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Old 02-10-2023, 03:19 PM   #1
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Default Correcting some misinformation here

I have seen this misinformation mentioned in a few different threads falsely claiming the GOP is trying to eliminate Medicare and Social Security.

I am not sure why people are so misinformed because that is false.

Senile Biden keeps repeating the lie that Republicans want to cut Social Security and Medicare to distract away from the fact he has a long history of supporting cuts to these programs as a senator.

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Old 02-10-2023, 03:19 PM   #2
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Flashback: The person who called for cuts to Social Security and Medicare was Joe Biden.

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Old 02-10-2023, 03:26 PM   #3
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Besides the fact that Senile Biden Is Lying About His Own History On Social Security And Medicare. are people not smart enough to see that Medicare will soon be insolvent with Social Security not far behind it?

Joe Biden Tried Multiple Times To Cut Medicare And Social Security

Many of the positions on deficits and spending that President Joe Biden assailed in his State of the Union message he once espoused. That contrast demonstrates one of the prime reasons Washington will not get federal spending under control—opportunistic political charlatans like the current occupant of the Oval Office.

When the president attacked lawmakers who “want Medicare and Social Security to sunset,” he should have begun by using the perpendicular pronoun. In July 1975, then-Senator Biden proposed legislation to terminate “all provisions of law in effect on the effective date of this Act which authorize new budget authority for a period of more than four fiscal years.”

Biden’s supporters may try to parse that language by claiming that terminating the authorizations for Medicare, Social Security, or the military would not necessarily prevent federal dollars from flowing to those programs. But such claims stand at odds with Biden’s own comments regarding his bill. He said the bill “requires every program”—including Medicare and Social Security—“to be looked at freshly at least once every four years. The examination is not just of the increased cost of the program, but of the worthiness of the entire program.”

Similarly, when Biden claimed that “if anyone tries to cut Social Security [and Medicare], I will stop them,” he omitted his long history of supporting proposals reducing spending on these programs. In spring 1984, Biden, along with Sens. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Nancy Landon Kassebaum, R-Kansas, proposed an across-the-board freeze on federal spending.

The bill would have eliminated all cost-of-living increases in federal employee pay, as well as Social Security and Medicare benefits, for fiscal year 1985.
In a joint Washington Post op-ed, Biden and three other senators claimed they supported the freeze because “federal deficits are a clear and present danger to our economic recovery.”

Also, when Biden claimed that Republicans “say if we don’t cut Social Security and Medicare, they’ll let America default on its debt for the first time in our history,” he neglected to mention that he previously wanted to do exactly that. In October 1984, Biden supported an amendment to a debt limit bill offered by Sen. Paul Tsongas, D-Mass. The Tsongas amendment would have provided for a smaller increase in the debt limit than the underlying bill, and prohibited further debt limit increases until Congress acted on a spending freeze for the following fiscal year.

Biden said he supported Tsongas’ action precisely “because it says we cannot increase the debt limit again until we have acted on a budget freeze”—one that would, like Biden’s spring proposal, have frozen Medicare and Social Security benefits. When the Tsongas amendment failed, Biden voted against raising the debt limit.

As important as Biden’s support for a freeze was his publicly stated reason for suggesting it. In an October 1984 floor speech, he claimed a total federal spending freeze would work because voters “are not stupid…They are not dumb. These folks understand. They know that to cut the deficit, everybody has to be in it.”

Given his volte face—whereby Biden has pledged to veto any bill that reduces spending on the largest two federal programs, Social Security and Medicare—a heretofore supine press might inquire as to exactly when, and under what circumstances, the president grew to believe in the stupidity of the American public.

Voters should find Biden’s behavior disqualifying, and not just because he takes the public for fools. The Medicare trustees, all members of Biden’s own administration, state that the program’s Hospital Insurance Trust Fund will become insolvent in 2028. But Biden has yet to release any plan to avoid an insolvency scenario projected for his potential second term.

