Can't a LE become ECCIE/P411 verified client or provider ?

[astonishs]

Can't a LE become ECCIE/P411 verified client ? How to ensure that a verified client/provider is not a LE?

[Unique_Carpenter]

LE can simply buy a guy's premium access on ECCIE, but that's not a verified anything.
You should do a bit of research on the topic, which will allow to to ask your question more clearly. But, to start, you really need to split your question into 4 parts, guy and gal Eccie, guy and gal P411, as some of the answers will be different.

[fred_flinstone]

believe me, there are plenty of LE on eccie. They just become hobbiest. They need pussy too.

[firelips]

Dunking Donuts & Chill

[Analeese]

I think it's more likely on eccie than p411..

I would not dismiss the entire idea though...

What made me think was I talked to a friend that's in le...and he said there are alot of le who have second jobs....what would keep them from using there second job to verify employment? Some ladies use employment for screening as well as p411.

Just something to think about...

This is why it's better imo..to meet with established eccie members with alot of verifiable history and references.

With p411 the more OKs a client has and you see those OKs are of reputable verifiable ladies...the more likely that the account is legit.

With eccie ladies....only meet with verified providers who you can see they have a good reputation and many reviews to prove that guys have met her BCD. P411 Will require you have history as a provider on other sites proving your legitimacy before you'll be approved for a provider account.

If all else fails...just don't ask any questions or make offers that might include money for any sexual favors...its not illegal to advertise as an escort...its when you connect a service with a price that will get you into the real trouble..

The less you say the more deniability you allow yourself..

[EastTexasGrown]

To combine two of the answers above mine ... Analeese and FredFlinstone ... Analeese's is pretty accurate.

I will simply add that there are LE in both sites possibly with the intention of doing their jobs. There are also LE on both sites with the intention of getting their freak on!! Thus, the reason to see LOTS of verifiable history with whomever you see!! Not only see the history but actually verify the history in some cases.

My guess is that it could prove to be beneficial to have a repeat client whom is also in LE.

[oldbutstillgoing]

I always assume LEO is on all boards as both providers and clients. Not hard to do and impossible to stop or spot them until they strike. The more established a provider is, the less likely you have anything to worry about

[Stockinglover]

Some pig was able to get an account on P411 and went out on several dates with providers, no sex, just to get some OK's then they pounced and arrested 22 providers when asking for sex.

[Analeese]

That was the provider being stupid and giving an ok for a meet and greet...which is not allowed and will have your provider account revoked.

Now even when a provider is giving an OK...when you click submit a message pops up saying that you must have met the client for a bcd session.

You get caught up in this by doing knucklehead behaviour...and that what you mentioned is not only knuckleheaded but completely stupid, careless and a danger to our entire hobby community as a whole imo.

Why some say this business isn't for everyone.

Hobby safe y'all...

[ron32]

They are verified or vouched on Indys as well. Local Indys ho in my town has seen two that are vouched clients.

[SamHouston]

Yes and Yes. Just forget everything and start hobbying for good as long as its possible.

[ck1942]

Many, many ways to screen and vouch, but no method is absolutely foolproof, not just where LEOs might be concerned, but very obviously where scammers, haters and worse are concerned.

We all in the hobby must accept some level of risk and it is up to each of us to research risks and determine for our selves how much risk each is willing to accept.

"Your" acceptable level of risk is something anyone you plan to meet is one thing, and so is the level of risk of that other person.

For example, if you play on the street, pretty obvious to me that your level of acceptable risk far exceeds my acceptable level.

Each of us who is fairly knowledgeable in that risk regard can easily gauge some basic risk somewhat summarily merely by reading a hobbyist's or a provider's reviews, imo.

Ditto by paying attention to an incall location, or a hotel lobby, or the crowd of males just outside a hotel balcony.

imo, way too many providers fail to give substantive instructions to prospective clients and don't enforce those instructions.

Ditto, too many prospective clients fail to evaluate providers by those instruction sets and opt to see only providers with easy screening or who are willing to "see any Joe on the board a year or more with three or four reviews inthe past six months.

Not saying the above is a good or bad thing. Just using the words as examples.

Happy Hobbying! Stay safe out there!

[Old-T]

As always, read and absorb what CK says.

Nothing is fool-proof, and bad folks--much worse than LE--can be members of any site. Let me ask a question: Who verified YOU when you joined? I am amazed at how many people who have been on here for years really have never been actually verified.

And how many members have to be squeezed with threats of, "vouch for Officer Fred/Officer Freida or be arrested and charged" before someone IS bogusly verified on here--or P411, or TER, or ....

The best thing someone can do is to rely upon folks of the opposite sex who have a thorough and diverse verifiable history of being real and safe. How much time and effort will any LE put into a misnomer arrest? [Corollary: Don't give them ANY reason to think there may be a bigger infraction there for the arresting.]

And finally, along the lines of CK's comment on easy screening = higher risk, so does the urge to see the "brand new lady" with no sustained history. Yes, I know that is what some guys are seeking, but with it is more risk.

Nothing is perfect, but you can do a lot to reduce your risk to a very small level.

[ClimaxBlues]

I know, or have known, providers that have LE clients.

[Analeese]

Originally Posted by ClimaxBlues

I know, or have known, providers that have LE clients.

Yes....this is very true...i had one ...but didn't know that til he showed up and then he told me...

LE has needs too. Lol