Atlanta officer shooting

[BLM69]

I seen the whole video and don't know what to think about this shooting, I believe the cop won't be charged for murder on this one, maybe a lesser charge due to public pressure.

I'm a minority and if I was in this guys shoes, I wouldn't fight the officers or reach for his weapon! Once you're caught, take the ride downtown

[dallasfan]

If I were a cop, I would quit and find another career. It’s impossible to do your job now.

George Floyd: no doubt Chauvin needs to get sentenced. I think they need to get the chief of police for being complicit. 17 violations and Chauvin was mentoring these young guys. Come on. The two new guys need to walk. The chief threw these guys under the bus and he is more guilty than the new guys.

The Atlanta shooting. The cop needs to walk. It looks like he did things right. He tried to use non lethal force. He shot his taser and the sob was still running. He knew he took something from the other cop but there was no telling what he had. It could have been the taser or the other cop’s gun. When he turned and pointed the gun like device I would have shot his ass too There was cause for him to shoot him. Now he might get the short end of the stick because Atlanta may burn down if he walks but That cop should walk and they should give him his job back. He probably shouldn’t take it. What is wrong with these motherfuckers resisting arrest?

[Purlie Victorious]

It's hard. I had not heard the argument that the Cop might have thought his fellow Officer's gun was taken. Except for that, He should not have fired, I believe. Radio ahead for other cops. That Dude wasn't going anywhere.

Before that? He said he could walk to his Sister's house, close by. Call him an Uber. They let him drive the car to a parking space. Why that if he is so intoxicated?

He passed the field sobriety test, but blew a .8.. This after 45 minutes. Up to then everything was fine, he rightfully thought he would go free? I think he panicked, got scared for his safety. He had been calm and reasonable for the first 40 minutes.

A manslaughter or 2nd degree murder charge is appropriate. Unless that cop is truly convincing on that possible gun taking. Which I think is a long shot.

[Aoi]

Self-defense.

The black guy attacked, got shot in the process. But racist cop, amirite??

ALSO, friendly reminder.

Millions still out of a job and economy still fucked (andtheampsceneistakingahittoo fuck)

[billw1032]

Two completely different cases. The George Floyd case seems open and shut to me. I can't even imagine or comprehend what was going through that cop's mind.

The Atlanta case is one where the officer had to make a split-second decision and we'll be analyzing it for weeks. There's no evidence in the video that the cop was racist or disrespectful in any way up until the suspect started fighting. I wonder if all the publicity that the media puts forward about racist cops was in his mind and made him more afraid than he needed to be, and that's why he decided to fight and run. I think the mayor made a major mistake by firing him without a hearing or due process. If he's eventually cleared, he may have a viable lawsuit against the city.

Originally Posted by dallasfan

If I were a cop, I would quit and find another career. It’s impossible to do your job now.

I agree. I keep expecting a major wave of police resignations, especially in the bigger cities. I'm surprised that the various police unions haven't coordinated a nation-wide strike, say all the cops call in sick for a week nation wide. See how people like it without police on duty. But I heard the head of the NY Police Benevolent Assoiation speak on camera a couple of days ago. These guys are incredibly proud of their job and dedicated to it. I don't think I could do it under the current circumstances.

*Edit* One more thought. I relate this a bit to something I know more about, the world of aviation. Back when I was flying airplanes for the USAF we spent a LOT of time training for emergencies. But our airplane is a well-understood machine, and most of the possible emergencies are known, analyzed, and emergency procedures have been defined and reduced to checklists. We memorize the ones that are most critical. But the number of possible malfunctions is a finite number, mostly well known and practiced. Cops face a much different world. They face a potentially infinite number of emergency situations. It's impossible to train for all of them or to analyze all of them in advance, and they often have only a second or so to react. No time to think or analyze. I think their job can be much more difficult than what I knew when flying airplanes.

[Ralph Fults]

Originally Posted by billw1032

Two completely different cases. The George Floyd case seems open and shut to me. I can't even imagine or comprehend what was going through that cop's mind.

The Atlanta case is one where the officer had to make a split-second decision and we'll be analyzing it for weeks. There's no evidence in the video that the cop was racist or disrespectful in any way up until the suspect started fighting. I wonder if all the publicity that the media puts forward about racist cops was in his mind and made him more afraid than he needed to be, and that's why he decided to fight and run. I think the mayor made a major mistake by firing him without a hearing or due process. If he's eventually cleared, he may have a viable lawsuit against the city.



I agree. I keep expecting a major wave of police resignations, especially in the bigger cities. I'm surprised that the various police unions haven't coordinated a nation-wide strike, say all the cops call in sick for a week nation wide. See how people like it without police on duty. But I heard the head of the NY Police Benevolent Assoiation speak on camera a couple of days ago. These guys are incredibly proud of their job and dedicated to it. I don't think I could do it under the current circumstances.

*Edit* One more thought. I relate this a bit to something I know more about, the world of aviation. Back when I was flying airplanes for the USAF we spent a LOT of time training for emergencies. But our airplane is a well-understood machine, and most of the possible emergencies are known, analyzed, and emergency procedures have been defined and reduced to checklists. We memorize the ones that are most critical. But the number of possible malfunctions is a finite number, mostly well known and practiced. Cops face a much different world. They face a potentially infinite number of emergency situations. It's impossible to train for all of them or to analyze all of them in advance, and they often have only a second or so to react. No time to think or analyze. I think their job can be much more difficult than what I knew when flying airplanes.

