Take that TEA Party and Glenn Beck......

[wellendowed1911]

It's good to see Americans of all races coming together to have a peaceful rally like what's going on today at the Rally to Restore Sanity. It's 12 noon C.S.T and there's a huge crowd there that rivals the rallies that the Tea party and Glenn Beck sponsored. I am dying to see how much coverage Faux news gives the rallies. Note that this rallies doesn't have thousands of disgruntled people displaying nasty, racist, and disgusting signs of whether you like it or not our ELECTED President. I am pretty sure there are some anti-obama people at the Rally or those who are not happy with his administration, but there's a peaceful and professional way to show your disapproval without comparing him to Hitler or calling him Illegal. Way to go Comedy Central and thank God for all the rationale Americans who showed up at this rally. Also, Dirty Dog before you make your negative comment- look at the crowd it matches the same number of people are estimates that showed up for the Tea party rallies and Glenn Beck's rally- I guess we do have some people sensible people left in this world DD who know how to protest or support in a Democratic way!

[dirty dog]

Yep big crowd whoooo hooooo, its about as important as the tea party rally, its not, both are equally stupid. Protest at the ballot box on Nov 2, Oh and WD I am sure I can find some anti GOP signage in the crowd if I wanted to take the time to look, but the reality is the rapid meetings of extremists on both sides is equally boring to me, it looks to me as exactly what it is, a rally set up by professional activists which reflects what most of the administration consists of, in a desperate attempt to try and generate some Democrat votes on Tuesday. I assume their rational because they think like you do, what a real unbiased observation.

There is one thing I do agree with you about," I guess we do have some people sensible people left in this world DD" and they will be showig their sensible thoughts and actions on Tuesday.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

Yep big crowd whoooo hooooo, its about as important as the tea party rally, its not, both are equally stupid. Protest at the ballot box on Nov 2, Oh and WD I am sure I can find some anti GOP signage in the crowd if I wanted to take the time to look, but the reality is the rapid meetings of extremists on both sides is equally boring to me, it looks to me as exactly what it is, a rally set up by professional activists which reflects what most of the administration consists of, in a desperate attempt to try and generate some Democrat votes on Tuesday. I assume their rational because they think like you do, what a real unbiased observation.

There is one thing I do agree with you about," I guess we do have some people sensible people left in this world DD" and they will be showig their sensible thoughts and actions on Tuesday.

Ok so now it's stupid- when the Tea parties were having their huge rallies you said: your words paraphrased: that the huge numbers show how many people are upset with Obama. I want you to let me know when you see an anti-GOP signage. Now it's a big difference if you see a sign that says GOP must go with a sign that paints a politician as Hitler or saying he's an illegal immigrant or a monkey.I challenge you DD- let me know when you see some anti- GOP signs. Oh look at the make up of the crowds- both rallies had huge numbers, but you could count on one hand how many minorities you saw at the TEA rally and Glen Beck rally, but today's rallies shows a whole melting pot.
By the way, the GOP has already duped enough Americans(like you) with their tactics to win over enough seats on Nov 2nd so don't try to use that reverse pyschology bullshit because it's a done deal, but this is 1994 all over again when Clinton lost a lot of seats to the Republicans, but I will tell you what's bad about this if it goes down the way I think it does. Hell, I don't mind GOP's picking up seats if the incumbent is not doing shit, but if they(GOP) gets seats and still won't do crap or try to go back to the Bush policies than come election day 2012- it will be 2008 all over again. Americans want work done they know you can't say NO to everything else and if the GOP thinks they are going to get in and reverse Obamacare they got something coming- remember Obama still can veto anything they put on his desk. I am so beyond the bickering of Red and Blue and GOP and DEM- I like other rationale Americans want a job done and not this back and forth garbage that's been going on over the past 2 years. Obama has a lot to work to do- he has passed some great legislation and there are some he needs to improve on, but at least I still respect him as a President and I don't question his citizenship nor will I call him a socialist. This rally to restore sanity is exactly what America needs- THANK YOU COMEDY CENTRAL. How much you want to bet that Faux news gives this very little coverage?

[dirty dog]

" that the huge numbers show how many people are upset with Obama. I want you to let me know when you see an anti-GOP signage. "

I think you confusing your arguments with John Galt with mine, I have never been a big supporter of the Tea Party, I only objected to your use of the race card when you were bashing them.

"I want you to let me know when you see an anti-GOP signage. Now it's a big difference if you see a sign that says GOP must go with a sign that paints a politician as Hitler or saying he's an illegal immigrant or a monkey.I challenge you DD- let me know when you see some anti- GOP signs."

