "towards gas money" for meeting up. So basically, if she doesn't meet up or send pictures, etc. then she doesn't get the funds released to her. If she is a "relatively honest girl" just trying to protect herself, and she meets up with you, then you know that she is more genuine. If she still balks at meeting up, won't send pics, etc. Then scammer. Now doing things this way won't prevent or rule out 100% of scammers out there. However,I will say I haven't lost out since doing it this way thus far...

[Radwaste]

Great tip

[joyote]

conjulio, that sounds tediously complicated and a dubious strategy
I’m glad you are happy, but I don’t get it

what prevents you from getting stood up?
+ paying good money for “sexy pics” of who knows who?
if you like sexy pics, there are tons available for free

go to authorities? no way

I have a simpler strategy...
cash - maybe we can work it out
paypal, venmo, crypto - no

[Expresso Jim]

Agree 100% Joyote. STG is a barren wasteland for me. Once I eliminate tar online prepay scammers, those selling pux and videos, and the smokers, there's not much left. Good luck finding the handful worth contacting.

Originally Posted by joyote

conjulio, that sounds tediously complicated and a dubious strategy
I’m glad you are happy, but I don’t get it

what prevents you from getting stood up?
+ paying good money for “sexy pics” of who knows who?
if you like sexy pics, there are tons available for free

go to authorities? no way

I have a simpler strategy...
cash - maybe we can work it out
paypal, venmo, crypto - no

[Cumofsomeyoungman]

Dang this sucks! Ther are a lot of scammers out. Its is not easy to find a real provider. I haven't had much luck at all. Most ask for deposit. Haha! I've been stude-up before. This is why I recently jumped on board here. At lest I can get a Ida of who is out there. Good luck to all!

[conjulio]

Originally Posted by joyote

conjulio, that sounds tediously complicated and a dubious strategy
I’m glad you are happy, but I don’t get it

what prevents you from getting stood up?
+ paying good money for “sexy pics” of who knows who?
if you like sexy pics, there are tons available for free

go to authorities? no way

I have a simpler strategy...
cash - maybe we can work it out
paypal, venmo, crypto - no

I've used it for SA. I haven't used it for stg or any other.

[RedorGreenorXmas]

I've never prepaid for anything without seeing a person first, and never will - there are way to many fish in the water, no matter how cute their pics are.

On SA, the very small handful of times I have been weak in the knees (due to thinking with my small brain), and have agreed to give someone a bit of money after meeting them but BEFORE going BCD, I have almost always been screwed over.

Don't prepay for anyone!!! And at the same time... don't be an asshat and flake on a person if you have made a commitment to see them, that's often what leads to women wanting to be prepaid.

[joyote]

I have tried to follow this thru. Here is how I see it playing out

You place a nominal amount (say, 20) in “her” acct, for “sexy pics”
PrePay (who could be anyone) sends a few photos that seem to check out
PrePay has done what you asked
Do you then release the funds?

Either way, then what?

If you don’t release it, does she not say “wtf”?
You pull back your 20, and you are only out your wasted time
But the photos chkd out. So what was the point?

If you release it, PrePay now has a taste of your $
ostensibly proving that you are “serious”
but what has it bought you?
PrePay still could be anyone
The photos, anyone

Suppose, having released the 20, you now say...
Ok, let’s meet
Seems what’s likely to follow is, PrePay says...
Ok, first deposit X more to my acct

At this point, hopefully, you bail

Substitute “towards gas money” or “towards dinner”
for “sexy pics” in the above scenario
It does not seem to play out much differently
except, leaving you in even more of a lurch

PrePay has never left his chair
he pockets your 20, laughing his ass off
puffs his cigar, thinking...
Only 9 more today makes 200
On to the next one

You, thinking...
Damn. Oh well. I’m only out 20 (well, that + X hrs)
But at least I have these awesome sexy pics!
On to the next one

Perhaps the most intriguing statement you make, here, is...
Now you have photos you can show to authorities

Really?

You then point out why this might *not* work
but you don’t say how it possibly *could* be to any advantage
Under what circumstance, and to what end
might you possibly present these dubious photos to authorities?
If somebody got killed, or (very) seriously injured
I could see *maybe* trying to help nail the culprit
but that seems pretty unlikely
Otherwise, I can not even remotely imagine
offering photos I know next to nothing about
as, what, evidence?

I consider anything paid out in the hobby to be irretrievable

I hope I got at least some of this wrong
I am frankly bewildered as to how this works for you

[Spider-fly]

I have been hustled and had some success with the deposit thing. I tend dismiss deposits but think of it like gambling. Never bet more than you are willing to lose. And as impossible as it seems, sometimes bets on providers pays out big time. The good scammers excel at getting you excited. When that happens, it is too easy not to think. The same hustle exists at strips clubs, where a good tease can empty a wallet. The lose of dough is a combo lust tax and stupid tax. Learn from hobby mistakes.

[conjulio]

Originally Posted by joyote

I have tried to follow this thru. Here is how I see it playing out

You place a nominal amount (say, 20) in “her” acct, for “sexy pics”
PrePay (who could be anyone) sends a few photos that seem to check out
PrePay has done what you asked
Do you then release the funds?

Either way, then what?

If you don’t release it, does she not say “wtf”?
You pull back your 20, and you are only out your wasted time
But the photos chkd out. So what was the point?

