Not All Money is Good Money

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Ladies, not all money is good money. You have to remember that. Just because it all spends or you may need it, doesn’t mean it’s worth it to see someone that you have a bad feeling about for one reason or another. Sometimes those reasons will be overt, as in a blind man could see it, and sometimes those reasons will be covert like your spidey senses going off. I’m not necessarily talking about some serial killer wanting to wear your skin though it does happen in the Indy World where there’s a physical risk though I’ve not known anyone that has been physically harmed. I’m talking about clients or men that contact you that are hobby lifers, hagglers, time wasters, and the worst clients that are dark knights. These dark knights can affect anything from you mood to your business. Dark knights, being the worst of the set of shitty clients, are clients that go out of their way to hassle, or worse, derail a lady’s business. Everyone knows there’s also those irritating clients that you’d really rather not see, but their money spends so you see them. But, I’m more talking about problem clients or some wanna be client. You know those ones that call you saying, “Baby, I just know I love you, but can you see me for bla-bla.” You wanna say, “NO, I can’t fucking see you for half my rate asshole.”, but you learn to just ignore those wannabes.
Fortunately, about eighty percent of them can be spotted through the introductory and screening phase. The ones that sneak through your screening process and defy your spidey senses, for whatever reason, are the worst ones. And it is important that you deal with them quickly and effectively as much as it will gall you to do so. Because those silently disappointed, post-coital fuckers that dark knight you are the most dangerous to your business.

Catching the ones not to see from the get-go is easy once you get the hang of dealing with the TCB (Taking Care of Business – the correspondence, screening, setting the appointment, etc.) side of the business. Because hobby lifers are a big catch all for many if not all but five percent of the men and categories of men not to see because they are typically hagglers, time waters and in general hanger-oners, I’ll start with them. They’ll try to tell you all kinds of bullshit ranging anywhere from “I just want to hang out with you” to “Baby, I’m going to take care of you”. But the bottom line is: they don’t want to pay and they can’t take care of you. If they could, they wouldn’t be hassling hookers and strippers for a little love, between the sheets lovin’, or whatever the fuck they get out of the game/s they play so stay away from them. Believe it or not these hobby lifer assholes trying to hustle you for whatever isn’t the main reason you want to stay away from them. The number one reason you want to stay away from them is not only do they not want to pay, but they will run their mouth about you when you cut them off. They’re great at talking you up while you are giving them what they want. When they are fat and happy with your sweet attentions, they are driving traffic to your door by flapping their big fat mouths about you. But once you decide you’re done with their bullshit, if you’re lucky, all you’ll be out is your time and and the money you spent picking up the check/s. If you’re unlucky, the dark knight comes out and they shit talk you to the Nth Degree in their private little man-dens where shitty little men talk shit about women they can never have – not that I have an opinion on this one fucking way or another ha-ha and wink-wink. The lifers will of course be off you for good, but the real danger is some potential clients will believe said lifer. And some new, good paying, potential clients may be off you for good too because of the lifer’s rumor mongering and lies. It’s not fair, but that’s the way of it nonetheless.
So best advice starting out, stay off the boards except for your ads, if you choose to run ads on local message boards, and the occasional happy fun-time post or here and there to remind the gentlemen of your presence. Avoid posting prolifically on the boards so the hobby lifers won’t have a chance to develop a repartee with you. However, Once you are established and you know the characters, post away to catch the eye of the lurkers. I personally did a bang up business from the lurkers.
Now let’s pick on the next bunch: the hagglers. They can be a bitch to gauge. If it’s a “How much for an hour?” inquiry, refer him to your website. DO NOT DISCUSS YOUR RATE WITH ANYONE WITHOUT SCREENING THEM. First off, if he’s for real, he’ll give you his screening information. If he’s just some asshole wanting a nice Indy lady for Backpage prices, he’ll blow you off before you get a chance to blow him off. I do not recommend discussing price or negotiating your hourly rate with anyone that you’ve not see at least once. Now if you want to negotiate a new rate with a client that sees you regularly, fine. There’s nothing wrong with a volume discount or grandfathering in old clients when you raise your rates.