Ironically enough, Biden’s earlier proposals to regularly review spending programs and freeze federal spending across-the-board represent possible solutions to tackle our $31 trillion in accumulated debt. But making difficult choices requires a level of forthrightness lacking from a president utterly beholden to his party’s radicalized left.

Consider that in July 2011, President Obama stated that “if you look at the numbers, then Medicare in particular will run out of money, and we will not be able to sustain that program no matter how much taxes go up.” A dozen years later, Biden, by vowing to veto any “cuts” to Medicare, has articulated a position that none other than Barack Obama has characterized as unsustainable.

At a time the nation demands signal leadership, Biden has thrown in his lot with a leftist movement whose underlying philosophy—power through dependence—views Medicare as little more than a bloody shirt to wave at political opponents, or a slush fund to expand dependency elsewhere, rather than a solemn commitment to seniors and the most vulnerable.

Confronted by his own past positions, Biden should come to his senses, and negotiate a bipartisan package that charts a pathway to fiscal sanity. But if he insists on attacking politicians who propose common-sense steps to control our skyrocketing debt, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy should bring to his next White House meeting a gift to remind the president he doesn’t have far to look to find a target for his demagoguery: A mirror.


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If you're going to seriously correct misinformation the least you could do is acknowledge that Mitch McConnell spoke on this very topic this week and said it was a Rick Scott plan, not part of what his leadership is calling for. And Rick Scott had more than a couple backers amongst the ranks.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ck-scotts/amp/
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Old 02-10-2023, 10:34 PM   #6
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Biden is a supreme coward. No vision, no principles, no courage to do what is right.

He just does whatever he is told to do by the sprendthrift far-left "progressive" socialist dolts who are hell-bent on dragging the USA down the road to financial ruin.


Another Ugly Beltway Consensus

Democrats and Republicans rule out entitlement reform.


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Feb. 8, 2023 5:48 pm ET


There may be some downsides to having an 80-year-old running the country. But among the benefits ought to be wisdom, an understanding of history and a focus on the legacy that will be left for future generations. Right now America’s children need President Joe Biden’s leadership in addressing the country’s massive and rapidly rising debt burden. Yet on Tuesday night the president clarified that he has no intention of providing it. Mr. Biden is so committed to rejecting Republicans’ efforts to restrain spending that in his State of the Union address he spent time attacking reforms they’re not even proposing.

It would be one thing if Mr. Biden were attempting to make an economic case that the government can finance massive annual deficits forever without consequence—or that the numbers published by his Treasury and the Congressional Budget Office are wrong. But he’s simply ignoring the problem and rejecting even the idea of discussing spending reforms as he seeks congressional approval for more borrowing.

Speaking of CBO, today Congress’s official budget scorekeeper delivered the latest terrible news for the future taxpayers who will someday need to pay for all of this:

The federal budget deficit was $459 billion in the first four months of fiscal year 2023, the Congressional Budget Office estimates—$200 billion more than the shortfall recorded during the same period last year. Outlays were 9 percent higher and revenues were 3 percent lower from October through January than during the same period in fiscal year 2022.
Nearly half a trillion in just four months!

In just two years of the Biden administration total public debt outstanding has increased by $3.7 trillion. And of course Mr. Biden was an enthusiastic supporter of the lockdown pandemic strategy that contributed to an increase of more than $4 trillion in federal debt the year before he took office. Then there’s the big spending he advocated in his more than four decades as a senator and then vice president.

The federal debt burden is now bigger than our economy, without even counting the much larger burden of promised future benefits from entitlement programs. Yet Mr. Biden—along with his Republican opposition in Congress—is ruling out all the obvious reforms to restrain future spending. The bipartisan consensus, supported by our president, is to reject consideration of any changes in entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare, even though the officials who oversee these programs keep explaining why they need to be changed.

The Social Security Administration summarizes the 2022 annual report from the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees:

Social Security and Medicare both face long-term financing shortfalls under currently scheduled benefits and financing....

The Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund, which pays retirement and survivors benefits, will be able to pay scheduled benefits on a timely basis until 2034...

The Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund, or Medicare Part A, which helps pay for services such as inpatient hospital care, will be able to pay scheduled benefits until 2028...

Lawmakers have many policy options that would reduce or eliminate the long-term financing shortfalls in Social Security and Medicare. Taking action sooner rather than later will allow consideration of a broader range of solutions and provide more time to phase in changes so that the public has adequate time to prepare.

The president has forged a bipartisan agreement not to talk about the subject, ensuring that the public has as little time as possible to prepare. This is a disgraceful abdication of leadership. National Review’s Philip Klein opines:

Watching leaders, many at or near retirement age, agree to do absolutely nothing to address this problem is an act of fiscal violence against younger Americans.

Violence may be a strong word, and absent market-based reform the future doesn’t look so hot for beneficiaries, either. But clearly younger Americans face the largest financial burdens.

Mr. Biden is the most responsible official with the most authority to solve the problem and he’s essentially telling young people to find some other adult to care about their financial futures. Haven’t America’s kids suffered enough under his Covid policies?

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If you're going to seriously correct misinformation the least you could do is acknowledge that Mitch McConnell spoke on this very topic this week and said it was a Rick Scott plan, not part of what his leadership is calling for. And Rick Scott had more than a couple backers amongst the ranks.
1. So are you seriously trying to dismiss or deflect from the fact that Senile Biden, on multiple occasions as documented above, wanted to cut Medicare and Social Security?

2. As to Rick Scott's plan - please show where exactly he spells out that he wants to specifically "ELIMINATE Medicare and Social Security". Be specific - post the exact language mentioning him wanting to eliminate Medicare and Social Security.
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I'm not defending Biden, chief. He's one of many. Go read not just Scott's plan but all the press he put out about it. Stop pretending that Republicans aren't trying to sundown Social Security and Medicare. There have been folks on both sides of the fence who have called for its elimination for decades and yet you're going to pretend it's just a Biden and a Democrat thing. It's both disingenuous and dishonest hyperpartisan drivel.

Meanwhile, we all know it's not happening. Mitch will die on that hill before he lets it happen because it's political suicide.

If folks on both sides the fence stopped sensationalizing this shit we'd have 2 less cat turd threads cluttering up the Sandbox.
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And yet there you were deflecting for Senile Biden

And nothing in your response included "the exact language mentioning him wanting to eliminate Medicare and Social Security"

There is a reason for that and you know it. That language DOES NOT EXIST. You, along with Senile Biden and your fellow leftists are being dishonest about his plan. It was not about Medicare and Social Security. It did not mention them specifically. It was about ALL government spending and calling for a review every 5 years of every program. You know, like businesses have to do in the real world all the time
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You seem stuck in the fantasy that I am a leftist and that I'm giving Biden cover. I'm not. I recognize that Biden and Scott have driven similar clown cars on this issue. Scrape off the paint on this newest one and you may even find it's using the same body.

And yet some have the audacity to pretend otherwise.

You don't setup a sundown like he proposed in the same way you don't flag someone with a gun unless you're comfortable with it going off and hitting its target. If he wanted to force change, it's not by sticking it on an automated chopping block to try to force concessions where small groups of radicals on either side can hikack the process.

That's not sound strategy... it's incredibly fucking stupid. Mitch gets it and knows it's an absolute loser politically for the common citizen.
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Republicans are doing a horrendous job cutting Medicare and SS. Democrats have accused them of doing so for half a century, at least, as a means to drive seasoned citizens to the polls, and it still hasn’t happened.

SS should be opt-outable, imo. The government does a lousy job investing, the people should have the option of doing it themselves. In a perfect world the entire program would be bulldozed. I don’t recall anything about Uncle Sam being financial advisor, a shitty one at that, in the constitution. Teach kids about budgeting, saving, and the power of compound interest and let them do it themselves so they can have a comfortable retirement, not a meager check that’s barely enough to eat.
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Because it's an extremist position that plays well in a primary among a minority of motivated voters but alienates key segments needed to win the general.

