IRAN BOMBSHELL - TEAM OBAMA NEGOTIATING DEAL THAT CAN'T BE VERIFIED

[Whirlaway]

The WSJ and AP are reporting:

"..that United States is considering letting Tehran run hundreds of centrifuges at a once-secret, fortified underground bunker in exchange for limits on centrifuge work and research and development at other sites. Allowing the Iranians to enrich at Fordow means they could kick out inspectors at any time and have a fully-functioning enrichment facility hardened against military intervention. Since sanctions will be unraveled by design at the beginning of a deal, that means the West would have literally zero options to stop a breakout. The administration’s early pushback is that the breakout time will still be a year, so they could in theory reimpose sanctions, but it takes more than a year for sanctions to take an economic toll. So: zero options to stop a breakout..."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...-site-29925489

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...talls+un+probe

[gnadfly]

If Team Obama can't negotiate fair POW swap, how can he be expected to negotiate a fair nuclear deal? I'm reading where this may be a "handshake agreement." Calm down, Austin Reacharound Crew.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

If Team Obama can't negotiate fair POW swap, how can he be expected to negotiate a fair nuclear deal? I'm reading where this may be a "handshake agreement." Calm down, Austin Reacharound Crew.

Which hand?

Not to worry. The Israelis are working on "the issue"!

[Whirlaway]

HAHAHA............

Gnadfly..........you have got one helluva wit.

Originally Posted by gnadfly

If Team Obama can't negotiate fair POW swap, how can he be expected to negotiate a fair nuclear deal? I'm reading where this may be a "handshake agreement." Calm down, Austin Reacharound Crew.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

The WSJ and AP are reporting:

"..that United States is considering letting Tehran run hundreds of centrifuges at a once-secret, fortified underground bunker in exchange for limits on centrifuge work and research and development at other sites. Allowing the Iranians to enrich at Fordow means they could kick out inspectors at any time and have a fully-functioning enrichment facility hardened against military intervention. Since sanctions will be unraveled by design at the beginning of a deal, that means the West would have literally zero options to stop a breakout. The administration’s early pushback is that the breakout time will still be a year, so they could in theory reimpose sanctions, but it takes more than a year for sanctions to take an economic toll. So: zero options to stop a breakout..."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...-site-29925489

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...talls+un+probe

Fucking idiot. From your link:

>>>>>The trade-off would allow Iran to run several hundred of the devices at its Fordo facility, although the Iranians would not be allowed to do work that could lead to an atomic bomb and the site would be subject to international inspections, according to Western officials familiar with details of negotiations now underway. In return, Iran would be required to scale back the number of centrifuges it runs at its Natanz facility and accept other restrictions on nuclear-related work.

[Jackie S]

It all comes down to one simple item. Do you trust the Iranians?

[DSK]

Originally Posted by timpage

Fucking idiot. From your link:

>>>>>The trade-off would allow Iran to run several hundred of the devices at its Fordo facility, although the Iranians would not be allowed to do work that could lead to an atomic bomb and the site would be subject to international inspections, according to Western officials familiar with details of negotiations now underway. In return, Iran would be required to scale back the number of centrifuges it runs at its Natanz facility and accept other restrictions on nuclear-related work.

Probably the best deal we are going to get. I doubt anyone else could do better.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by DSK

Probably the best deal we are going to get. I doubt anyone else could do better.

im having trouble with that logic

what brought the Iranian's to the table to begin with?

was it the sanctions and the freezing of assets and the inability for its banks to operate in world commerce?

im thinking that is what got them to negotiate

so they negotiate a deal that stops the sanctions

if either over time as an open consequence of the deal or because they think they can surreptitiously continue with their intentions how is that a "best" deal anyone could get

it would be far better to tighten the sanction screws and have no deal than a bad deal

[Whirlaway]

It doesn't get any clearer; Tehran won't immediately come clean on it's past/existing programs which are critical to reliable inspections going forward. BUT sanctions get lifted almost immediately:

The ability of the IAEA and global powers to verify whether Iran is abiding by any future deal to prevent it from racing to develop a nuclear weapon depends, in part, on an understanding of its past work, according to these officials.

