A bit one sided?

[averageguy12367]

Most of you are aware that the majority of providers have some sort of disclaimer about us wasting their time. Some are automatic banning from future bookings, some require monetary compensation. I understand, and agree with this. But what if they waste our time? What compensation do we get? This past year I had a few instances of this. 1. Set a date and communication was great at first. Day of meet, drove 50 miles to city of her incall, asked for an address, and nothing. 2. Asked for an incall. Time comes, I ask for an address and get told I can get a hotel room and send her the address or do a car date. Why agree to an incall if you don't have one? 3. Set an appointment for 9pm. She texted saying she was delayed and asked to move it back an hour. Then another hour. Then spent 30th minutes outside apartment waiting. I did finally see her and I enjoyed myself but 2 1/2 late. 4. Had an appointment set, got a text saying she was running late and would text when ready if I was still interested. I was. 2 hours past time set, she texted and asks how quickly i can get to her incall. I respond and head that way. Get to the address and text to let her know I'm there and nothing. No response. 5. Asked for hours of availability and got a quick response. Then asked for appointment and 3 days later, no response. Let us know if you're screening or if you don't want the appointment. These are all well reviewed providers and all but 1 are P411 members.

[LustyBustyGina38FF]

You had to do all that wating I wold of moved on or cancled
At some point this kind of provider will get that she needs to get Organized or she not going to make any money.

It's a shame some providers are like this , but then it makes me think what type of a providers guy's pick that does this or what site you find them on?

[GutterFund]

Originally Posted by averageguy12367

... But what if they waste our time? What compensation do we get? ...

I haven't had this problem in many years but it certainly does exist. But I can tell you how I used to look at it. My compensation was education. I learned who I did not want to see, how to handle my communications differently, and, eventually, how to avoid it altogether. I would think you also should discourage this behavior among companions by simply refusing to tolerate it. Walk away.

[Holedriller]

I have become tired of trying to meet most independents. In the past several years I would guess that close to 50% of the attempts of booking never happened. Either I was ignored confirmed an appointment but ghosted later. For this reason I find myself spending more time at the AMP's. There are disappointments at the amp's but at least I get a message.

I have promised myself that I would try some of the local talent but find it hard to plan more than a day in advance. Getting in touch with the locals seems to take too long. I made a new years pledge to suck it up and put more effort in the pursuit of happiness.

[LustyBustyGina38FF]

Originally Posted by GutterFund

I haven't had this problem in many years but it certainly does exist. But I can tell you how I used to look at it. My compensation was education. I learned who I did not want to see, how to handle my communications differently, and, eventually, how to avoid it altogether. I would think you also should discourage this behavior among companions by simply refusing to tolerate it. Walk away.

100% I would think you also should discourage this behavior among companions by simply refusing to tolerate it. Walk away.

Never in my time of being a provider have I ever gosted anyone. But when you are a touring provider as myself you keep your appts and keep your tour dates , unless your dead ..

[KCFalcon77]

Originally Posted by Holedriller

I have become tired of trying to meet most independents. In the past several years I would guess that close to 50% of the attempts of booking never happened. Either I was ignored confirmed an appointment but ghosted later. For this reason I find myself spending more time at the AMP's. There are disappointments at the amp's but at least I get a message.

I have promised myself that I would try some of the local talent but find it hard to plan more than a day in advance. Getting in touch with the locals seems to take too long. I made a new years pledge to suck it up and put more effort in the pursuit of happiness.

Some sage advise from GF and Miss Gina, but I'll add a few thoughts. I'd look at where you doing your shopping, and the general success rate of the gents who frequent those sites. I understand there's a market for everyone and a price point they're comfortable with. Personally I have no tolerance for sites that have such a high rate of a) no shows, b) lack luster performance c) or general poor quality surroundings. Sites like STG, or LC as an example seem to have a high rate of poor reviews and issues of ladies who are just "working" for the next buck. Research for ladies who have an overwhelming number of VERY satisfied reviews. Then look at the gents who review them, and what kind of ladies they generally see. This will provide more insight as to the realism of the reviews. While this may lead you into a bit higher price point, you can then decide if your searching for a REALLY quality experience, (my choice) or just want to have an immediate need satisfied. Would you trade 2 or 3 lukewarm encounters, (or no shows) for one memorable encounter. It all depends on what you really want out of your dates, and how much your willing to put into maxamizing the chance for a superior outcome. The ladies are out there, you just have to learn how to do the research....

[Fizley]

Sounds like you did most of it right.

The only different thing I would of done is confirmed the appointment before I left on the drive. If I don't get a response I assume there is no appointment.

You can leave a flake review.

[Holedriller]

Unfortunately for me I am in an area of very few providers.

