Sexual Promiscuity in Gay/Lesbian/TS/TG/BBW/Poor/Spoiled/Guys With High Review Counts etc.. etc... It lumps people into high risk groups....

[Whispers]

High Risk Groups. How are they determined?

I have a "Lesbian" Friend that I have slept with a few times. In my opinion she is not a lesbian but has incredible Daddy Issues that drove her to a lifestyle to gain the attention of her father. Even if it was negative Attention. She acknowledges that outside of all of her other experiences she enjoys and desires sex with me. But she lives her life as a "lesbian"...... She shocked me recently when she mentioned that she has brought home and slept with a "gay" boy because he is "pretty"..... She let me know it was not what she hoped for.... I will not sleep with her again....

I find the gay and Lesbian community to be far more promiscuous that other groups of people and I believe that a lot of it comes from the same place it evolves from in TS/TG as well as fatties....

many of these people are not well adjusted and desperate for love.... or just acceptance..... but whatever the reason..... they scream for acceptance saying they are normal yet their behavior is not....

Originally Posted by 3daygetaway

F2C, not singling you out here, but wanting to ask, why are providers TS-averse?

I think it is because those who engage in Anal sex (a proclivity of the TS community)are statistically at a higher risk of HIV and STD. But higher than whom? Needle-sharers? Sub-Saharan Africans? Gays? or...wait for it...Prostitutes and their clients?

This may be a "Pot calling the kettle black" situation. WE, all of us hobbyists, are already dabbling in a very high-risk exposure industry/hobby. And ANY provider who does Bareback-anything increases the risk...nevermind those who take CIM! For us to make TS providers or their clients pariahs is not mitigating risk, so much as convincing ourselves that we are not as exposed as we are.

If a Post Op TS provider says, "I rarely have anal sex and my man-made vagina does not naturally excrete bodily fluid" then she seems safer than most, thereby putting her in a different/safer class, right? I mean, since you will be wearing a condom, the risk is even lower.

Am I correct?
Is the STD risk the reason straight providers are averse to TSes/their men?

I think Providers are adverse to them and their clients simply because there is a greater risk factor.

Everything about this experience and this community is about mitigating risk for most.

Financial as well as physical risk....

When a guy gets a rep of bare backing it becomes more difficult to schedule with long term more upscale providers..... The same for guys with T/Ss or that proclaim they are bisexual....

And yes..... Guys with high review counts..... I experienced it more than once on ASPD where my review count was somewhere around 350... Some girls refused to see me for that reason alone.....

I'm guilty of it myself when looking at how long a lady has been around the community.... I prefer ladies new to the business and part of that is mitigating risk.

We all present greater risk and are labeled..... Some more than others.....

I hope you all know that should you ever have a loved one or family member that is in need of blood that you are barred from donating as a result of a single experience with a prostitute.

To answer your question 3 day....as Risk goes.... when you cross that line to TS/TG you are hitting probably the HIGHEST RISK possible for yourself as well as others....

A lot of doors will close to you after you cross that line... unless of course you keep it to yourself.....

That is not a fear born in ignorance. It is a policy developed based on risk factors.

Why are TS/TGs considered even higher risk than others? Many experimented sexually to far greater extent.... hetero as well as homosexual partners..... many are far more promiscuous that others as a result of their desire to BE with someone.... their desire to be accepted by someone..... Many have been on the streets at an early age..... Of the 4 I personally knew in the Foster Care System ALL were prostituting themselves on the streets and unprotected sex was a regular occurrence.

of the different groups here you could possible enjoy time with you are probably deciding on the riskiest and that is why you will experience that attitude.

[3daygetaway]

I have nothing substantial to add, but I did read it and appreciate your thorough contribution.

[Still Looking]

DEMANDING acceptance never works!

[3daygetaway]

Unless your "thing" was already accepted, there's no other way to be accepted! Think about the struggles we're familiar with from American history:

Freedom from England--DEMAND/war
End of Slavery/state's rights--DEMAND/war
Women's Suffrage--DEMAND
Labor Unions/Worker's Rights--DEMAND
Immigrants--DEMAND
Anti-war effort--DEMAND
Civil Rights--DEMAND

[Annef]

Originally Posted by Still Looking

DEMANDING acceptance never works!

That strategy has worked quite well for the male homosexual community, probably the most organized and politically active of all the communities. "I'm out, I'm proud, get used to it". That was a demand and for the most part it worked. Everyone got used to it. Also, every marginalized group has to demand acceptance in one way or another. That is, historically, the way change occurs.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Annef

That strategy has worked quite well for the male homosexual community, probably the most organized and politically active of all the communities. "I'm out, I'm proud, get used to it". That was a demand and for the most part it worked. Everyone got used to it. Also, every marginalized group has to demand acceptance in one way or another. That is, historically, the way change occurs.

I would not say "everyone". There are millions of people not accepting of the lifestyle here and all over the world.

[3daygetaway]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I would not say "everyone". There are millions of people not accepting of the lifestyle here and all over the world.

VERY true, but this is Austin, a comparatively Queer-friendly city...I mean, seriously, when was the last time you picked up a Chronicle? And in general, television, theater, music, film, and the internet are very accepting--far more than 30 years ago.