The guy that wants to know how much for you to drive to Conroe for two hours and wants to know how much isn’t so much of a haggler but more of an astute consumer that doesn’t really want to pay you for your two hours’ drive time but knows he has to compensate you somehow. (Another option is to get a nice three star minimum hotel half way.) If you have the time and want the money, SCREEN HIM FIRST. UNDER NO CIRUCMSTANCES, DISCUSS RATES WITHOUT SCREENING HIM FIRST. It’s worth going through the trouble to screen this type of client because he’s more than likely a decent enough guy. You just need to decide whether you want the money or not. If you do, don’t tell they guy it’s a four hour minimum because you’ll loose the appointment. If there’s any doubt on his end about the fee, that is if he asks or even mentions pricing for extended engagements or long drive times, get the fee for the extenuating circumstances straight from the get go or don’t see him. As an example, if you’re two hour minimum is $800 run out there and see for a grand or whatever. But not mention anything and at the end of your appointment expect to get paid for four hour rate for a two hour appointment and your drive time. At the very least you’ll lose a potential repeat client. He could write a bad review about you. He could do an alert on you. He could start a thread on a local board about you. Or he could bird dog all your reviews and say nasty things about you.

Time wasters are just that – time wasters. I gave them two questions and if they asked a third, I politely got off the phone with them. I’m not put on the planet to have free phone sex with some asshole.

If you meet with a client that turns out to be a dark knight for whatever reason, it’s important for you to do your best to neutralize him as quickly and quietly as possible. If you know the reason the dark knight has a hard on for you, you can try to address that, head on, BEHIND THE SCENES, with him. That is do not take it to the local hobby message board with him. If he’s super hateful even after you’ve tried to address the issue with him, and if the issue is REALLY no fault of your own, try involving the local moderators to head him and any negative comments he may have off at the pass. If it is a combination of both of your faults, still appealing directly to a FEMALE FRIENDLY moderator can help. Or you can do your best to avoid the dark night or any topics that might incite the dark knight. REMEMBER, YOU WILL NEVER WIN GETTING INTO A PUBLIC MUD SLINGING CONTEST WITH ANYONE LET ALONE A HOBBIEST. Stay out of it other than to say you are very sorry that he, as your former client, feels that way and offer him a refund or whatever amends making gesture you feel meets his needs. If he’s not your client, say you are sorry he feels that way, but make it clear that you two have never met and that your TCB skills were not the cause of the problem/s at hand – AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

If you have no idea why your dark knight is dogging you around town, you can try appealing to him privately, but that really is the best you can do. Enlisting white knights to help you with a dark horse can backfire. You run the risk of the hobby lifers ganging up on your white knight and you. If that happens, stay the fuck out of it.

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[heinz5710]

Does that go the other way around? What about the ladies that you see, have a pleasant time with, and you pay their rate. Then they message you the next week asking when you will see them again. Even worse, they give you some sob story that they are short a few dollars and can you help them out even though you aren't interested in a session right now. They swear they will pay you back in 'between the sheets time.' If you are foolish enough or rich enough or good hearted enough and lend them some money they never seem to want to give you some extra time paid for in advance. In my day, if I helped a lady out, I wouldn't think of it as a loan. I considered it a gift. Rarely have I found an escort that didn't have money as their number 1 priority. Even worse, these dark princesses think they would make great sugar babes and offer you a monthly price for unlimited services when they know they will never spend any more time with you then the hourly rate you paid for in advance. In other words, they aren't your friend. Don't get me wrong. Most ladies have some sort of ethics and they give you a great GFE when you are with them. It is almost as if the money wasn't there. Both enjoyed the process. I also have been given extra time by many ladies as they weren't watching the clock. They received the agreed upon fee and enjoyed being with me. Those beautiful princesses have enriched my life.
The dark princesses become a nuisance. "Oh please come see me again!" "I've done more for you than your wife ever did!" (True only in between the sheets activity) Even though you had a pleasant time or two with the dark lady, the money is all that she is after. They won't give you an hour for lunch unless the hourly rate is given. For me, it often took a bit of meanness just to get them to leave me alone. Mean was never my style. I loved the lady who treated me as a man. Age and physical problems have retired me from the business. I wasn't just another John. I was a gentlemen. Yet, when I saw your post, I just had to comment. Not all the money is good money if you are an escort but not all the sex is the same. A woman's greatest sex organ is above her shoulders and not between her legs. Since you are giving advice to the ladies to be careful regarding the gentlemen, my advice to the true gentlemen is to beware of dark princesses. Being a great escort is a skill other than knowing how to suck a dick. Most men are paying to be with a good woman and not just a c___. Forgive my crudeness.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by heinz5710