Why would I do that, I have already told you it does not interest me, I am not going to watch this rally or any other, I did not watch Becks or the Tea Party or any of the others. I am not a republican, keep telling you this but like all partisan political people you only see DEM or GOP, I am an Independent, and a moderate leaning conservative. Thats one of the biggest problems with you liberals, you think if someone does not support Obama, they must support Bush. I do not like many of Obama's positions because they are too liberal, just as I did not like many of Bush's positions because they were to conservative.

If Obama would have concerntated on the number one largest problem in this country rather than put all his energy into the Democrat platform wish list of programs, I would have a different opinion. But truth is he has ignored many of the real problems I.E. Job creation, in order to pass the wish list of programs that the party wanted. I have also stated on this board that the GOP does not have a viable candidate for 2012, if they are going to run anyone of the front runners of today such as Palin, Gencrich, Romney, Huckabee etc. So dont freakin paint me into the GOP with your bullshit.

My reference to Nov 2nd, was simply saying its time to stop talking all the bullshit, vote on the 2nd and then enough of it.

"I am so beyond the bickering of Red and Blue and GOP and DEM- I like other rationale Americans want a job done and not this back and forth garbage that's been going on over the past 2 years."

Then why do you keep bringing it up.

"but at least I still respect him as a President and I don't question his citizenship nor will I call him a socialist."

Like most liberals you like to lump everone into one catagory, but here again your wrong, if you would like to research the posts you will find that when the birther issue was discussed I supported Obama. You lose crediability when you make statments about me that are not backed up with fact, as well as when you make comments that you are so tired of the red and blue back and forth and then promote it with your posts.

[john_galt]

Okay, that is a funny joke you started with. Signs at the "Return to Honor" rally were strongly discouraged. Which means no hateful signs that you speak of. Also that rally had nothing to do with the TEA parties. It was independent of the political movement. I was about honor, trust, and patriotism. Do you really want to say that you are against those virtues?
As for numbers, you have to get to 600,000 which did not rely on paid protesters like those from the Huffington Post. It is all over the Internet from the people organizing this event. They are paying their employees to go and providing transportation. The Honor rally did not have to do that and didn't. I will also point out, for comparing the press reaction, that C-Span and Comedy Central (CC is on a delay though) is offering wall to wall coverage whereas FOX did not, nor did any other new outlet.
As for peaceful, I would wait until the event is over. People getting high or drinking get might touchy after a few hours. I hope they have enough port a potties for this event. The pro union rally a few weeks ago forgot to order some up in any great number.
Personal note: my day is made now. Ms. Cheryl "one square is enough for my ass" Crow is performing with Kid "what day of the week is it" Rock.

I also notice that this event is not so much about restoring anything, it is a show with music and comedy.

**I just saw a Hitler sign at your peaceful rally!!! I'm shocked!

DD? You posted while I was writing!
The birther thing is not a TEA party issue, it came from the Hillary campaign of 2008.
As for BO being a socialist I defer to Donald Kurz's new book where he documents that BO attended the 1983 and 84 convention of the DSA in Chicago. DSA=Democratic Socialists of America. Kurz can't find the attendance records for 85 so he doesn't claim that year.

I see Colbert and Leibowitz doing a bit rather than making a significant speech. Such smugness.

The TEA party is mostly about spending (which you seem to agree with) and values.

Stewart is trying to make a point that we should not fear or even worry about Muslims just because a few (thousands and thousands) have tried to kill us. Yes, I'm talking about not just the hijackers but the Taliban in the field and the hundreds of thousands we saw celebrating the day of 9/11. No, we should not worry about Muslims (Hello Major, nice gun) but we should worry about bedbugs.

Now they have a video showing media liberals saying that TEA party people are Racist, Hitler like, traitors, and you get the gist of their "argument". So much for sanity...