[RouterJockey]

I find it interesting that the OP makes statements that are meant to sound like fact, but are nothing more than opinion based on some level of experience. Based on other posts about the gay and lesbian community by the OP, I'm going to guess and state my opinion that your knowledge of the community is based on a very small subset and then generalized across the whole, which is pretty unfair.

The highest risk category would be this community in and of itself, all parties included. To attempt to then segregate this community further is a waste of time and energy.

Also - the 'reasons' that you state for people being Gay are pretty much the same reasons that people would say that men hire escorts as well, so please feel free to count yourself in that same group.

I personally do not have an issue with providers that are going to place someone on a do not accept list because they wrote a review with a TS pre or post. This is their business and their right to do so.

You bring up valid points on why some may do so. You left out that other will do so, simply because they do not agree that people should be gay and therefore will not be with anyone that is accepting, or that other just because.

Guess my point is that you have brought up the point time and time again, but you do not bring any facts to the table, only opinion that you want to pass off as fact. I am not arguing the level of risk, because I have not looked up the facts. Simply keep in mind that small part of the 'community' that you deal with may not represent the whole and if you were to open your mind up a bit more you may find yourself surprised by what you learn.

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by 3daygetaway

Unless your "thing" was already accepted, there's no other way to be accepted! Think about the struggles we're familiar with from American history:

Freedom from England--DEMAND/war
End of Slavery/state's rights--DEMAND/war
Women's Suffrage--DEMAND
Labor Unions/Worker's Rights--DEMAND
Immigrants--DEMAND
Anti-war effort--DEMAND
Civil Rights--DEMAND

As a Man Whore I some times feel very alienated! but I'm Ok with it!

[3daygetaway]

Originally Posted by Still Looking

As a Man Whore I some times feel very alienated! but I'm Ok with it!

Your Majesty, to be alienated and Unaccepted are different things: One can be alienated by their prestige (such as royalty), but those who are unacceptable are marginalized, despised, and de-humanized.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by 3daygetaway

VERY true, but this is Austin, a comparatively Queer-friendly city...I mean, seriously, when was the last time you picked up a Chronicle? And in general, television, theater, music, film, and the internet are very accepting--far more than 30 years ago.

Austin is changing.

And will be much different 10 years from now as the people that made Austin what it was find they can no longer afford to live here and the new people moving here effect change.

We have the fastest growing Rental Shortage Problem in the Country with the fastest increasing rents. Rents greatly outweigh avg income and more people are being forced into subsidized housing. The problem there being more Property Owners are refusing to participate in those programs. Personally.... I don't know where the hippies and musicians are going to live much longer

People moving here are coming from big cities. Places bigger than Austin with a different feel.

They seem to be looking for 2 things...... Bar B Que and C&W Music and dancing.

Growth is occurring downtown and neighborhoods are changing their dynamics.

I cannot say for sure what it will be but I AM sure it will be very different..... with a feel more like Houston and Dallas 10 years from now.

[Annef]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I would not say "everyone". There are millions of people not accepting of the lifestyle here and all over the world.

Well, sure, but their voices are the ones that are becoming marginalized at this point.
By everyone I was really referring to the scale of public opinion. At a certain point, it tipped in response to the demand. That's the sweet spot of all change. That moment in history when it tips. And it has, there's about as much chance of us going backwards in the gay/lesbian civil rights movement as there is of reinstating slavery. To quote Martin Luther King, "The arc of the universe is long, but it tends towards justice." Any rate, I'm not sure if this really has anything to do with your original post, I kind of skimmed it, sorry. I am kind of curious as to why fat girls are lumped in with all the rest of the over-humping undesirables. What is your reasoning there? I have never noticed larger women to be more promiscuous or perceived as so. No soap box, just curious.

[Loxly]

I'm also curious as to the BBW reference. Is the preception supposed to reflect desperation that they'd see just about anyone?

[Hero Zimmerman]

I have done BBFS/creampie with lots and lots of ladies. But since I am white, heterosexual, and dont use needles, this makes me low risk. Ladies, get in touch.

[JennsLolli]

Originally Posted by RouterJockey

I find it interesting that the OP makes statements that are meant to sound like fact, but are nothing more than opinion based on some level of experience...The highest risk category would be this community in and of itself, all parties included. To attempt to then segregate this community further is a waste of time and energy.

Why hello, handsome. Want to be my date at the All Cats are Girls and All Dogs are Boys Symposium that I'm hosting in February? Last year's was a flop -- for my presentation I brought in a boy cat as my ringer, but it turns out none of the audience knew how to correctly identify his parts and the whole nipple thing really threw everyone off. Point is, you sound handsome and there will be booze and boobs, so I thought I should extend the invitation.

Originally Posted by Annef

I am kind of curious as to why fat girls are lumped in with all the rest of the over-humping undesirables

Hey Anne! Yeah, this point confused me, too. I mean, I thought we were all on here (the forum) because we aren't hot enough to be too busy fucking. Or like, I'm chubby so I have too few appointments and therefore have to lure men in with my SAT words. And yet I'm higher risk than the hot 20 something that gets 150 "PMs" a day? Can you get an STI via PM? Funny story, the surest way to cut down on a girl's RW promiscuity is to introduce her to the hobby. But at the end of the day, none of that really matters. We're all here and we're all high risk. We aren't even supposed to give blood, dammit.