What Democracy Means to The "Democratic" Party Today

[ICU 812]

What Democracy Means to the “Democratic” Party Today

The central concept of democracy is voting where each voter gets one vote and each vote has the same weight.

In 2016, Bernie Saunders had accumulated enough votes during the state’s primaries to ensure that he would be nominated at the Democratic Party’s Convention. However, the party leadership wanted Hillery to be the nominee and invoked the concept of “Super Delegates”; prominent Democrats who are at the convention based on their position within the party, state and national office holders etc. These super delegates were able to arrange for the nomination of Hillery Clinton over Saunders. It was more complicated than that, but that is pretty much what happened . . .Saunders was out and Clinton was in.

In 2020, It looked as though Joe Biden might not get enough primary delegates and the party leadership arranged for the other candidates to drop out. Kamalah Harris was one of them.

Now, in 2024, t President Biden who was a the presumptive nominee and faced no primary voters. When it became obvious that he would lose in the general election, the party leadership somehow compelled him to simply drop out of the race. VP Harris was selected to replace Biden by the party leadership and was installed as the nominee before the convention had even assembled to vote . . . again, short circuiting the central feature of a democracy, voting.

That is where the “Democratic” Party stands on the central principle of any democracy.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Except, we are a Republic - and for good reason. Which is why they keep trying to push the same clap-trap and history denialism and revisionism.

[1blackman1]

Still obsessed with the Democratic Party. It's really sad.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

What Democracy Means to the “Democratic” Party Today

The central concept of democracy is voting where each voter gets one vote and each vote has the same weight.

This isn’t technically true, each vote doesn’t actually have the same weight. Interesting graphic of the different states and their impact on presidential elections, weighted on electoral votes vs population. (The red and blue don’t represent the current election, I believe it was modeled after 2016 but the impact of the particular state is still accurate, disregarding if a state may have lost or gained any EVs since then)

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

What Democracy Means to the “Democratic” Party Today

The central concept of democracy is voting where each voter gets one vote and each vote has the same weight.

In 2016, Bernie Saunders had accumulated enough votes during the state’s primaries to ensure that he would be nominated at the Democratic Party’s Convention. However, the party leadership wanted Hillery to be the nominee and invoked the concept of “Super Delegates”; prominent Democrats who are at the convention based on their position within the party, state and national office holders etc. These super delegates were able to arrange for the nomination of Hillery Clinton over Saunders. It was more complicated than that, but that is pretty much what happened . . .Saunders was out and Clinton was in.

In 2020, It looked as though Joe Biden might not get enough primary delegates and the party leadership arranged for the other candidates to drop out. Kamalah Harris was one of them.

Now, in 2024, t President Biden who was a the presumptive nominee and faced no primary voters. When it became obvious that he would lose in the general election, the party leadership somehow compelled him to simply drop out of the race. VP Harris was selected to replace Biden by the party leadership and was installed as the nominee before the convention had even assembled to vote . . . again, short circuiting the central feature of a democracy, voting.

That is where the “Democratic” Party stands on the central principle of any democracy.

First of all in 2016 Clinton received a majority of the delegates even without the help of superdelegates.

Secondly, Biden dropped out all on his own. Was he convinced to do so, yes absolutely. When Kamala Harris was elected to the democratic candidate for president she did so legally and ethically by following the rules of the democratic party.

Nothing undemocratic about that.

I said almost a year ago that If Kamala Harris became president it would be the fault of the Republican Senate. Mitch McConnell and the rest of his compatriots had the opportunity to keep Trump from being the republican candidate. All they had to do was vote for impeachment. We’re in the position we’re in now because they failed to do their job.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

...When Kamala Harris was elected to the democratic candidate for president...

I don't recall her total votes that got her elected as the democratic candidate for president in the primary this year. You happen to recall the count?

As I recall, in two runs for President she has garnered zero electoral votes so far.

Nothing undemocratic about that?!?

