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Old 03-28-2011, 08:23 AM   #1
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Default Mark Steyn: Do-gooders in a land with no good guys

Mark Steyn: Do-gooders in a land with no good guys

It is tempting and certainly very easy to point out that Obama's war (or Obama's "kinetic military action," or "time-limited, scope-limited military action," or whatever the latest ever more preposterous evasion is) is at odds with everything candidate Obama said about U.S. military action before his election. And certainly every attempt the president makes to explain his Libyan adventure is either cringe-makingly stupid ("I'm accustomed to this contradiction of being both a commander-in-chief but also somebody who aspires to peace") or alarmingly revealing of a very peculiar worldview:
"That's why building this international coalition has been so important," he said the other day. "It is our military that is being volunteered by others to carry out missions that are important not only to us, but are important internationally."
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton makes a statement on Libya at the State Department March 24, 2011 in Washington, DC. Clinton said NATO Will take over the command of no-fly zone operations over Libya.
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That's great news. Who doesn't enjoy volunteering other people? The Arab League, for reasons best known to itself, decided that Col. Gadhafi had outlived his sell-by date. Granted that the region's squalid polities haven't had a decent military commander since King Hussein fired General Sir John Glubb half-a-century back, how difficult could it be even for Arab armies to knock off a psychotic transvestite guarded by Austin Powers fembots? But no: Instead, the Arab League decided to volunteer the U.S. military.
Likewise, the French and the British. Libya's special forces are trained by Britain's SAS. Four years ago, President Sarkozy hosted a state visit for Col. Gadhafi, his personal security detail of 30 virgins, his favorite camel and a 400-strong entourage that helped pitch his tent in the heart of Paris. Given that London and Paris have the third- and fourth-biggest military budgets on the planet and that between them they know everything about Gadhafi's elite troops, sleeping arrangements, guard-babes and dromedaries, why couldn't they take him out? But no: They, too, decided to volunteer the U.S. military.
But, as I said, it's easy to mock the smartest, most articulate man ever to occupy the Oval Office. Instead, in a nonpartisan spirit, let us consider why it is that the United States no longer wins wars. OK, it doesn't exactly lose (most of) them, but nor does it have much to show for a now-60-year old pattern of inconclusive outcomes. American forces have been fighting and dying in Afghanistan for a decade: Doesn't that seem like a long time for a noncolonial power to be spending hacking its way through the worthless terrain of a Third World dump? If the object is to kill terrorists, might there not be some slicker way of doing it? And, if the object is something else entirely, mightn't it be nice to know what it is?
I use the word "noncolonial" intentionally. I am by temperament and upbringing an old-school imperialist: There are arguments to be made for being on the other side of the world for decades on end if you're claiming it as sovereign territory and rebuilding it in your image, as the British did in India, Belize, Mauritius, the Solomon Islands, you name it. Likewise, there are arguments to be made for saying, sorry, we're a constitutional republic, we don't do empire. But there's not a lot to be said for forswearing imperialism and even modest cultural assertiveness, and still spending 10 years getting shot up in Afghanistan helping to create, bankroll and protect a so-called justice system that puts a man on death row for converting to Christianity.
Libya, in that sense, is a classic post-nationalist, post-modern military intervention: As in Kosovo, we're do-gooders in a land with no good guys. But, unlike Kosovo, not only is there no strategic national interest in what we're doing, the intended result is likely to be explicitly at odds with U.S. interests. A quarter-century back, Gadhafi was blowing American airliners out of the sky and murdering British policewomen: That was the time to drop a bomb on him. But we didn't. Everyone from the Government of Scotland (releasing the "terminally ill" Lockerbie bomber, now miraculously restored to health) to Mariah Carey and Beyonce (with their million-dollar-a-gig Gadhafi party nights) did deals with the Colonel.
Now suddenly he's got to go – in favor of "freedom-loving" "democrats" from Benghazi. That would be in eastern Libya – which, according to West Point's Counter Terrorism Center, has sent per capita the highest number of foreign jihadists to Iraq. Perhaps now that so many Libyan jihadists are in Iraq, the Libyans left in Libya are all Swedes in waiting. But perhaps not. If we lack, as we do in Afghanistan, the cultural confidence to wean those we liberate from their less-attractive pathologies, we might at least think twice before actively facilitating them.
Officially, only the French are committed to regime change. So suppose Gadhafi survives. If you were in his shoes, mightn't you be a little peeved? Enough to pull off a new Lockerbie? A more successful assassination attempt on the Saudi king? A little bit of Euro-bombing?