Under the new plan, Tehran wouldn’t be expected to immediately clarify all the outstanding questions raised by the IAEA in a 2011 report on Iran’s alleged secretive work. A full reckoning of Iran’s past activities would be demanded in later years as part of a nuclear deal that is expected to last at least 15 years.

Originally Posted by timpage

Fucking idiot. From your link:

>>>>>The trade-off would allow Iran to run several hundred of the devices at its Fordo facility, although the Iranians would not be allowed to do work that could lead to an atomic bomb and the site SHOULD would be subject to international inspections, according to Western officials familiar with details of negotiations now underway. In return, Iran would be required to scale back the number of centrifuges it runs at its Natanz facility and accept other restrictions on nuclear-related work.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

im having trouble with that logic

what brought the Iranian's to the table to begin with?

was it the sanctions and the freezing of assets and the inability for its banks to operate in world commerce?

im thinking that is what got them to negotiate

so they negotiate a deal that stops the sanctions

if either over time as an open consequence of the deal or because they think they can surreptitiously continue with their intentions how is that a "best" deal anyone could get

it would be far better to tighten the sanction screws and have no deal than a bad deal

It would? Let's play that out to it's logical conclusion. Let's go ahead and turn those sanction screws tighter, as you prescribe. They will have no oversight now. No inspectors or monitoring of ANY kind. The russians will continue to give them nuclear materials because they take any chance they can to poke us in the eye. They continue to expand their program. And instead of us having at least a clue of what is going on, we are on the outside looking in. How doest that put us in any better position than we are in now? IF they devise a bomb and test it, that will be the first we'll know of it. Sounds AWESOME.

[Whirlaway]

Ok...I will play your game.....let's tighten the economic screws like you opine. Let's keep their oil out of the world supply. Let's stop all trade.

And see how long the Mullahs hang on to their power before the decent Iranians say "enough" with our nuclear ambitions.

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

It would? Let's play that out to it's logical conclusion. Let's go ahead and turn those sanction screws tighter, as you prescribe. They will have no oversight now. No inspectors or monitoring of ANY kind. The russians will continue to give them nuclear materials because they take any chance they can to poke us in the eye. They continue to expand their program. And instead of us having at least a clue of what is going on, we are on the outside looking in. How doest that put us in any better position than we are in now? IF they devise a bomb and test it, that will be the first we'll know of it. Sounds AWESOME.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

It would? Let's play that out to it's logical conclusion. Let's go ahead and turn those sanction screws tighter, as you prescribe. They will have no oversight now. No inspectors or monitoring of ANY kind. The russians will continue to give them nuclear materials because they take any chance they can to poke us in the eye. They continue to expand their program. And instead of us having at least a clue of what is going on, we are on the outside looking in. How doest that put us in any better position than we are in now? IF they devise a bomb and test it, that will be the first we'll know of it. Sounds AWESOME.

and this is the only logical conclusion?

that's quite illogical of you

how about we deal from strength not weakness

the fear is with this agreement they continue to expand their program

how about the logical conclusion sanctions and our strength works?

how is it not logical to consider that sanctions are what got us this far?

[timpage]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

and this is the only logical conclusion?

that's quite illogical of you

how about we deal from strength not weakness

the fear is with this agreement they continue to expand their program

how about the logical conclusion sanctions and our strength works?

how is it not logical to consider that sanctions are what got us this far?

Yeah, those sanctions we put in place on Cuba for 50 plus years sure worked well. And Robert Mugabe is certainly on the ropes after 30 some odd years of sanctions.

Sanctions aren't going to work. They rarely, if ever, do.

[nevergaveitathought]

the sunni saudi's want nukes to offset the iran shia's coming nukes

seems that's how they see how this negotiation is going and that seems to be what they think about it

"Saudi Arabia will not rule out building or acquiring nuclear weapons, the country’s ambassador to the United States has indicated.

In 2012 the Saudi Arabian government threatened to acquire nuclear weapons were neighbouring regional power Iran ever to do so.

“Politically, it would be completely unacceptable to have Iran with a nuclear capability and not the kingdom,” a senior Saudi source told The Times newspaper at the time."

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by timpage

Yeah, those sanctions we put in place on Cuba for 50 plus years sure worked well. And Robert Mugabe is certainly on the ropes after 30 some odd years of sanctions.

Sanctions aren't going to work. They rarely, if ever, do.

yeah but the point is its still better than a bad deal