Okay, now comes the Tinkerbell skit and I get the huge joke this is but I have a paper to write about the 1917 Espionage Act and the oppression of free speech under the Wilson administration. Tchuss! (that's German)

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by john_galt

Okay, that is a funny joke you started with. Signs at the "Return to Honor" rally were strongly discouraged. Which means no hateful signs that you speak of. Also that rally had nothing to do with the TEA parties. It was independent of the political movement. I was about honor, trust, and patriotism. Do you really want to say that you are against those virtues?
As for numbers, you have to get to 600,000 which did not rely on paid protesters like those from the Huffington Post. It is all over the Internet from the people organizing this event. They are paying their employees to go and providing transportation. The Honor rally did not have to do that and didn't. I will also point out, for comparing the press reaction, that C-Span and Comedy Central is offering wall to wall coverage whereas FOX did not, nor did any other new outlet.
As for peaceful, I would wait until the event is over. People getting high or drinking get might touchy after a few hours. I hope they have enough port a potties for this event. The pro union rally a few weeks ago forgot to order some up in any great number.
Personal note: my day is made now. Ms. Cheryl "one square is enough for my ass" Crow is performing with Kid "what day of the week is it" Rock.

I also notice that this event is not so much about restoring anything, it is a show with music and comedy.

**I just saw a Hitler sign at your peaceful rally!!! I'm shocked!

again for the record I am not a Liberal, I agree with DD-yes DD does make some valid points at times and I am not afraid to agree with him that Obama would have better numbers if he at first concentrated on jobs than Health Care- yes true those go hand and hand, but I think people care about working 9 to 5 then they are about going to the doctor's office- so YES he should have on day 1 got Americans back working- regardless of what happens Nov 2nd I still think Obama can approve his numbers- if he strictly tackles jobs and the economy from here on out- just look at Reagan's first years- he inherited a mess from Carter and his 1st 2 years people though he was horrible, but he's been one of the better Presidents in the last 30 years.
As far as the rally- either way if they were paid or not paid it was a huge turn out that rivaled Beck's and TEA party. I don't mind the TEA party or any other group holding rallies- after all this is a Democracy, but many people were appalled when they saw the signage and language that was used it was outright disgusting. I mean comparing a President to Hitler is going to far. As much as I didn't like Bush I would never compare him to Hitler. The rally was basically about being able to protest or come together with out all the hoopla and hysteria that Obama is going to socialize the country or take away your freedom that was the purpose of the rally- it wasn't suppose to have a real "political" feel- just good ole clean fun and good times something the country needed as a whole. I honestly think this is what America needed.

[john_galt]

I'm working but the TV is on in the background and I have to report I just saw signs saying "I support Genocide to stop World Hunger", "Bush=Hitler", "I hate Teabaggers", and "I have Bedbugs". I also noticed that many of these signs had little advertising signs from Yahoo.com. So I guess people didn't make all of their own signs.

I did hear Stewart say that we shouldn't hang around with Socialist that want to hurt this country but I guess the argument is about what is a socialist because Stewart agrees with me. He just can't (like most on the left) recognize a socialist when he sees one. It is kind of like being on the battlefield and you see someone else wearing a similar uniform to yours. Despite the fact he has a different kind of weapon and is acting hostile you automatically assume that they are on your side because of the uniform. The Germans used this during the Ardennes Offensive when they dressed some SS soldiers as Americans and infiltrated through lines.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by john_galt

I'm working but the TV is on in the background and I have to report I just saw signs saying "I support Genocide to stop World Hunger", "Bush=Hitler", "I hate Teabaggers", and "I have Bedbugs". I also noticed that many of these signs had little advertising signs from Yahoo.com. So I guess people didn't make all of their own signs.

I did hear Stewart say that we shouldn't hang around with Socialist that want to hurt this country but I guess the argument is about what is a socialist because Stewart agrees with me. He just can't (like most on the left) recognize a socialist when he sees one. It is kind of like being on the battlefield and you see someone else wearing a similar uniform to yours. Despite the fact he has a different kind of weapon and is acting hostile you automatically assume that they are on your side because of the uniform. The Germans used this during the Ardennes Offensive when they dressed some SS soldiers as Americans and infiltrated through lines.

John if people had those signs they are wrong- I have been watching the event for the past 2 hours and seen nothing of the contrary. On the hand about a year ago CNN interviewed true backers of socialist and asked if Obama or his policies were socialist- the overwhelming people who viewed themselves as socialist or backers of socialist said Obama is nowhere near being a socialist. I don't see healthcare being a socialist agenda no more than I see SS as a socialist agenda. by the way, there are some countries that are socialist and people like it- who are we to blame- there are some countries who have theocracies and think Democracy is wrong- so at the end of the day who really cares. I think what we don't see is our freedom being slowly and blindly taken away and that has been done under the Bush administration. What makes me so suspect of the TEA party is that they portray themselves as constitution supporters, but where were they when Bush violated so many thing that are given to us in the Constitution for example Habeus Corpus-spying or wiretapping without a warrant- all of this was pushed by the Bush administration under the disguise that we are "fighting Terrorism"- had the TEA party responded in mass numbers about these natural freedoms being violated by they would be more respected.