Alternatively, suppose Gadhafi winds up hanging from a lamppost in his favorite party dress. If you're a Third World dictator, what lessons would you draw? Gadhafi was the thug who came in from the cold, the one who (in the wake of Saddam's fall) renounced his nuclear program and was supposedly rehabilitated in the chancelleries of the West. He was "a strong partner in the war on terrorism," according to U.S. diplomats. And what did Washington do? They overthrew him anyway.
The blood-soaked butcher next door in Sudan is the first head of state to be charged by the International Criminal Court with genocide, but nobody's planning on toppling him. Iran's going nuclear with impunity, but Obama sends fraternal greetings to the "Supreme Leader" of the "Islamic Republic." North Korea is more or less openly trading as the one-stop bargain-basement for all your nuke needs, and we're standing idly by. But the one cooperative dictator's getting million-dollar-a-pop cruise missiles lobbed in his tent all night long. If you were the average Third World loon, which role model makes most sense? Colonel Cooperative in Tripoli? Or Ayatollah Death-to-the-Great-Satan in Tehran? America is teaching the lesson that the best way to avoid the attentions of whimsical "liberal interventionists" is to get yourself an easily affordable nuclear program from Pyongyang, or anywhere else, as soon as possible.
The United States is responsible for 43 percent of the planet's military spending. So how come it doesn't feel like that? It's not merely that "our military is being volunteered by others," but that Washington has been happy to volunteer it as the de facto expeditionary force for the "international community." Sometimes U.S. troops sail under U.N. colors, sometimes NATO's and, now in Libya, even the Arab League's. Either way, it makes little difference: America provides most of the money, men and materiel. All that changes is the transnational fig leaf.
But lost along the way is hard-headed, strategic calculation of the national interest. "They won't come back till it's over/Over there!" sang George M. Cohan as the doughboys marched off in 1917. It was all over 20 minutes later, and then they came back. Now it's never over over there – not in Korea, not in Kuwait, not in Kosovo, not in Kandahar. Next stop Kufra? America has swapped The Art Of War for the Hotel California: We psychologically check out, but we never leave.
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:58 AM   #2
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So Marshall, what the hell is your point? Or are you just demonstrating that you have learned how to cut and paste?
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So Marshall, what the hell is your point? Or are you just demonstrating that you have learned how to cut and paste?
squawk....squawk....squawk....
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Old 03-28-2011, 10:13 AM   #4
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Have you learned to crayon too?
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Have you learned to crayon too?
I'm still working on the cutting and pasting...had a cut and paste issue on the liberal feminism post......do you read any of this brilliant shit I'm posting?
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No. And it doesn't appear that anyone else does either.
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Old 03-28-2011, 10:24 AM   #7
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No. And it doesn't appear that anyone else does either.
Then how do you expect to get educated? Don't tell me Bill O'Reilly taught you everything you know.......
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Fortunately, I don't have to rely on you for that.
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You know it's ugly when they start eating their own.
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Fortunately, I don't have to rely on you for that.
Not everybody wants to go to Harvard......
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Old 03-28-2011, 10:30 AM   #11
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You know it's ugly when they start eating their own.

PJ's not hardcore......we need to cull the herd........


BTW: Aren't I suppose to be on your ignore list?!? That's one of my goals....obviously I need to redouble my efforts....been too lazy lately.....
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I think Jonathan Swift is lost on Marshall, Maz. Probably because he can't find a blog to cut and paste from.
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I think Jonathan Swift is lost on Marshall, Maz. Probably because he can't find a blog to cut and paste from.
Yes, I said "culling", not "sterilization" [obscure Swift reference].............conservative purification and ascendancy are coming.....


BTW: What is a "conservative libertarian"?....is it like a double negative?
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This is the funniest fuckin thread I've ever read. Keep up the good work guys!!!!!


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I think Jonathan Swift is lost on Marshall, Maz. Probably because he can't find a blog to cut and paste from.

Practice Pointer: Don't act elitist when referencing literature read by your target in high school........oooops, gotta go, Rush is on!
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