Closing thread, Deuces Wild

[Wanna bone]

I see you've closed the alert thread that had not been settled.

Let me tell you what it looks like to an outsider if I may without getting an infraction which may not be possible

And alert was posted on somebody and serious charges were made. For all we know this guy is probably OK and she may be seeing the situation only from her perspective, or even worse STAFF EDIT took his money and had somebody rough him up and sent him on his way. Now you have all the providers privately emailing back-and-forth and receiving this person's information.

The guy in question has zero opportunity to defend himself. He maybe such a good guy and he's right here on this board and don't even know he's being back stabbed.

That's why a name is not being posted, somebody don't want this person side of the story.

[Cpalmson]

May I suggest you read the guidelines. Giving out someone's real life name is forbidden. It is abundantly obvious that the provider does not wish to give out certain information. If the guy was truly interested, he would have had plenty of time to state his case. He didn't. If he still wants to, he is perfectly clear to start another thread on this topic, and they can be merged. Oh, you won't be receiving an infraction but you will be receiving a warning. I strongly suggest you read our guidelines.

[Wanna bone]

Originally Posted by Cpalmson

May I suggest you read the guidelines. Giving out someone's real life name is forbidden. It is abundantly obvious that the provider does not wish to give out certain information. If the guy was truly interested, he would have had plenty of time to state his case. He didn't. If he still wants to, he is perfectly clear to start another thread on this topic, and they can be merged. Oh, you won't be receiving an infraction but you will be receiving a warning. I strongly suggest you read our guidelines.

So it is a member, as you are aware real world information is allowed on non members, frowned upon but in certain situations (if they are a threat) it is with in the rules to out non-members.

[dj8rocks]

WB, may I ask where in the forum guidelines it states that it is ok to disclose any RW information regardless of whether they are an ECCIE member or not? I have seen links removed and edited concerning BP providers, ie, arrest reports etc? Regardless of the fact of an individual being a "member" or not, we must all use common sense and courtesy when it comes to RW info. We all should be very careful and diligent to protect everybody's privacy in this industry. JMHO. Good luck, dj8

[Wanna bone]

Originally Posted by dj8rocks

WB, may I ask where in the forum guidelines it states that it is ok to disclose any RW information regardless of whether they are an ECCIE member or not? I have seen links removed and edited concerning BP providers, ie, arrest reports etc? Regardless of the fact of an individual being a "member" or not, we must all use common sense and courtesy when it comes to RW info. We all should be very careful and diligent to protect everybody's privacy in this industry. JMHO. Good luck, dj8

#5 - Outing or threats of outing are taken seriously. Membership here is anonymous and for the privacy of our members it will remain that way. That means any effort or attempt to connect a person's real world information to their username on this board will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. This includes real names, employment, medical info, addresses past or present, images, criminal or driving record, etc. We expect everyone who participates here to respect and go to great lengths to protect the anonymity and privacy of one another. Reckless disregard or accidental outing will also be taken very seriously.

[rrabbit6926]

#5 - Outing or threats of outing are taken seriously. Membership here is anonymous and for the privacy of our members it will remain that way. That means any effort or attempt to connect a person's real world information to their username on this board will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. This includes real names, employment, medical info, addresses past or present, images, criminal or driving record, etc. We expect everyone who participates here to respect and go to great lengths to protect the anonymity and privacy of one another. Reckless disregard or accidental outing will also be taken very seriously.

No where in the rules does it mention it is ok to out someone who is not a member. The golden rule to remember is just don't give RW info about someone weather they are a member or not. This rules applies to both providers and hobbyist.

[Victoriajolie]

Nowhere i have outed this person...This person is using me as reference and i have the right to not provider a reference for that person and would endanger that escort as this person isn't safe to see.As he was still has récent giving my name as reference my warning is not to believe someone is okay just because he drop my name..To verify with me
No one is obligate should be force to see a client...If that person feel uncomfortable by the irrationnel behavior of that person ...A simple NO should have suffice and this person should have move on..Treats were made to me and to this person.
The last person that contacted for a reference for him was already extremely not comfortable by the behavior of this person...I don't see why i would tell he is a gent,polite,and recommend him when i don't...I see by this person behavior that he could be harmful..DOESNT take NO as answer and was on my ignore and contact me with other info after i refuse to see him.Rough,rude,disrespectful,f orceful.Contacted ladies with different infos on several occasions which is deceiptful when the lady already déclined