[LustyBustyGina38FF]

Originally Posted by KCFalcon77

Some sage advise from GF and Miss Gina, but I'll add a few thoughts. I'd look at where you doing your shopping, and the general success rate of the gents who frequent those sites. I understand there's a market for everyone and a price point they're comfortable with. Personally I have no tolerance for sites that have such a high rate of a) no shows, b) lack luster performance c) or general poor quality surroundings. Sites like STG, or LC as an example seem to have a high rate of poor reviews and issues of ladies who are just "working" for the next buck. Research for ladies who have an overwhelming number of VERY satisfied reviews. Then look at the gents who review them, and what kind of ladies they generally see. This will provide more insight as to the realism of the reviews. While this may lead you into a bit higher price point, you can then decide if your searching for a REALLY quality experience, (my choice) or just want to have an immediate need satisfied. Would you trade 2 or 3 lukewarm encounters, (or no shows) for one memorable encounter. It all depends on what you really want out of your dates, and how much your willing to put into maxamizing the chance for a superior outcome. The ladies are out there, you just have to learn how to do the research....

Well said!

[Ed Highlight]

1) Nobody can take advantage of you without your consent.

2) I would rather regret NOT seeing a lady than regret seeing her.

[Fizley]

I look at flakes a little different than most Here.

I work from home and rarely see anyone except for Zoom calls and the occasional in person meeting. A flake means: I was able to get out of the house, have someplace to drive to, and have the anticipation of being able to see someone.

When she flakes, I usually find a bar, have a bite to eat, spread the $$ on the bar and take a photo. I send that photo to the same text messages thanking her for flaking. SHE saved me money by not showing up and imagine the service if she had. The provider did not have the common decency to tell you:her cat died, or
Her child was sick, she had aunt flo, her pimp was having fun with her, or what ever other excuse.

[ben dover]

Originally Posted by Fizley

I look at flakes a little different than most Here.

I work from home and rarely see anyone except for Zoom calls and the occasional in person meeting. A flake means: I was able to get out of the house, have someplace to drive to, and have the anticipation of being able to see someone.

When she flakes, I usually find a bar, have a bite to eat, spread the $$ on the bar and take a photo. I send that photo to the same text messages thanking her for flaking. SHE saved me money by not showing up and imagine the service if she had. The provider did not have the common decency to tell you:her cat died, or
Her child was sick, she had aunt flo, her pimp was having fun with her, or what ever other excuse.

Done the exact same thing myself.

[Ripmany]

That why I don't pay deposit. I don't pay up front I paying last for service is best part hobby. But I have weighted any more I would just take off. To listen phone ring 50 times. My phone ringing 50 times is a better get off than any thing.

[LadyAnastasia]

i have heard so much of this. When I start foreseeing too many issues, I say we cut it quits. Worst case, I offer to get coffee to see if were still a good match.

Im sure those issues would have followed you BCD.

[Pangolier]

Originally Posted by averageguy12367

Most of you are aware that the majority of providers have some sort of disclaimer about us wasting their time. Some are automatic banning from future bookings, some require monetary compensation. I understand, and agree with this. But what if they waste our time? What compensation do we get? This past year I had a few instances of this. 1. Set a date and communication was great at first. Day of meet, drove 50 miles to city of her incall, asked for an address, and nothing. 2. Asked for an incall. Time comes, I ask for an address and get told I can get a hotel room and send her the address or do a car date. Why agree to an incall if you don't have one? 3. Set an appointment for 9pm. She texted saying she was delayed and asked to move it back an hour. Then another hour. Then spent 30th minutes outside apartment waiting. I did finally see her and I enjoyed myself but 2 1/2 late. 4. Had an appointment set, got a text saying she was running late and would text when ready if I was still interested. I was. 2 hours past time set, she texted and asks how quickly i can get to her incall. I respond and head that way. Get to the address and text to let her know I'm there and nothing. No response. 5. Asked for hours of availability and got a quick response. Then asked for appointment and 3 days later, no response. Let us know if you're screening or if you don't want the appointment. These are all well reviewed providers and all but 1 are P411 members.

The goal of women in this business is to make money. If they provided men with money due to their mistakes, they would lose it. They only way they would feel pressured into it is possibly due to something like a bad review, but most won't. This is an atypical business. If you were running a retail store, and I reported you to the Better Business Bureau, you'd probably get your ass in line pretty quickly. But this is an underground business, where women hold all the power. Men are the consumers, and the demand comes from us. What do women stand to lose by messing up, other than a tarnished reputation? If they ghost a guy, they already know they've lost him as a customer. So unless they think they will lose several more customers from that one instance, then they won't care.


Is it unfair? Yes. Can we do anything about it? Not really.



That being said, I have had girls offer me extra time or extra benefits like rate reduction, due to making mistakes, but this is not common. It was usually from providers I was very well established with, or those with a business mindset ie I once met a sex worker who was also a real estate agent.