SS and Medicare were two of he worst programs the government ever created. They were never set up to be successful or sustainable. They were bad policy. But they are so entrenched and ingrained into society now as the foundational bedrock of our retirement system. And setting up a battle on this every 5 years where it can sundown is a fools errand. Especially with so few moderates in power to legitimately secure enough bipartisan support for better deals.

Mitch gets it. Most folks with common sense get it.
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You seem stuck in the fantasy that I am a leftist and that I'm giving Biden cover.
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If he wanted to force change, it's not by sticking it on an automated chopping block to try to force concessions where small groups of radicals on either side can hikack the process.

That's not sound strategy... it's incredibly fucking stupid. Mitch gets it and knows it's an absolute loser politically for the common citizen.
Not a fantasy. One can see your posts and positions here. Hell, just look at this issue. Your fellow leftists had several posts with misinformation about the GOP wanting to eliminate Medicare and Social Security and yet when I post one showing Senile Biden proposed exactly that multiple times, you only post on this one to deflect and cover for Senile Biden. It's all quite obvious.

So I guess based on your statements you are fine with the government continuing to spend money it doesn't have, increasing the national debt to unsustainable levels and never reviewing any existing government program. And that you are fine with Medicare and Social Security going bankrupt because hey, trying to fix them is a political loser.

Please

And Mitch is a RINO member of the uniparty who only cares about himself and getting re-elected. At least someone like Scott had the balls to suggest we need to review every government program every five years to see if they are still worthy and in the process fix and preserve Medicare and Social Security so that they are financially solvent for the long term.
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Left of you isn't left. We've covered that ad nauseum. And you could have addressed this in that thread but felt compelled to control your narrative with a new thread instead of have an informed discussion there.

That said, no, I don't support reckless spending and out of control debt inflation. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. Politically moderate. We can walk and chew gum same time, beery. In some cases that means cutting programs. Eliminating fat and pork. Focusing on deficit reduction. But I also recognize the need to grow the economy and tax base and take care of the little guy. Address the boomer gap of SS and Medicare drawdowns vs workers inputting into the system through common sense immigration reform. Not family sponsorship, or as obtuse partisans call it, chain migration. Business sponsorship so we actually focus on filling jobs. Creating a stronger guest worker program to fill roles which most American shun, and overhaul the path to permanancy. We can't just focus on jobs which can attract high caliber talent and make great money and use that to bolster the coffers. The tax base itself needs to be expanded. Tax regulations need to be simplified. We need welfare reform, badly. We need less college graduates with cute degrees and no life skills or job prospects and more labor, and a stronger focus on STEM at all levels education.

There are a lot of issues that can right themselves if we focus on the low hanging fruit instead of trying to create consensus through Frankenstein legislation which will never work.

But your absolutist language is indicative of the problem. Not solutions. Stop focusing on zero sum. Stop making every situation all or nothing. No one said there aren't programs which can't be sunset. Spend that can't be addressed. But you also have to drive the right balance on the revenue side, not just focus on cost. Like every business does. And get fucking creative.

You don't achieve the end goal by putting a guillotine over SS, Medicare and Medicade every 5 years. That also doesn't mean those programs are sacred calfs that must be worshipped and can't be touched. Plenty can be addressed without a sunset provision.

If folks followed Mitch's plans instead of Trump's you'd have seen Republican control of the house and Senate. You call him a RINO, but he knows a lot better than you or I how to function within the swamp and it was his machinations and political calculus that setup most of Trump's victories.
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He knows how to function within the swamp because he is the swamp. He’s been selling out his country to enrich himself and his family for decades, peddling influence to the highest bidder, typically China. There’s not a lick of difference between him and Biden, regardless of which letter they put behind their name. They don’t give a single fuck about their country or it’s citizens, only the next envelope of cash.
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