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07-01-2011, 03:02 PM
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Casey Anthony is not guilty
Ages ago doctors and police used to explain away as accidents the terrible injuries sometimes visited upon children by their parents.
In the recent past that terrible practice has been replaced by one even more pernicous - wrongfully accusing parents of murder when their children are killed by others or die in accidents.
The Jonbenet Ramsey case is typical. Even though there was evidence that an intruder entered the Ramsey home, Boulder Colorado police never looked for who that intruder was because it was much easier to simply accuse the parents of homicide. The Boulder police never conducted any thorough investigation. They satisfied themselves that the first circumstances they saw [which suggested the parents killed their child] was the truth. They latched onto that belief because it made their job easier. It's always easier to blame the parents then admit that you don't know who the culprit is. Police usually blame whoever is available when some circumstances justify such, and build theories based on that rather than explore alternative theories or investigate further.
Given this situation it's natural that today when a child dies in an accident or is killed by those unknown that the parents are often frightened to tell the police.
In the Casey Anthony case her father is a police detective. He of all people knows the peril any parent puts themselves in when informing the police of the death of a child in their care. It is not surprising that the Anthony family simply hid from anyone what happened to their child.
Watching the ridiculous prosecution case against Casey is very discouraging for anyone interested in justice.
The prosecution has no witnesses, no material or other physical evidence demonstating homicide. They have no facts to prove their hypothesis of homicide whatsoever. Instead of such they only produce junk scientists who claim that something must of decomposed in the trunk of Casey's car [a bird or cat perhaps?] The simple fact is their relying purely on conjecture to persuade the jury. So far it's worked pretty well with the public, which is solidly convinced that Casey is a murderer. Everyone from Bill OReilly to Nancy Grace to People magazine have all drank the koolaid in declaring the the "defense's case is weak."
They seem to have forgotten the defense doesn't need to put forward a case. All the defense need do is point out that the prosecution hasn't met the burdon of their case, which in a murder trial is a very high standard of proof indeed - much beyond the theorizing and speculation upon which the accusations against Casey Anthony reside.
This case will not be rendered on the facts however. The jury will find based on their prejudices and emotion. So far the rule of law is all but absent in Casey's courtroom as well as the media.
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07-01-2011, 05:26 PM
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This case will not be rendered on the facts however. The jury will find based on their prejudices and emotion. So far the rule of law is all but absent in Casey's courtroom as well as the media.
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I think the media has failed on this, they convicted her ages ago and on each and every show ( some mentioned above) they belittle the defense as well as the opinions of those on their panels trying to point out the defenses case.
The media keeps pointing out how the defense has failed to prove the drowning accident. It is more like the prosecution has failed to prove 1st degree murder. All they proved is that Casey is a liar, a slut, a cheat, a drunk, has mental issues and is an unfit mother; they have not proved she committed murder.
All they have is a bunch of testimony and ' tests' of circumstantial items; and half of it has rarely if ever been used in courts, she is getting railroaded at this point as far as a defendant goes whether she is innocent or guilty. Personally, I think the entire Anthony family is koo-koo and I have no klue what really happened..
Wheres the proof?
I also think she has the right to a new jury and new trial as this jury was picked as a ' death penalty' jury and if the death penalty is indeed struck down as unconstitutional in Florida than this jury should not decide her fate. Judge Perry has an ego the size of his stomach, he has given the prosecution every break in the case. He has sentenced many to death before, Casey Anthony is not getting a fair trial and this is going to be in the appeals courts for many years to come..Even Scott Pederson is still alive.
Florida executes fewer whites than minorities
Fewer females than males
White females the least
I have to agree with many experts she will get convicted but perhaps not get death based on the above and falling in the white female category, regardless, this is Casey Anthony Part I; parts II and III to come over the next decade.
The legal system in Florida has failed in this case regardless of the outcome, the jury pool was tainted years ago...
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07-01-2011, 08:13 PM
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She will be convicted, but she will not get the death penalty. I agree that the prosecutions case is weak and circumstantial, but there is enough to convict her of murder as state of mind in this case is key. The party photos and the boyfriends testimony was harsh. The parents testimony did show what Baez wanted to show in that the whole damn family is crazy and are consummate liars. I'm sorry if my daughter came up pregnant I would ask who the father was before she was two! But he put his foot in his mouth with that suicide note and opened the door for the prosecution to undermine his "George" theory. Rookie mistake this IS his first death penalty case.
The media latched on to this case much in the way of Peterson, who was also convicted in California in much the same way. Just as with him, no direct evidence and a tainted pool. Anthony could be tried on the strings of the Keys and it wouldn't be a fair trial.
So far I have counted at least 17 ways that Baez plans to appeal or introduce mitigation. She will just be an old woman living next to Sparky while her appeals go through, but no way does she get a walk.
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07-01-2011, 09:28 PM
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07-02-2011, 09:04 AM
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I think she is guilty of being a shitty mother and knows what happened , but I will still tap that ass!! Casey is cute!!
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07-02-2011, 11:21 AM
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Someone killed the kid. She was in the care, control, and custody of the mother at the time. The mother didn't report anything for 31 days then came forth with multiple lies. At a minimum the mother is guilty of negligent care of a child resulting in death and lying to police. In Florida that should stack up to about 30 years and properly so.