Does that go the other way around? in the hookers eyes... NO What about the ladies that you see, have a pleasant time with, and you pay their rate. Then they message you the next week asking when you will see them again. Tell them to fuck off since she is wasting YOUR time calling and your time is valuable also Even worse, they give you some sob story that they are short a few dollars and can you help them out even though you aren't interested in a session right now. Tell them to go flat back it a little more to get that money because your not a charitable giver They swear they will pay you back in 'between the sheets time.Yeah right.. Chances are slim to none for that actually happening so tell her to once again post an ad and flat back it seeing you actually work for your money and she should also. lmao If you are foolish enough or rich enough or good hearted enough and lend them some money they never seem to want to give you some extra time paid for in advance. If a trick/john/customer/client is that stupid they seriously need to be culled from the hobby In my day, if I helped a lady out, I wouldn't think of it as a loan. I considered it a gift.And why even gift? Rarely have I found an escort that didn't have money as their number 1 priority.True that! Even worse, these dark princesses think they would make great sugar babes and offer you a monthly price for unlimited services when they know they will never spend any more time with you then the hourly rate you paid for in advance. Hookers and strippers make god awful SB's and that is a well proven fact. Yet some get that idea in their muddled little heads that they can do the SB thing and find some idiot.. I mean sucker who will believe they are his Sb and not his and 30 other guys.. lmaoIn other words, they aren't your friend.And any guy who believes any hook is his "friend" needs to be culled from the hobby Don't get me wrong. Most ladies have some sort of ethics and they give you a great GFE when you are with them. True It is almost as if the money wasn't there. Both enjoyed the process. I also have been given extra time by many ladies as they weren't watching the clock. They received the agreed upon fee and enjoyed being with me. Those beautiful princesses have enriched my life. No enrichment for me. Just satisfied a need with no strings attached for me
The dark princesses become a nuisance. "Oh please come see me again!" "I've done more for you than your wife ever did!" (True only in between the sheets activity) Even though you had a pleasant time or two with the dark lady, the money is all that she is after. They won't give you an hour for lunch unless the hourly rate is given. For me, it often took a bit of meanness just to get them to leave me alone. Mean was never my style. I loved the lady who treated me as a man. Age and physical problems have retired me from the business. I wasn't just another John. I was a gentlemen. Yet, when I saw your post, I just had to comment. Not all the money is good money if you are an escort but not all the sex is the same. A woman's greatest sex organ is above her shoulders and not between her legs. Since you are giving advice to the ladies to be careful regarding the gentlemen, my advice to the true gentlemen is to beware of dark princesses. Actually everyone. Hell we as guys control this hobby after all. We can live without pussy but how long can a chick live without money? Being a great escort is a skill other than knowing how to suck a dick. Most men are paying to be with a good woman and not just a c___. Forgive my crudeness.

Simple solutions to the above posed questions in red.