If you release it, PrePay now has a taste of your $
ostensibly proving that you are “serious”
but what has it bought you?
PrePay still could be anyone
The photos, anyone

Suppose, having released the 20, you now say...
Ok, let’s meet
Seems what’s likely to follow is, PrePay says...
Ok, first deposit X more to my acct

At this point, hopefully, you bail

Substitute “towards gas money” or “towards dinner”
for “sexy pics” in the above scenario
It does not seem to play out much differently
except, leaving you in even more of a lurch

PrePay has never left his chair
he pockets your 20, laughing his ass off
puffs his cigar, thinking...
Only 9 more today makes 200
On to the next one

You, thinking...
Damn. Oh well. I’m only out 20 (well, that + X hrs)
But at least I have these awesome sexy pics!
On to the next one

Perhaps the most intriguing statement you make, here, is...
Now you have photos you can show to authorities

Really?

You then point out why this might *not* work
but you don’t say how it possibly *could* be to any advantage
Under what circumstance, and to what end
might you possibly present these dubious photos to authorities?
If somebody got killed, or (very) seriously injured
I could see *maybe* trying to help nail the culprit
but that seems pretty unlikely
Otherwise, I can not even remotely imagine
offering photos I know next to nothing about
as, what, evidence?

I consider anything paid out in the hobby to be irretrievable

I hope I got at least some of this wrong
I am frankly bewildered as to how this works for you

The deposit is also towards their donation that they were asking for towards meeting up. This is like a stalemate. If it was $200 for them to meet bcd and you send them $25 - 30 for pictures and towards gas money as assurance that they are going to show up. They already know that you're serious and not going to string them around. If they want the rest of the $175 or so, then they are going to have to show up and do their part. The pictures are good "faith effort" on their part for confirming that they are who they say they are and are willing to take a chance on "you" doing your part.


Versus with a stalemate, the girl on the other end saying they won't meet up because they've been scammed too many times and the guy on the other end saying to the girl that he won't give any money or pre-pay because he's been scammed too many times. As spider-fly has said, there is an inherent risk in any of this. The point of all of this to minimize the risk for all of us. My experiences have shown that versus what I had done previously and being scammed previously is that I've minimized my losses (with being scammed) and if the girl really is for real and genuine then she will meet up. There are some girls that are so strapped for cash that they don't have money for gas to meet you at the restaurant or a public place (before all this covid stuff) or even money for food, etc., let alone anything else being said.


So Joyote, I see your points and they are valid. This isn't going to be for everybody nor is it going to work in all cases. However, if it helps with making a compromise with the situation overall of the guy having some skin in the game and the girl sees that (if she is genuine) and the guy sees that girl has some skin in the game as well, then they (I would assume) would be more apt to meet.

[goodman0422]

I sent gas money once after the girl sent me a picture of her holding a post it note w my hobby name on it. Big surprise, she did not come thru.

When she says she has been ripped off before, it most likely means:
She is lying and is trying to scam you.
She is fake and the guy didn't want the real girl.
She refused to provide the expected service
Best case, she is stupid. Expect more stupidity.

No matter what the reason, Im not doing it unless we have met before and we have some level of trust.

[joyote]

I will try to summarize & keep this short

conjulio, I find your process, as you described it, to be lopsided
heavily weighted in favor of the alleged provider

by making a prepaid deposit,
you do much to assure that you will follow thru
nowhere in the process do I see any credible assurance
that *she* will follow thru

I understand that alleged providers requesting a prepaid deposit is a trend
I think, the more they successfully get away with that...
the more they will see that they *can* get away with it

[Diego Smith]

Certainly on SA, the trend toward deposits (and large deposits -- $200) has grown in the last few months. Some random thoughts inspired by the above:

I wouldn't pay ANY escort a deposit unless she is well reviewed or you have a foolproof way to verify her. I'm not playing in the escort world right now, so I am not up-to-speed, but I would guess there are maybe three or four women around that would get a deposit from me, and all of them have two or three year reputations on ECCIE. Just don't do it.

On SA, if I suspect scam, I ask to go to text. Then I ask for a selfie with a specific thing, like Goodman's paper note (only I keep it simpler -- holding up a peace sign, or a finger touching her forehead). In the 30 days I spent on SA just recently, only one woman sent me that selfie and six declined - so scammers. (The one turned out to be absolutely nuts, BTW, but it WAS the woman in the pics, lol.)

The fallout from FOSTA/SESTA and the combined impact of Covid19 is going to leave all pay-for-play in a turmoil for months. It's a different world -- husbands, boyfriends are home; kids are home; babysitters are scared to "come over"; meet and greet opportunities are scarce. Remember, too, that many of these women are collecting unemployment from the state and from the Feds -- and making more money than they were making pre-Covid19. When that money starts to run out, and it will, then the p4p field will get more sane. Patience is important -- this will all shake out. And paying deposits to strangers and GPS women is only going to embolden them and make the time to return to normal last longer.

The women, escorts or SBs, are taking a huge risk seeing us, too -- there are some bad guys out there. Empathy goes a long way with a legit woman. And there are ways to work through putting everyone at ease. But Joyote is spot on -- a deposit proves you are committed, but it does nothing to prove her commitment. A deposit should not be one cent more than you are willing to walk away from. And to Atrampboy -- when she asked for the second deposit, your first deposit was already gone...I will give gas money (maybe $20), but the next cash transaction is after we are naked.

I did a quick calculation, and I have been playing in the p4p world a little over 8 years. I have done 4 or 5 "stupid things" and 2 "really stupid things". So I am averaging almost one serious regret a year, but I'm trying to get smarter...

Be safe, smart and patient...everything is cyclical and p4p will get more sane when life in general gets more sane...