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07-02-2011, 11:58 AM
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Someone killed the kid. She was in the care, control, and custody of the mother at the time. The mother didn't report anything for 31 days then came forth with multiple lies. At a minimum the mother is guilty of negligent care of a child resulting in death and lying to police.
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Where is the proof the child was murdered ( killed) ? I am not saying she wasn't but the state bears the burden of proof, where is it? There is no cause of death, they claim duct tape killed her but there is expert testimony from non jokers that the skull was never examined, DNA evidence lacking, as Michael Baden said ' the science does not support the circumstantial evidence' nor are methods in the case being used as ' smell the fart in the can, it smells like death'; who says? Maybe it smells like rotten pussy?? These methods are not fair nor proven to be effective in courts. This Judge is letting bullshit be brought in to evidence and testimony which only clears the path for an appeal.
With no proof, no one can say the child was killed, if that is the case why can one not argue it was an accident. Once again the defense can claim accident and not have to prove it, the state does have to prove murder and if they can't prove murder than the jury would be wrong to convict her on 2nd degree or manslaughter. Neglect of a child is not murder 1 or Murder 2 nor is it manslaughter; based on the case she should be aquitted and walk..
I am not saying it isn't a sad case, and I do agree with you that she was killed and most likely by Casey but there is no proof and this Judge needs to give fair jury instructions but I think much like the media the Judge convicted her before opening statements..
As the OP stated, emotions and prejudices will decide this case and she will be convicted in a legal system that should have afforded her a fair trial as all US citizens have the right to a fair trial...Not a rigged one..
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07-02-2011, 12:37 PM
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Where is the proof the child was murdered ( killed) ? I am not saying she wasn't but the state bears the burden of proof, where is it? There is no cause of death, they claim duct tape killed her but there is expert testimony from non jokers that the skull was never examined, DNA evidence lacking, as Michael Baden said ' the science does not support the circumstantial evidence' nor are methods in the case being used as ' smell the fart in the can, it smells like death'; who says? Maybe it smells like rotten pussy?? These methods are not fair nor proven to be effective in courts. This Judge is letting bullshit be brought in to evidence and testimony which only clears the path for an appeal.
With no proof, no one can say the child was killed, if that is the case why can one not argue it was an accident. Once again the defense can claim accident and not have to prove it, the state does have to prove murder and if they can't prove murder than the jury would be wrong to convict her on 2nd degree or manslaughter. Neglect of a child is not murder 1 or Murder 2 nor is it manslaughter; based on the case she should be aquitted and walk..
I am not saying it isn't a sad case, and I do agree with you that she was killed and most likely by Casey but there is no proof and this Judge needs to give fair jury instructions but I think much like the media the Judge convicted her before opening statements..
As the OP stated, emotions and prejudices will decide this case and she will be convicted in a legal system that should have afforded her a fair trial as all US citizens have the right to a fair trial...Not a rigged one..
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All this pre-supposition demeans our justice system and a jury's ability to reach a fair verdict. Not one person other than those who have been in court every single minute has any kind of insight into what has been presented and could offer an informed opinion albeit not a legal one. Since attorneys have varying opinions about her guilt, not one has said she is being railroaded.
Give justice a chance to work before claiming it doesn't.
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07-02-2011, 05:28 PM
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Any nekkid pics of Casey?
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07-02-2011, 05:59 PM
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They seem to have forgotten the defense doesn't need to put forward a case. All the defense need do is point out that the prosecution hasn't met the burden of their case, which in a murder trial is a very high standard of proof indeed - much beyond the theorizing and speculation upon which the accusations against Casey Anthony reside.
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Amen.
Years ago I had a friend who was being tried for murder here in Austin. After the prosecution presented their case and it was time for the defense, my friends attorney walked up to the jury and looked them in the eye. He spoke three words. "The defense rests." He walked back and sat down. The jury was nearly hung at one point, but seven hours later my friend walked out of the courthouse a free man.
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07-02-2011, 06:19 PM
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these comments dont take in to account the common sense rule if its looks like a duck smells like a duck it is a duck in case you have never been a parent the very basic horro r of not knowing or find ur child is terrifing not withstanding to anybody i think this girl deserves to die
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07-03-2011, 06:40 AM
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So far the rule of law is all but absent in Casey's courtroom as well as the media.
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"Rule of law". In the good ol' USA? ROFLMAO
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07-03-2011, 02:34 PM
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these comments dont take in to account the common sense rule if its looks like a duck smells like a duck it is a duck in case you have never been a parent the very basic horro r of not knowing or find ur child is terrifing not withstanding to anybody i think this girl deserves to die
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I'd hate see someone convicted because someone can't tell a duck from a loon, a swan, or a goose. If there is reasonable doubt, there is reasonable doubt. IE she is innocent. If there is no doubt, she's guilty.
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07-03-2011, 03:11 PM
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Closing arrangement's are on now.. Cant wait to see what happens
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07-05-2011, 11:49 AM
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An interesting case. The jury has reached a verdict to be read at 1:15. I'd hate to guess what they come back with as I thought it would probably end in a hung jury on the major counts.
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