[Eva Damita]

This is a great thread Olivia. And it's a great reminder for touring ladies...many gents in some areas will wait in hopes to you`d visit without any prebooks then haggle your rates on your last day in hopes that you`re desperate and will accept them. Also, in regards to the dark knights, I had an issue where I kept the two situations under-wraps and shared only with the mods. Besides there are many great guys out here who understand that P4P is a luxury, not a necessity. I don't HAVE to get my nails done, it's a luxury to be able to do so, therefore I do not haggle my cute lil Asian nail technician to lower the rate. But back to the discretion part - keeping qualms between you and the moderators (I make sure to contact at least 3 to let them be aware of the problem) and don't even bother to rebut what the Dark Knight says - as many hobbyist can spot BS reviews, rants, and accusations. Not to mention, a providers business and history speak for themselves, so I don't sweat it. The ("female friendly") mods are here to help us all, and Ladies, Elisabeth Whispers is a jewel, so feel free to pm her as well regarding issues and concerns you feel only a fellow provider can relate to. Just be sure it's serious enough, no need to create more work for the great mods on the board.

I expect more great responses OH, again, thanks for addressing just one of the many white elephants in the room, hehehe.

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

Simple solutions to the above posed questions in red.

Welcome back, Blad. I've been lost without your love... It's been too quiet around here. Looking forward to hearing more from you.

xoxo,
LMx

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Eva Damita

This is a great thread Olivia. And it's a great reminder for touring ladies...many gents in some areas will wait in hopes to you`d visit without any prebooks then haggle your rates on your last day in hopes that you`re desperate and will accept them. Just like numerous women who escort will call asking for "loans" or trying to hurry you back for more time because they fail at managing finances. Also, in regards to the dark knights, I had an issue where I kept the two situations under-wraps and shared only with the mods. Besides there are many great guys out here who understand that P4P is a luxury, not a necessity. Yet very few women who escort see it this way since the beg for money (i.e. loans) all the time. I don't HAVE to get my nails done, it's a luxury to be able to do so, therefore I do not haggle my cute lil Asian nail technician to lower the rate. And I bet you do not offer her something you may have for future sessions like some women who escort do. You know the old "If you loan me X amount I will gladly repay you with time and services in the future. And us guys know that 8 out of 10 times that future is soon forgotten by those women. But back to the discretion part - keeping qualms between you and the moderators (I make sure to contact at least 3 to let them be aware of the problem) and don't even bother to rebut what the Dark Knight says - as many hobbyist can spot BS reviews, rants, and accusations. Not to mention, a providers business and history speak for themselves, so I don't sweat it. The ("female friendly") mods are here to help us all, and Ladies, Elisabeth Whispers is a jewel, so feel free to pm her as well regarding issues and concerns you feel only a fellow provider can relate to. Just be sure it's serious enough, no need to create more work for the great mods on the board.

I expect more great responses OH, again, thanks for addressing just one of the many white elephants in the room, hehehe.

There you go

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Welcome back, Blad. I've been lost without your love... It's been too quiet around here. Looking forward to hearing more from you.

xoxo,
LMx

Ehh.. It is quiet with me here too..

But good seeing you again hon..

[Charlotte Breeze]

I think this is a really good post! A lot of girls get put off the business before they learn how to deal with these people, and it's too bad.

And to the guys, I don't think this is a "well what about us! Look at how bad we have it!" Situation either. What about the girls who ask for money? Don't give it to them. The advice is in the post above. There's no reason to try and start arguments "fixing" posts, because we are all talking about the same thing.

[Eva Damita]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

I think this is a really good post! A lot of girls get put off the business before they learn how to deal with these people, and it's too bad.

And to the guys, I don't think this is a "well what about us! Look at how bad we have it!" Situation either. What about the girls who ask for money? Don't give it to them. The advice is in the post above. There's no reason to try and start arguments "fixing" posts, because we are all talking about the same thing.

My new Woman Crush is officially Charlotte, heheheh ( ok I have a couple on my list, lilminx, BSB, YummyMarie...)

