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timpage · 03-13-2012, 02:08 PM

These murders of Afghan civilians by a member of the US army, mostly women and children, are a horrible thing. This American serviceman must have just gone insane, for whatever reason.

But, I can't help but be amazed at the reaction by the Afghans. Demonstrating and raising all sorts of hell. Where is all the outrage when their fellow countrymen stroll into a market or a church and detonate a suicide bomb vest, killing dozens of women and children? Again, I don't post this to in any way justify or support what our guy did. But, I missed all the demonstrations and wailing and bitching when their own people blew them up. And that has happened scores of times.

We got to get out of that place.

CJ7 · 03-13-2012, 02:15 PM

its the presidents fault for not being there to stop it.
eos

bottom line, we need to get the hell out of the mid east and leave those miserable pukes to their own fucking design. Enough is enough.

joe bloe · 03-13-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CJ7

its the presidents fault for not being there to stop it.
eos

bottom line, we need to get the hell out of the mid east and leave those miserable pukes to their own fucking design. Enough is enough.

I agree. Islamic countries are all basket cases. I say we get out of Afganistan and if they harbor terrorists again, carpet bomb them.

Iaintliein · 03-13-2012, 02:44 PM

The whole fucking region isn't worth the first drop of our soldiers' blood spilled there. Not another drop, not another dime for these fuckers.

CJ7 · 03-13-2012, 04:00 PM

Russia was there 10 years pissing on their feet before they hauled ass.

Russia is smarter than we are.

Jackie S · 03-13-2012, 04:35 PM

That "noble cause" thing ran out long time ago.

As a Vietnam Vet, it did not bother me one bit when we finally said, "screw this shit", and got the hell out.

The minute we leave Afganistan, it will turn right back into the same shithole it has been for centurys. No amount of American Blood spilled will change this.

We all know why we went to Afganistan. 9-11. But, why are we still there over 10 years later?

Putin and all of his cronies must get a good laugh out of this.

CuteOldGuy · 03-13-2012, 04:59 PM

When we commit troops to a useless war, limit their rules of engagement, place them in constant harms way away from everyone they love, and no real reason to be there, what could possibly go wrong?

It's amazing more haven't gone crazy. We need to get them home, cared for and treated. This is not fair to them or anyone else. What a stupid goddam war. Bush and Obama should be put on trial for crimes against humanity.

Grifter · 03-13-2012, 05:01 PM

The biggest flaw in the US governments approach to use of the military is that we try to use soldiers to win the hearts and minds. If you arent committed to breaking the enemies will to fight then just go in get OBL and leave. The rest is just a waste of fucking time.

CJ7 · 03-13-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackie S

That "noble cause" thing ran out long time ago.

As a Vietnam Vet, it did not bother me one bit when we finally said, "screw this shit", and got the hell out.

The minute we leave Afganistan, it will turn right back into the same shithole it has been for centurys. No amount of American Blood spilled will change this.

We all know why we went to Afganistan. 9-11. But, why are we still there over 10 years later?

Putin and all of his cronies must get a good laugh out of this.

Thank you for your service, Sir.

Jackie S · 03-13-2012, 05:37 PM

You are welcome, Sir.

misc.adventure · 03-13-2012, 05:51 PM

It would be easy to write this kid off as a bad apple and forget about him but in my opinion it would also be ignorant to do so.

Life in a combat zone isn't all apples and shiny gems... It's life or death.

This kid spent his days going out the wire, fighting an unidentifiable enemy. An enemy that hides among the people. Can you imagine how difficult it is not to treat EVERYONE as a threat because you can't identify who the threat really is?
Imagine walking out your door knowing that 50% of the people around you are armed and WANT you dead... but they blend in perfectly with the innocent people that you are charged with protecting. Do it for 365 days... with a 1 year break in between cycles....

Then do it 3 more times and tell me that won't fuck with your perception of reality...

Some people break... There is no evidence that he was a heartless blood thirsty killer...

Look, at some point this Soldier showed signs of reaching his breaking point and either his battle buddies and his leadership took his comments as jokes or HOOAH army moments but Id wager he said something to someone....

His leadership failed him. He will have to accept responsiblity for his actions, and he should. But his leadership, his battle buddies, and his unit are partially to blame for letting it go this far.

CuteOldGuy · 03-13-2012, 05:56 PM

+1. Welcome aboard, misc.

Jackie S · 03-13-2012, 06:06 PM

One problem that we have with our current Military is there is no end in sight.

When I was drafted back in 1968 and was sent to Vietnam, I knew that no matter what, one year was it. They could not do anything to send me back. All you had to do was survive that year.

With todays soldiers having to go back, and then back again, and back again, into those hell holes, it is no wonder we have incidents such as this.

Look, we got what we wanted. We now have, for all purposes, a mercenary army. Now, before you go and say 'how dare you say that about our brave men and women", think about it. We are now paying out young men and women to fight our wars for us so that we do not miss the next season of Dancing with the Stars, or miss finding out who the Bachelor will pick as his "bride"

If it were not for the evening news telling us, the vast majority of Americans would not even know that we have been involved in two real life shooting wars for the past 10+ years. Just ask yourself. Have you missed anything, or suffered one bit.

Unless you know of someone who is actually involved, I doubt you have.

One of the contributing factors to the downfall of any civilization is when they finally get too fat, and too complacent, to fight their own wars.

Just ask the Romans.

CJ7 · 03-13-2012, 06:07 PM

Im damn sure not throwing rocks at the soldier ... EVER.

ditto misc, well put

misc.adventure · 03-13-2012, 07:05 PM

thanks guys--was active duty in the United States Marine Corps for 5 years. fortunately, I never served in combat, but I have some really good friends who did, and to this day some of them just don't want to talk about the shit they saw. semper fi.