If you want change then put it on the ballot

[sexykarma]

If you want change in this country, instead of voting on useless leaders that do the usual politically correct things, put spending issues and immigration issues on the ballot for a direct vote by the american people to determine our future role in these topics:

Nonentitlement programs like welfare
Nationbuilding, especially oil rich countries
Foreign aid packages for over 200 countries globally
US participation in the United Nations
Military involvement, interventions, and police actions
on the global stage
Immigration quotas
Refugee admissions
DACA
Government grants for artsy fartsy studies of spotted
beetles and other who gives a shit causes


I've been listening to people all over in public places like bars, restaurants, cafes, get togethers for over 50 years....I've never heard a single one of them speak up in favor of having more of any of those items listed above. If this is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people then give them the chance to decide how they want the taxes garnished from their earnings spent. It's an easy guess that most of these issues would be voted down to almost nothing or completely out if americans had the chance to decide these issues in a direct vote.

It's clear to me and anybody else that's paying attention that americans want their tax dollars spent on american schools, american roads, american bridges.....an overall rotting american infrastructure. They are clearly sick and tired of hearing about billions of dollars of aid to Israel and Palestine while our own teachers go on strike for low pay, people driving on shit roads because state budgets are underfunded, while some oil rich countries that can afford to pay their own way get handouts by the US taxpayer.

It's not isolationism, it's clearly being responsible with the taxpayer's dollars. If dollars are going garnished from the people then they should damn well have the right to say where they are spent and who's getting them. It doesn't matter if it's only a percent or two, all this adds up to billions and billions of dollars....the people have the right to decide by direct vote.

It's not gonna happen by voting for Trump or Biden or anyone in the next string of politically correct losers, it's not gonna happen by writing to some disinterested congressman, bitch all you want about whatever candidate you want, it's all the same politics year after year regardless who gets elected. Put these issues on the ballot instead of waiting for the next blowhard-do-nothing to be responsible stewards of our tax dollars.

[oeb11]

SK - you make sense in your post.

The right to vote is precious - and the programs are voted upon by elected representatives.

many of those programs - and most foreign aid - I abhor. Vote out the Congressional supporters and vote in new Ones with a different POV
It is representative democracy in Action.

I encourage your vote!


BTW - DACA - in the milieu of cost of federal programs - it is miniscule. We as Americans made a pact to admit under DACA underage immigrants legally. Those DACA recipients who have respected America - grown and lived by rule of law - hopefully learned English and are thriving in the land of opportunity as constructive citizens - I welcome - and feel we should offer a pathway to citizenship if they desire to become citizens.

I welcome legally entered law abiding peoples to America.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by sexykarma

It's not gonna happen by voting for Trump or Biden or anyone in the next string of politically correct losers, it's not gonna happen by writing to some disinterested congressman, bitch all you want about whatever candidate you want, it's all the same politics year after year regardless who gets elected. Put these issues on the ballot instead of waiting for the next blowhard-do-nothing to be responsible stewards of our tax dollars.

This is as much as I read. Politics as usual. Humanity as usual.

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

if yous say so

just remember that even Nazis have the right to free speech on a whore board in Trump's America.

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

awwww those poor pussies at the NSC. they think they make foreign policy. well they don't. this is happening because the person who does make foreign policy .. the President is unconcerned with the NSC's "opinions".

As long as there are people in power who think like these two idiots, your post is moot.

It's time to swing the other way.

Blood red dawn?

[oeb11]

Civil War - fomented by the racist, marxist DPST party (and dead YSL) is coming!
more like 'red dawn' with Patrick Swayze


When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


The future of racist, marxist DPST autocracy!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

This is as much as I read. Politics as usual. Humanity as usual.


As long as there are people in power who think like these two idiots, your post is moot.

It's time to swing the other way.

Blood red dawn?

yet another post advocating for Marxism? if Socialism is so great, why has it failed in every instance large or small? the USSR collapsed. China would have but they changed their economy and quietly embraced Capitalist models. yes .. Capitalist models. butt yous knew that, right?

Castro lived like a King when he ruled Cuba. had seaside villas that cost millions. all the while the people of Cuba suffered. Fidel and Raul and your beloved fuctard Che were mass murderers. how do you justify that? down with the Evil corrupt capitalists? the Castros were just as corrupt as the guy they overthrew, Fulgencio Batista. and worse in terms of brutal suppression. and yet you idolize these communist assholes.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

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yet another post advocating for Marxism? if Socialism is so great, why has it failed in every instance large or small? the USSR collapsed. China would have but they changed their economy and quietly embraced Capitalist models. yes .. Capitalist models. butt yous knew that, right?

Castro lived like a King when he ruled Cuba. had seaside villas that cost millions. all the while the people of Cuba suffered. Fidel and Raul and your beloved fuctard Che were mass murderers. how do you justify that? down with the Evil corrupt capitalists? the Castros were just as corrupt as the guy they overthrew, Fulgencio Batista. and worse in terms of brutal suppression. and yet you idolize these communist assholes.

First thought, where'd you get that extra like?

[eccieuser9500]

As soon as you and that fuck face who liked your post can tell me where Fascism is accepted, I'll tell you exactly where Socialism works.

[eccieuser9500]

Why didn't gambling work in 50's Cuba?

Let's get real political.

YUU WANNA KNO WHA CA-PITALISM IZZZ? GETTIN' FFFUCKED! THASS WHA.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

First thought, where'd you get that extra like?