But yes, I've not ever asked for a loan. I don't know a provider who has openly shared that she has, either. And let's be honest, its not just providers asking for loans, and if one does, it won't be the first time a person asks for a loan nor the last. People get loans from others all the time and never pay them back - it's not a provider trait strictly. I cannot (ok I can but that'd be silly) come on the board complaining on how guys are asking for me to ask for a smaller tip, but all I do is decline them,refer them to someone more compatible, and move on. I have not had this issue often at all, however, being that I tend to attract non hagglers...

...what I'm saying is if you're running into a slew of providers asking for loans relentlessly, what kind of ladies are you tending to select? If it's a pattern, try research and seeding through helps. Get a taste for a provider's personality OFF board. I understand why Blad's frustrated, especially if she's @ VIP rates asking for loans - that is poor financial management. But as I said, just as we have a target market to sieve out the hagglers and other distasteful clientele, a gent can too have a simple strategy to attract a certain "target" group of providers. I'm a strong believer in that one teaches others how to treat them. i.e : Am I dressing to attract a good man to marry, or am I dressing to be the temporary "bang bang".

Kisses, again, great thread.

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by Eva Damita

My new Woman Crush is officially Charlotte, heheheh ( ok I have a couple on my list, lilminx, BSB, YummyMarie...)

But yes, I've not ever asked for a loan. I don't know a provider who has openly shared that she has, either. And let's be honest, its not just providers asking for loans, and if one does, it won't be the first time a person asks for a loan nor the last. People get loans from others all the time and never pay them back - it's not a provider trait strictly. I cannot (ok I can but that'd be silly) come on the board complaining on how guys are asking for me to ask for a smaller tip, but all I do is decline them,refer them to someone more compatible, and move on. I have not had this issue often at all, however, being that I tend to attract non hagglers...

...what I'm saying is if you're running into a slew of providers asking for loans relentlessly, what kind of ladies are you tending to select? If it's a pattern, try research and seeding through helps. Get a taste for a provider's personality OFF board. I understand why Blad's frustrated, especially if she's @ VIP rates asking for loans - that is poor financial management. But as I said, just as we have a target market to sieve out the hagglers and other distasteful clientele, a gent can too have a simple strategy to attract a certain "target" group of providers. I'm a strong believer in that one teaches others how to treat them. i.e : Am I dressing to attract a good man to marry, or am I dressing to be the temporary "bang bang".

Kisses, again, great thread.

Great response, Eva. And yes, I've been crushing on Charlotte ever since I started posting here on a regular basis!

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

I think this is a really good post! A lot of girls get put off the business before they learn how to deal with these people, and it's too bad.

And to the guys, I don't think this is a "well what about us! Look at how bad we have it!" Situation either. What about the girls who ask for money? Don't give it to them. The advice is in the post above. There's no reason to try and start arguments "fixing" posts, because we are all talking about the same thing.

Actually the optimal thing to do besides not give the begging bitch a dime is alert all the other guys here in her area so they also know what to expect if they walk down the primrose path to seeing her and the results (her begging for more cash after the fact/act). And if one is stupid enough to "loan" her money then seriously. That idiot needs to be culled from the hobby.

[abeautifulsite]

Thank you for the info- Knowledge is power- Thank you

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

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Ladies, not all money is good money. You have to remember that. Just because it all spends or you may need it, doesn’t mean it’s worth it to see someone that you have a bad feeling about for one reason or another. Sometimes those reasons will be overt, as in a blind man could see it, and sometimes those reasons will be covert like your spidey senses going off. I’m not necessarily talking about some serial killer wanting to wear your skin though it does happen in the Indy World where there’s a physical risk though I’ve not known anyone that has been physically harmed. I’m talking about clients or men that contact you that are hobby lifers, hagglers, time wasters, and the worst clients that are dark knights. These dark knights can affect anything from you mood to your business. Dark knights, being the worst of the set of shitty clients, are clients that go out of their way to hassle, or worse, derail a lady’s business. Everyone knows there’s also those irritating clients that you’d really rather not see, but their money spends so you see them. But, I’m more talking about problem clients or some wanna be client. You know those ones that call you saying, “Baby, I just know I love you, but can you see me for bla-bla.” You wanna say, “NO, I can’t fucking see you for half my rate asshole.”, but you learn to just ignore those wannabes.
Fortunately, about eighty percent of them can be spotted through the introductory and screening phase. The ones that sneak through your screening process and defy your spidey senses, for whatever reason, are the worst ones. And it is important that you deal with them quickly and effectively as much as it will gall you to do so. Because those silently disappointed, post-coital fuckers that dark knight you are the most dangerous to your business.