Strange that two cops got their asses beat by an unarmed drunk.
Stranger that none of the cops had their body cams on.
Strangest that a stun gun becomes a lethal weapon when not held by a cop.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Ralph Fults

Strange that two cops got their asses beat by an unarmed drunk.
Stranger that none of the cops had their body cams on.
Strangest that a stun gun becomes a lethal weapon when not held by a cop.

Strange that white officers would be wary of using physical force after all of the shit that happened in the past few weeks.

Strange that you think every cop has access to body cams.

Strange that you don't think getting hit by a stun gun is actually pretty significant.

[billw1032]

Originally Posted by Ralph Fults

Stranger that none of the cops had their body cams on.

Oh, but they did. I've seen the footage. We have these wonderful tools called Google and YouTube. You should try them sometime.

Originally Posted by Ralph Fults

Strangest that a stun gun becomes a lethal weapon when not held by a cop.

When the suspect uses a taser to disable a cop carrying a real handgun, then has the opportunity to take the handgun while the cop is disabled and use it against him, yes it can be a very lethal weapon. The cop had a split second to protect himself from that happening. You want to be the cop who is disabled by a stun gun and then shot with your own weapon? No, I didn't think so.

[BLM69]

Dude fucked up and paid the ultimate price, someone already burned down the Wendy's restaurant like if it was the owners fault

The locals can enjoy the liquor store microwave burritos next time they get hungry, it's totally stupid to burn down your own community trying to send some type of message

[LargeBreastFan]

Resist arrest, grab an LEOs stun gun and aim at him....
Don’t be surprised if you win a free autopsy.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by billw1032

Oh, but they did. I've seen the footage. We have these wonderful tools called Google and YouTube. You should try them sometime.

When the suspect uses a taser to disable a cop carrying a real handgun, then has the opportunity to take the handgun while the cop is disabled and use it against him, yes it can be a very lethal weapon. The cop had a split second to protect himself from that happening. You want to be the cop who is disabled by a stun gun and then shot with your own weapon? No, I didn't think so.

i beg to differ - the DPST's Do want Dead cops- it is a rally Cry for them
"What do we want - Dead cops When do we want it- Now"


along with - 'defund, disarm-Disband cops".

I do agree that responsible cops should rsign the big city jobs where they are demonized and every decision is reviewed by hostile lawyers frame by frame - with no good outcome for any officer - that would be "Racist" .

The dallas PD is 1/3 white, 1/3 Hispanic, and 1/3 black - how is taht "Racist" - but despite multiple officers killed by a socialist sniper - 2016 i believe - they were protecting a BLM type protest - the PD's are still labelled racist by the Socialists.

Let the cops resign from no-win Liberal managed cities whre cops are a scapegoat for out of control Anti-fa terrorists. Let come to Middle America wher they are supported and recognized as human beings doing a tough job.

Let the Democrat cities go their own way without Police.

They are welcome to their "community feel good socialist activists" - whose first question is - Are you a socialist or are you a criminal!

[rexdutchman]

Yep the simple answer is ""don't fight and bad shit not going to happin"" BLM 69 is correct fight in court

[billw1032]

Originally Posted by oeb11

i beg to differ - the DPST's Do want Dead cops- it is a rally Cry for them
"What do we want - Dead cops When do we want it- Now"


along with - 'defund, disarm-Disband cops".

I'm not sure what in my post you disagree with. It seems to me like we're on the same page.

By the way, could you please define DPST? I see it used here from time to time, but I've checked Google and Urban Dictionary and I can't figure out what it means.

Originally Posted by oeb11

I do agree that responsible cops should rsign the big city jobs where they are demonized and every decision is reviewed by hostile lawyers frame by frame - with no good outcome for any officer - that would be "Racist" .
.....
Let the cops resign from no-win Liberal managed cities whre cops are a scapegoat for out of control Anti-fa terrorists. Let come to Middle America wher they are supported and recognized as human beings doing a tough job.

There were a couple of interesting items on the news this morning:
1. A man who has started a company that will help cops relocate from anti-cop cities to more cop-friendly locations..

2. 79% of truckers say they will refuse loads destined for cities that defund the police, for their own protection.

[FunMonday]

With the current political climate and pressure for “social justice” it does not matter what the facts are and the truth is never a defense. Anyone who thinks the court system is blind folded so that all receive equal “justice” is a flaming idiot.

The cop in Atlanta most likely responded to the threat according to his instinct and training. The perp aimed and fired. It might have been a taser but in that split second the cop responded to a perp that aimed and fired. His reflex did not distinguish between pistol or taser after a scuffle and any time you squeeze the trigger there is only one intent...to kill. Unfortunately for the cop he shot the perp in the back after he turned to run. All that being said he has been tried, convicted and sentenced in the court of public opinion along with the asshole cop in Minneapolis who is 100% guilty of murder but with a very sinister intent.

They need to get the city attorneys and the police unions out of these cases. The 24 hour cooling off period for cops needs to be abolished. Cops who are convicted of these crimes need to serve their sentence in general population not protective custody and for the cop in Minneapolis theres no reason to drag his case out for years. Give him his trial and ship him off.

Honestly I hope the cop in Atlanta gets off if he has a clean record. And I hope the cop in Minneapolis does hard time.

[TexTushHog]

The victim made serious mistakes in resisting arrest and grabbing a stun gun. But his original “offense” was sleeping in a car. When he starts to run away, you don’t shoot him in the back. My guess us the cop won’t get charged, though the prosecutor could present the case to the grand jury with no recommendation and see what they do (which I suspect would be indict). Cop’s only defense will be he thought the guy grabbed his partner’s gun, not a taser. I think that’s a lie, but I could win the case on that basis if the client will agree not to testify. But I thunk we all know that had the victim been white, the outcome would have been different.