I bought it from some guy named Vladimir. said he's Russian. probably is.

and where is your defense of the great Socialist utopia? show me a shining example of success. you can find one, yeah??

BAHHAAAAA

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

I bought it from some guy named Vladimir. said he's Russian. probably is.

and where is your defense of the great Socialist utopia? show me a shining example of success. you can find one, yeah??

BAHHAAAAA

Yes. My own. And I'd like to share it. It's a Spanish tradition. But then, as I've heard, "tradition is the illusion of permanence."

Tell me, though, where on Earth has it been accepted that one man should rule many countries without their consideration?









Buying Russian bot-likes?

What'r you guys doin' to the election?

[eccieuser9500]

You see, ladies and gentlemen, as I put forth, The Wiki Kid and I are as opposed as opposites can be. But we, so far, are civil.

Who cracks? Well . . . the crack pot.







Keep it funny fuckhead.

[Jacuzzme]

Doesn’t matter if something is voted down, politicians will do what they want anyways.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Yes. My own. And I'd like to share it. It's a Spanish tradition. But then, as I've heard, "tradition is the illusion of permanence."

Tell me, though, where on Earth has it been accepted that one man should rule many countries without their consideration?



Buying Russian bot-likes?

What'r you guys doin' to the election?

how exactly are yous an example of socialist success? are yous on Gov welfare?

BAHHAAA

[eccieuser9500]

HAVANA went berserk on New Year's Day, 1959. Wild-eyed young men and women erupted from their homes into the streets. Students poured out of the campuses. Instead of recuperating quietly from the revels of New Year's Eve, Havanans flocked outdoors in droves.

They cheered, they whistled, they danced in the streets when they heard that Batista, his family and cohorts had fled the country by plane at about two a.m.

The people surged toward downtown Havana. They carried Cuban flags and sang the national anthem. Car caravans bedecked with flags, the horns blowing, inched through the marchers.

In downtown Havana, the crowds reached a peak of excitement, then raced for the luxury hotels which housed the biggest gambling casinos. The casinos were prime targets of Castro. They were run by professional gamblers and gangsters from the United States who had paid the Batista regime huge sums for the privilege.

Batista's brother-in-law controlled all 10,000 slot machines in Cuba, which contributed million to the regime's bank account. The slot machines, symbols of the ousted leader, were especially sought out by the mobs.

Most of the demonstrators had never been able to afford the high-priced pleasures of the multi-million-dollar hotels. Now they didn't hesitate. With a roar they shoved their way into the air-conditioned, deeply carpeted hotel lobbies and made for the casinos.

The demonstrators were not there to place bets, but to wipe out the citadels of the corrupt and privileged classes. In the huge lobbies of the hotels, they finally found the doors to the casinos–and found them closed.

Rifle butts, clubs and lobby furniture pounded against the solid doors until the bars and locks gave way. Inside they found roulette tables, dice tables and card tables, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gambling equipment in each casino. There were fancy bars with every kind of liquor available. On the floors were deep-pile carpets and overhead sparkled costly chandeliers.

With howls of revenge the mob set to work destroying the playthings of the rich. The slot machines were overturned and bashed into twisted hulks of metal. The roulette wheels and tables were broken into more parts than they had numbers.

The military and the police had wisely stayed in their barracks. The officers knew that their men would encourage and perhaps join the mobs. There was nothing and no one to prevent the crowds from taking the casinos apart from wall to wall. They did. Nothing was left usable or in one piece.

By the end of New Year's Day, there wasn't even a matched pair of dice left in the casinos of Havana.

Fidel Castro had always hated gambling. He viewed it as a criminal waste of the nation's financial resources and, as during the heyday of Fulgencio Batista, as an invitation to governmental graft and corruption.

When Castro finally gained power in Cuba, he abolished gambling in his first batch of decrees. Then he learned the facts of government life–it was a losing bet to attempt running the country without the gambling revenue. Without the spinning wheel and the click of the bones, tourists would go elsewhere.

Thus, he legalized it again, just as the others before him had, but he added a new twist. The gambling is run under strict supervision of the government, and Castro has promised that any official found dipping his hand into the till will be punished most severely. None has been caught yet.

Two types of gambling predominated in the days before Castro. Both held opportunities for graft. There were the games of chances played in casinos, and the lottery run by the state.

The plush casinos and gambling houses in Cuba during the era of Batista were run by some of the Syndicate boys from the United States, the ones who had been smart or lucky enough to escape death as gangsters during the Capone years in Chicago.

The Syndicate boys were the only ones who knew enough to run the casinos at a profit. They were the best in their business and were considered respectable businessmen in Havana. Instead of using guns for protection, they paid government officials for the right to operate without trouble. It cost fantastic sums to operate and pay the government officials and taxes and still come out with a profit, but the gangsters had spent a lifetime learning their trade and proved in Cuba that they had graduate with honors.

Top dog in the legitimate gambling racket in Cuba was
Meyer Lansky, known in the United States as the man whom Senator Kefauver and committee had dubbed as one of the top ten racketeers in this country. Lansky knew all the angles and he was very happy when Batista asked him to come out into the sunlight of respectability and set up the legalized gambling venture in Cuba.

Lansky brought to Cuba the cream of the gamblers from Las Vegas, Reno, and New York. His right-hand man was his brother Jake, who was installed as floor manager in the Hotel Nacional's casino. Then there was

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

how exactly are yous an example of socialist success? are yous on Gov welfare?

BAHHAAA

I do what I want. When I want. Why I want and how I want. The rest goes to the rest of my crew.










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