NOW please stop questioning my judgment..This person has already replied to one tread regardent this also told me his version after calling me carry which were inacceptable to justify his immature and phsychotic behavior.Who send picture of ATM and cash to someone to persuade them to see them?
ANY LADIES ARE AND SHOULD BE ALLOW TO REFUSE MEETING TO ANYONE THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TO MEET..HE BROUGHT IT ON HIS OWN AND I WILL NOT STAND BY HIM AND TELL LADIES HE IS FINE WHEN HE IS NOT.

You obviously have "a beef" toward this because 95% of your posts are about it.

VJ

[Wanna bone]

Originally Posted by VictoriaJolie

Nowhere i have outed this person...This person is using me as reference and i have the right to not provider a reference for that person and would endanger that escort as this person isn't safe to see.As he was still has récent giving my name as reference my warning is not to believe someone is okay just because he drop my name..To verify with me
No one is obligate should be force to see a client...If that person feel uncomfortable by the irrationnel behavior of that person ...A simple NO should have suffice and this person should have move on..Treats were made to me and to this person.
The last person that contacted for a reference for him was already extremely not comfortable by the behavior of this person...I don't see why i would tell he is a gent,polite,and recommend him when i don't...I see by this person behavior that he could be harmful..DOESNT take NO as answer and was on my ignore and contact me with other info after i refuse to see him.Rough,rude,disrespectful,f orceful.Contacted ladies with different infos on several occasions which is deceiptful when the lady already déclined

NOW please stop questioning my judgment..This person has already replied to one tread regardent this also told me his version after calling me carry which were inacceptable to justify his immature and phsychotic behavior.Who send picture of ATM and cash to someone to persuade them to see them?
ANY LADIES ARE AND SHOULD BE ALLOW TO REFUSE MEETING TO ANYONE THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TO MEET..HE BROUGHT IT ON HIS OWN AND I WILL NOT STAND BY HIM AND TELL LADIES HE IS FINE WHEN HE IS NOT.

You obviously have "a beef" toward this because 95% of your posts are about it.

VJ

I'm not denying the incident, really I'm not, I don't think that you frabricated this incident, but it's even more confusing now then before.

[Precious_b]

Rabbit has the fulcrum of the argument. And one that I think needs to be examined by the Owners.

If you are *NOT* a member of this site.

The GL are worded to where people outside of this site are fair game.
I only know of 2 people who the Mods allow the names of members/handles/bandles to be printed because they are a danger. Otherwise it is a no no.

[Cpalmson]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Rabbit has the fulcrum of the argument. And one that I think needs to be examined by the Owners.

If you are *NOT* a member of this site.

The GL are worded to where people outside of this site are fair game.
I only know of 2 people who the Mods allow the names of members/handles/bandles to be printed because they are a danger. Otherwise it is a no no.

You are not a moderator, so you really don't know all that goes on. We don't operate in a vacuum. Decisions to ban someone for outing are not take capriciously. Also, it doesn't matter if the outed person is a member of this site or not. If a member here outs anyone, they will be banned. There are some admin who believe bannings should be immediate and then let matters get sorted out when it comes outing. It is something that is taken very seriously. The gals have even stricter guidelines when discussing clients in the powder rooms/info share forums.

The bottom line is this. If we know a member has outed someone here or on another site (which we can verify) even if that person is not a member of ECCIE, that person will be banned. In all instances, RL information will be edited in order to protect the individual.

[rrabbit6926]

PB,

I can ask the admins for clarification but from what I gather. The rule is pretty simple. For example. We are allowed to talk about non members. Say a conversation comes up with Donald Trump. I doubt he is a member of this site. Just giving an example. Now if he did happen to open an Eccie account it would be against the rules to associate the RW person with his account. Our accounts here on Eccie are what protect us as you know. I'm sure there might have been specific to the 2 examples you have mentioned. I think we are getting a little OFF topic talking about GL when the OP started this thread specifically since he felt that a thread which was closed didn't answer his question and also felt the person in question was not represented in a fair way. My thoughts on this subject. The person in question should come forward himself if he/she wants to be heard otherwise the meaning of this thread really has no point. One thing we MODs have seen countless times is just a back and forth between different member opinions. Well see how this one turns out.