Catching the ones not to see from the get-go is easy once you get the hang of dealing with the TCB (Taking Care of Business – the correspondence, screening, setting the appointment, etc.) side of the business. Because hobby lifers are a big catch all for many if not all but five percent of the men and categories of men not to see because they are typically hagglers, time waters and in general hanger-oners, I’ll start with them. They’ll try to tell you all kinds of bullshit ranging anywhere from “I just want to hang out with you” to “Baby, I’m going to take care of you”. But the bottom line is: they don’t want to pay and they can’t take care of you. If they could, they wouldn’t be hassling hookers and strippers for a little love, between the sheets lovin’, or whatever the fuck they get out of the game/s they play so stay away from them. Believe it or not these hobby lifer assholes trying to hustle you for whatever isn’t the main reason you want to stay away from them. The number one reason you want to stay away from them is not only do they not want to pay, but they will run their mouth about you when you cut them off. They’re great at talking you up while you are giving them what they want. When they are fat and happy with your sweet attentions, they are driving traffic to your door by flapping their big fat mouths about you. But once you decide you’re done with their bullshit, if you’re lucky, all you’ll be out is your time and and the money you spent picking up the check/s. If you’re unlucky, the dark knight comes out and they shit talk you to the Nth Degree in their private little man-dens where shitty little men talk shit about women they can never have – not that I have an opinion on this one fucking way or another ha-ha and wink-wink. The lifers will of course be off you for good, but the real danger is some potential clients will believe said lifer. And some new, good paying, potential clients may be off you for good too because of the lifer’s rumor mongering and lies. It’s not fair, but that’s the way of it nonetheless.
So best advice starting out, stay off the boards except for your ads, if you choose to run ads on local message boards, and the occasional happy fun-time post or here and there to remind the gentlemen of your presence. Avoid posting prolifically on the boards so the hobby lifers won’t have a chance to develop a repartee with you. However, Once you are established and you know the characters, post away to catch the eye of the lurkers. I personally did a bang up business from the lurkers.
Now let’s pick on the next bunch: the hagglers. They can be a bitch to gauge. If it’s a “How much for an hour?” inquiry, refer him to your website. DO NOT DISCUSS YOUR RATE WITH ANYONE WITHOUT SCREENING THEM. First off, if he’s for real, he’ll give you his screening information. If he’s just some asshole wanting a nice Indy lady for Backpage prices, he’ll blow you off before you get a chance to blow him off. I do not recommend discussing price or negotiating your hourly rate with anyone that you’ve not see at least once. Now if you want to negotiate a new rate with a client that sees you regularly, fine. There’s nothing wrong with a volume discount or grandfathering in old clients when you raise your rates.

The guy that wants to know how much for you to drive to Conroe for two hours and wants to know how much isn’t so much of a haggler but more of an astute consumer that doesn’t really want to pay you for your two hours’ drive time but knows he has to compensate you somehow. (Another option is to get a nice three star minimum hotel half way.) If you have the time and want the money, SCREEN HIM FIRST. UNDER NO CIRUCMSTANCES, DISCUSS RATES WITHOUT SCREENING HIM FIRST. It’s worth going through the trouble to screen this type of client because he’s more than likely a decent enough guy. You just need to decide whether you want the money or not. If you do, don’t tell they guy it’s a four hour minimum because you’ll loose the appointment. If there’s any doubt on his end about the fee, that is if he asks or even mentions pricing for extended engagements or long drive times, get the fee for the extenuating circumstances straight from the get go or don’t see him. As an example, if you’re two hour minimum is $800 run out there and see for a grand or whatever. But not mention anything and at the end of your appointment expect to get paid for four hour rate for a two hour appointment and your drive time. At the very least you’ll lose a potential repeat client. He could write a bad review about you. He could do an alert on you. He could start a thread on a local board about you. Or he could bird dog all your reviews and say nasty things about you.