[ICU 812]

Yeas, yes . . .all those remarks about the difference between a pure democracy and the Republic that we have, with its Electoral College sre true . . .but the miss my point.

The Democrats push to evaporate those aspects of our government that make it a representative republic that spreads the power to choose more evenly among the states. They favor the mob rule of a pure direct democracy. and will say so. But they make a mockery of that democratic principle in how the party itself elects delegates to their nominating conventions. Further, they even circumvented those election norms and did a quick-shuffle bait-and-switch with the party's presidential ticket. Talk about old school back-room politics!

They have no respect for process, due process in the legal arena or their Oen established politics process. It rerms to be whatever gets the power brokers the puppets they want in office.

[1blackman1]

The number of votes on Nov 5 are all that matter.

On another note, anyone that thinks choosing a president based on the votes in 7 states is the height of the democracy or constitutional republic values is sadly mistaken. Claims that we’ve empowered Montana or Rhode Island through the electoral college is silly bullshit.

[VitaMan]

The OP appears to have hijacked the principles of voting.


The Democratic party is one of our 2 main political parties. If you haven't studied the political maneuvering of political parties over the years, backroom deals, trade offs and such, you are ignorant of the process of electing candidates.


Another interesting point about the voting process:


"The system calls for the creation, every four years, of a temporary group of electors equal to the total number of representatives in Congress. Technically, it is these electors, and not the American people, who vote for the president."

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

I don't recall her total votes that got her elected as the democratic candidate for president in the primary this year. You happen to recall the count?

As I recall, in two runs for President she has garnered zero electoral votes so far.

Nothing undemocratic about that?!?

She hasn’t had a chance to garner one yet, bro.

Nor has she tried to void, unvalidate, disqualify or change one.

It’s truly rich that those outside the party are so well versed on what the party means when they can’t define or defend their own.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

The number of votes on Nov 5 are all that matter.

Well yes . . .but that is not how the Democrats run their party. If that were truly the guiding principle for them, their last three presidential candidates would have been selected differently.

It is likely that Bernie Saunders would have been their candidate in2016 instead of Hillery Clinton for instance. In that year, the progressive liberal power brokers had selected Ms. Clinton and so rigged the processed to select her.

IN 2020, the progressive liberal power brokers had selected Mr. Biden and so, rigged the primary process to select him by coercing other Democrats to drop out of the running.

In 2024, the progressive liberal power brokers were forced to select Mr. Biden because he was the incumbent, but they later bait-and-switched to VP Harris in a magic weekend. of closed door politics that again avoided involving everyday Democrats in the process.

The Democrsts have no truck withproces.

Regarding your antipathy towards the Electoral College process, the remedy is making a change theough a amendment to the Constitution . . .and that would be s pretty major alteration. That might be even harder to do than abolishing th Second Amendment in my view.

[1blackman1]

November 5. All that matters.

Your obsession is very sad.

Republicans might wanna reevaluate themselves. They chose a person that is a convicted felon and that's been determined by a jury to have committed sexual assault. He's billions in debt and has a half million in judgments against him. He's in mental decline and nearly everyone that's worked with him that have any independence have said he's an idiot. In four years as president he passed 1 signature piece of legislation and failed at every promise he made to his idiot supporters.

You need to quit whining about democrats and wish for better republicans.

[ICU 812]

Yeah . . .all that will be reversed by a higher court. Other legal issues will just be dropped eventually.

[Yssup Rider]

And that’s just lawfare, the only thing that’s kept Trump out of prison so far.

I invite you to join the Democratic Party and help it change for the better.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Yeah . . .all that will be reversed by a higher court. Other legal issues will just be dropped eventually.

I disagree. The only way anything will be dropped is if he gets to fire Jack Smith. Otherwise I suspect he’ll be convicted. As for the state charges he might get retried. There’s some question regarding double jeopardy. As for the money judgment, the largest might be lowered but the actual findings will remain. His debt will stay extremely high, in the billion range.