[john_galt]

Careful when throwing around the phrase "unconstitutional". I'm writing my senior thesis on that topic at this moment. (Rereading this I should say I'm not trying to shut you down but I'm reading a lot on this very topic and am becoming somewhat of an expert) Most of the Patriot Act was targeting people outside the United States where the constitution does not apply. Many of the thing you are concerned with were passed into law by other presidents and other congresses. Do you know anyone arrested because of the books they checked out at the library? Neither do I. FYI, that law was proposed because of the OKC bombing. Do you know anyone who has had their computer's hard drive downloaded without their knowledge? (yeah, I know) Neither do I, I think. Once again, that law goes back to the Clinton administration. Financial laws concerning transactions into and out from this country are Bush's. The Financial laws about moving money in our own personal bank accounts are from Clinton. Sending suspected terrorists to foreign countries for interrogations... Rendition was from the Clinton years again.

I'm not saying that abuses happen but I have to look if there is a purpose and if it is effective. Many of the Clinton era laws had more to do with domestic operations and dealt with Americans whereas the Bush laws for the most part deal with threats coming into this country from outside. It is up to the Supreme Court to decide what is or is not constitutional. My topic, the Espionage and Sedition Acts, were affirmed by the Supreme Court as being completely constitutional because, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote, there is "a clear and present danger". Four years later this same justice said that the danger had passed and repudiated large parts of those two acts. There is a clear and present danger and we, the US, have a natural right to defend ourselves. We can't do it blind but the focus should be against the real enemies of the country and not the enemies of an administration. That was the abuse practiced nearly 100 years ago. People were rounded up by the thousands, charged, prosecuted, and convicted or departed because they said the draft was unconstitutional or the war (World War I) was wrong.
People have a right to complain (we are Americans, that is what we do) but inflamed rhetoric does no one any good and neither does lying to the voters. I also hope that you will stand against ANY voter fraud, disfranchisement, or intimidation by anyone.

[dirty dog]

"TEA party is that they portray themselves as constitution supporters, but where were they when Bush violated so many thing that are given to us in the Constitution for example Habeus Corpus-spying or wiretapping without a warrant- all of this was pushed by the Bush administration under the disguise that we are "fighting Terrorism""

I am only going to say this, yes some of these things were started by Bush some other Presidents, but if those things started by Bush under the patriot act were wrong, then why did Obama extend this act when it was set to exspire. Obviously he saw the same need as Bush or this would have been ended as he campained to do. In addition President Obama has attempted to expand on some of these acts, especially with regards to supeona less wiretaps.

[john_galt]

So we seem to agree. My point is that Bush targeted people outside the US and Obama's additions seem to target people inside the US. I also have to point out that the Patriot Act was passed by Congress just as the World War I acts were also passed by Congress. Neither democrats or republicans can rid themselves of the responsibility if these laws are abused. Obama on the other hand (I know some don't like to hear this) has passed many things without the approval of Congress. He did it by executive order. I also can't get over the fact that our Justice department said that returning veterans, pro-life people, gun owners, and people who think that they are patriots are to be assumed as having terroristic tendencies. That is scary. One sign still disturbs me; Yes to Genocide, No to World Hunger. Think about that for a minute. That is one scary sign and they probably think of themselves as reasonable.

[john_galt]

A few remnants: http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/C...a.grid-6x2.jpg Republicans with Hitler mustaches

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44413.html second video has Glenn Beck's head on a stick, yeah, thats nice.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...colbert-rally/ I thought this was non-partisan?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...106355893.html what are they afraid that we will see?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101030/ap_on_en_tv/us_stewart_colbert_rally one more thing

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2617865/posts a few pictures

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[dirty dog]

"just look at Reagan's first years- he inherited a mess from Carter and his 1st 2 years people though he was horrible, but he's been one of the better Presidents in the last 30 years."

I do agree with this comment and your point.

[Sarge]

Well, he did sleep through much of his Presidency. Maybe that's what we need to do. Tranquilize Obama for the next two years.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Well, he did sleep through much of his Presidency. Maybe that's what we need to do. Tranquilize Obama for the next two years.

lol, but seriously I hope Obama rebounds and really I want any President regardless of party to do well no one should wish anything bad on president, but Obama has got to concentrate on jobs and politicians have got to stop the non sense and put Americans back to work point blank.