[Wanna bone]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Rabbit has the fulcrum of the argument. And one that I think needs to be examined by the Owners.

If you are *NOT* a member of this site.

The GL are worded to where people outside of this site are fair game.
I only know of 2 people who the Mods allow the names of members/handles/bandles to be printed because they are a danger. Otherwise it is a no no.

My question (post) was as it relates to outing a person whose a member or outing someone who is a non-member, is there two guidelines in place or is there a lacking of two guidelines.

And being that outing is such an opinionated term, It's so deliberate.

Outing as in their phone number used, email address used, what they drive, description of the person, is there a double standard between members and non-members.

Not necessarily the persons tag number, place of residence, mom and dads name, wife's cell phone number---that kind of rw info although is not specifically banned here for non-members it also is not forbidden and unless your turning that person over to law enforcement. (Or a BIG threat) then it is a moderated subject, without a clear guideline.

When PB says there are a few instances here that are so bad that if you have info on the perp, put it up, these dudes are physically hurting girls. That's totally different then (oh this guy is a threat because he had a spat with Victoria, or so n so did not pay me the full donation, maybe you and so n so did not blend well together and now your trashing him in private, or he asked me for a blowjob, oh for god sakes, lightning strike down this person) those are not alerts, that's reality.

[Precious_b]

Before I make any replies, I am going to state that I have not read the Deuces thread and have not read this one completely. I have not met VJ but started contacting her when a self proclaimed, now Banned, bat shit crazy Provider started being a loose cannon around here. Ms Jolie came off as being pretty level headed. Her board presence so far makes me think she would not "out" anyone.

Originally Posted by Cpalmson

You are not a moderator, so you really don't know all that goes on. We don't operate in a vacuum. Decisions to ban someone for outing are not take capriciously.
....

I have no delusions at all of being a Mod. Never had. And I never attempted to pass myself off as one. They have a thankless job that the closest form of payment is hearing the purse snap shut. I know that there are alot of things that are in administrative BCD that is above my pay grade. With that, I thank them for the tireless task and the hard decisions.

Originally Posted by rrabbit6926

PB,

I can ask the admins for clarification but from what I gather. The rule is pretty simple. For example. We are allowed to talk about non members. Say a conversation comes up with Donald Trump. I doubt he is a member of this site. Just giving an example. Now if he did happen to open an Eccie account it would be against the rules to associate the RW person with his account. Our accounts here on Eccie are what protect us as you know. I'm sure there might have been specific to the 2 examples you have mentioned. I think we are getting a little OFF topic talking about GL when the OP started this thread specifically since he felt that a thread which was closed didn't answer his question and also felt the person in question was not represented in a fair way. My thoughts on this subject. The person in question should come forward himself if he/she wants to be heard otherwise the meaning of this thread really has no point. One thing we MODs have seen countless times is just a back and forth between different member opinions. Well see how this one turns out.

You don't have to ask the Admins unless all the Mods have some type of electronic town meeting that is held. It has caught my attention how the GL to outting is handled at times. I think the GLs should be like the Constitution, open to interpretation. It is in a way. I see them enforced differently on different areas of this site. But I think all the people who wear a Mod hat should get together and look over the GL about outing and how it is written and its interpretation across the board.

[Victoriajolie]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Before I make any replies, I am going to state that I have not read the Deuces thread and have not read this one completely. I have not met VJ but started contacting her when a self proclaimed, now Banned, bat shit crazy Provider started being a loose cannon around here. Ms Jolie came off as being pretty level headed. Her board presence so far makes me think she would not "out" anyone.




I have no delusions at all of being a Mod. Never had. And I never attempted to pass myself off as one. They have a thankless job that the closest form of payment is hearing the purse snap shut. I know that there are alot of things that are in administrative BCD that is above my pay grade. With that, I thank them for the tireless task and the hard decisions.



