Kansas provider and Constitutional Carry

[Guest040719]

Since several of our favorite lawyer-types are from Texas, I feel confident about getting a good answer. I carry everywhere the law allows me to do so, especially when working. I know the topic of taking guns on dates has been covered from the hobbyist's POV, but what about from the provider's side? I would only ever produce in self-defense, but I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.

Am I setting myself up for prison even if I'm defending myself?

[ShysterJon]

Why do you want the views of Texas lawyers when you live in Kansas? The answer to your question depends on the state law of Kansas. Maybe a Kansas lawyer will chime in.

Hopefully, one of the computer geek pseudo-lawyers here will not block, copy, and paste any irrelevant crap about what the law is "generally."

[Guest040719]

Because Texas also has Constitutional Carry, does it not?

[ShysterJon]

Originally Posted by Ginger Snap

Because Texas also has Constitutional Carry, does it not?

No.

[Guest040719]

Ohhh my bad. Well, the question remains--am I setting myself up for prison? Should I opt for non-lethal means of self-defense?

[ShysterJon]

The topic of a provider using force and deadly force to defend herself against a hobbyist or to prevent a hobbyist from taking back part of the fee was recently discussed in this thread:

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1664678

There's a lot of crap in the thread, but there's a lot of useful information, too, especially the parts I wrote.

[gary5912]

Originally Posted by Ginger Snap

Ohhh my bad. Well, the question remains--am I setting myself up for prison? Should I opt for non-lethal means of self-defense?

I would advise you to take a conceal carry class and get the permit and they will explain how the law looks at self-defense and yes Texas has a open carry law it went in to affect Jan. 2016, it would not be a good for you if you shoot a client and not have witness to why

[Guest040719]

But I don't have to have a permit, which is why I keep my Kansas address. Open carry and Constitutional carry are two different things. However, yes, I totally agree that I am going to need a damn good reason if I don't have a witness.

Thank you, Shyster Jon, on the thread link. I will read it thoroughly, especially the parts you wrote.

[Buying a *Way to Heaven]

Originally Posted by Ginger Snap

Since several of our favorite lawyer-types are from Texas, I feel confident about getting a good answer. I carry everywhere the law allows me to do so, especially when working. I know the topic of taking guns on dates has been covered from the hobbyist's POV, but what about from the provider's side? I would only ever produce in self-defense, but I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.

Am I setting myself up for prison even if I'm defending myself?

Yes, you are.

In Joklahoma (and, I suspect, most free states) you are entitled to defend yourself only against threats to your life, and the burden of proof is on you.

Laws do not matter. Law consists of:

(90%) getting the sympathy of the judge.

(10%) finding an excuse for the judge to exercise his sympathy.

if a man kills a woman, he is going to prison, period. Laws and circumstances are irrelevant, unless he has $ on an OJ scale.

Prima facie, if a woman kills a man, all she has to do to walk is to say she felt "threatened". But a DA might take cognizance of the fact that the woman seems to be a 'provider' (whatever that means). Why did you feel threatened in a hotel room where you just met a stranger; why were you there at all? Why were you armed?

My advice (disclaimer: this is not legal advice. I am not an attorney. Please disregard my advice): Carry a weapon when you feel it is appropriate. Do not talk about this to anyone. If you have to expose a weapon as a way of enhancing communications, leave the area immediately and change your phone #. If you have to use a weapon, STFU immediately. Continue to STFU when Sgt. Pigg arrives. STFU until a laywer you have paid for (not a public defender) tells you otherwise.

If you have used a weapon, you are a potential defendant. STFU!!!*

* this means "Shut the Fuck Up".

As a lady, your defense will hinge (as always) on the sympathy of the judge, not the law. Be prepared to play it up, but LET YOUR LAWYER DO THE PLAYING before you give ANY evidence. IOW, STFU, no matter what the evidence or who is right or wrong. It makes little or no difference whether you had a license.

[Poppa_Viagra]

Tangental question, and looking for SHyster John's opinion:

Among you who carry, how many carry legal insurance (e.g. Texas Law Shield)?

[Notjodaddy]

It's just my opinion, but If you feel so insecure that you have to carry a firearm around with you, you need more help than you'll find on an escort web site.
Who would go see a provider that openly states that she would have no problem shooting you.
I'll be putting you on what I hope is a short list of providers that I'll never consider seeing

[Guest040719]

Originally Posted by Notjodaddy

It's just my opinion, but If you feel so insecure that you have to carry a firearm around with you, you need more help than you'll find on an escort web site.
Who would go see a provider that openly states that she would have no problem shooting you.
I'll be putting you on what I hope is a short list of providers that I'll never consider seeing

Are you saying that I should warn the ladies about you? Because I clearly stated "I would only pull in self-defense..." If I have to go for my weapon, you are definitely not being a guy that anyone should trust.

As far as me being on a short list, I'm OK with that. Means I'm special. I am giggling that somehow owning a gun makes me insecure. I also wear a seatbelt, lock my front door, and own a fire extinguisher. Woohee! Paranoid beyond belief!! Just call me Chicken Little.

[rcinokc]

Originally Posted by Poppa_Viagra

Tangental question, and looking for SHyster John's opinion:

Among you who carry, how many carry legal insurance (e.g. Texas Law Shield)?

Great idea, several offer coverage in all states. Also not a bad idea to review liability limits on homeowners insurance etc.

[i'va biggen]

Anyone in Ks can carry concealed, as the law was changed. You cannot carry in other states unless you have a CCL. It is best to take the course and learn the laws, and what you are libel for if you use the gun.

[Guest040719]

I know the laws of both Kansas and Missouri as they pertain to me as a civilian. I am only curious as to the potential ramifications as a provider. Since Tazers have gotten so inexpensive, that is my next favorite option. However, we circle right back to the rights of the providers to defend themselves without fear of hard time. God forbid any of us ever have to find out.