Time wasters are just that – time wasters. I gave them two questions and if they asked a third, I politely got off the phone with them. I’m not put on the planet to have free phone sex with some asshole.

If you meet with a client that turns out to be a dark knight for whatever reason, it’s important for you to do your best to neutralize him as quickly and quietly as possible. If you know the reason the dark knight has a hard on for you, you can try to address that, head on, BEHIND THE SCENES, with him. That is do not take it to the local hobby message board with him. If he’s super hateful even after you’ve tried to address the issue with him, and if the issue is REALLY no fault of your own, try involving the local moderators to head him and any negative comments he may have off at the pass. If it is a combination of both of your faults, still appealing directly to a FEMALE FRIENDLY moderator can help. Or you can do your best to avoid the dark night or any topics that might incite the dark knight. REMEMBER, YOU WILL NEVER WIN GETTING INTO A PUBLIC MUD SLINGING CONTEST WITH ANYONE LET ALONE A HOBBIEST. Stay out of it other than to say you are very sorry that he, as your former client, feels that way and offer him a refund or whatever amends making gesture you feel meets his needs. If he’s not your client, say you are sorry he feels that way, but make it clear that you two have never met and that your TCB skills were not the cause of the problem/s at hand – AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

If you have no idea why your dark knight is dogging you around town, you can try appealing to him privately, but that really is the best you can do. Enlisting white knights to help you with a dark horse can backfire. You run the risk of the hobby lifers ganging up on your white knight and you. If that happens, stay the fuck out of it.

Link is in my sig line.

[Audrey Astor]

Originally Posted by Eva Damita

This is a great thread Olivia. And it's a great reminder for touring ladies...many gents in some areas will wait in hopes to you`d visit without any prebooks then haggle your rates on your last day in hopes that you`re desperate and will accept them. Also, in regards to the dark knights, I had an issue where I kept the two situations under-wraps and shared only with the mods. Besides there are many great guys out here who understand that P4P is a luxury, not a necessity. I don't HAVE to get my nails done, it's a luxury to be able to do so, therefore I do not haggle my cute lil Asian nail technician to lower the rate. But back to the discretion part - keeping qualms between you and the moderators (I make sure to contact at least 3 to let them be aware of the problem) and don't even bother to rebut what the Dark Knight says - as many hobbyist can spot BS reviews, rants, and accusations. Not to mention, a providers business and history speak for themselves, so I don't sweat it. The ("female friendly") mods are here to help us all, and Ladies, Elisabeth Whispers is a jewel, so feel free to pm her as well regarding issues and concerns you feel only a fellow provider can relate to. Just be sure it's serious enough, no need to create more work for the great mods on the board.

I expect more great responses OH, again, thanks for addressing just one of the many white elephants in the room, hehehe.

You always have good points Eva. It seems like that behavior is common in Texas. The point is to manage your life and business so that you never put yourself in a situation when you have to think all money is good money. It takes time to learn and develop that skill when any money seems to be easy. It's YOUR business, not theirs. Like Eva said there is a difference between needs and luxuries. Remember you teach people how to treat you.

[Bigandbad1959]

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[Mackenzie Wright]

Originally Posted by heinz5710

A woman's greatest sex organ is above her shoulders and not between her legs. Most men are paying to be with a good woman and not just a c___. Forgive my crudeness.

I could not agree more... Thank you for your refreshing breath of honesty. It is dully noted and appreciated, at least by me