You don't have to ask the Admins unless all the Mods have some type of electronic town meeting that is held. It has caught my attention how the GL to outting is handled at times. I think the GLs should be like the Constitution, open to interpretation. It is in a way. I see them enforced differently on different areas of this site. But I think all the people who wear a Mod hat should get together and look over the GL about outing and how it is written and its interpretation across the board.

Now it seem that there is a confusion between outing and warning
It seem from post of WannaBone that he did put some sensitive information on the first post of this tread as it has been remove by staff and a warning was issued not a banned which i believe it is up to each mods..


I haven't outed anyone that is a member(now spéculation that he isn't will stop)
He even had the opportunity to have his say as he has posted on the so subject.
Now can please someone tell me where i enfrain the rules if i get contacted by such and such ladies saying xxxxxxx email xxxxxxx phone xxxxx was he safe reliable and okay to see?
And i déclined and give révélant information why i would never recommend this person
If you re-read my initial post that is what it was about and additionally ad that ladies could contact me to know...THIS we are allow to share handle

That been said i did play within the guideline rules of this board and will not post sensitive info to get banned and also i won't post his handle as he will create a new one.He already demonstrated by using different info with me after i put on ignored that is what will happen


My warning was a légitimante one and was to CHECK the reference as i have been working in the Panhandle for a while and getting reference is like finding a needle in a lake.Pretty non-existant and i know that many ladies do not screen or will not check references

If anyone look on my posting history i do not post warnings often actually this is probably the first time i use that particular section as otherwise i use the ladies lounge but once again rarely have warnings

Ladies work with references to keep themselves safe and if someone use me to be able to see girls and those ladies trust me and my réputation i will definitely not help or vouch or says this person is fine when he clearly demonstrate the opposite and to be clear we aren't talking a YMMV or preference..Those are base on was he okay polite respectful,was he safe to see,would you see him again...

I had devastated expériences where my safety was put at risk etc and do not wish or would encourage anyone to experience

Not sure why my post gather so much attention from one person that call it bullshit as a lot of members have posted sensitive info about ladies when arrested..Handle or their ads,name phone number when baith and switch..I was careful of what i posted for several reasons...One was to not enfrain the rules

WannaBone from your suscription you called liar Mod for that review and than me and keep bringing it on which i found rather suspicious..The only thing that is different with that person and you is the writting style otherwise i would say it's you.
While you claimed to know about guideline you seem to be very new to the board and actually enfrained rules by posting sensitive info.

Unless you are that person and want your says(please be honest and says both handles if that is the case) and we can discuss on this board why i would never recommend you which seem to not be understood as it was after all that shanagan that my name was still gave as a reference(reference is a courtesy for safety not a must...I am not obligate to provide one or a positive one when i strongly feel against)

Now please don't twist my words..I didn't say you were that person but it is rather strange that you appear toward that issue and all well a good part of your posts are about it..
VJ

[Cpalmson]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Before I make any replies, I am going to state that I have not read the Deuces thread and have not read this one completely. I have not met VJ but started contacting her when a self proclaimed, now Banned, bat shit crazy Provider started being a loose cannon around here. Ms Jolie came off as being pretty level headed. Her board presence so far makes me think she would not "out" anyone.




I have no delusions at all of being a Mod. Never had. And I never attempted to pass myself off as one. They have a thankless job that the closest form of payment is hearing the purse snap shut. I know that there are alot of things that are in administrative BCD that is above my pay grade. With that, I thank them for the tireless task and the hard decisions.



You don't have to ask the Admins unless all the Mods have some type of electronic town meeting that is held. It has caught my attention how the GL to outting is handled at times. I think the GLs should be like the Constitution, open to interpretation. It is in a way. I see them enforced differently on different areas of this site. But I think all the people who wear a Mod hat should get together and look over the GL about outing and how it is written and its interpretation across the board.

Hey, I didn't mean to come off condescending with my post. Yeah, there are no perks to being a mod other than having the inside story on all the drama. Don't know if you can call that a perk-- LOL

One thing, mods from different forums handle things differently. In some of the more populated areas (Dallas, Houston, etc), the mods rule with an iron fist. They issue infractions and bannings all the time. They kinda have to b/c given the size of their community, drama could get out of control if not nipped in the bud. Here in FL, we are more hands off; however the past several months I know myself and rrabbit have been a bit more hands on b/c the site has grown here in the Panhandle.