Just FYI - Lillian Mae is a Thief

[DaniellaDViante]

This "provider" has ripped off most of the content on my website sometime earlier this month:

My Website - Daniella D'Viante: http://www.danielladviante.com/#!home/mainPage

Her Website - Lillian Mae: http://www.lillianlovelytouch.com/index.html

"Huh, Who Is This?"

"Lovely" Lillian Mae
touchlovelylillian@gmail.com
601-951-1778
http://www.lillianlovelytouch.com/
http://www.eccie.net/providers.php?do=view&id=159182

Recently Reviewed Here:
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...n+lovely+touch

And Here:
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...n+lovely+touch

Let's Look at Registration Database (when each website was created):

Domain Name: DANIELLADVIANTE.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/
Name Server: NS1.WIX.COM
Name Server: NS2.WIX.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 11-jul-2012
Creation Date: 11-jul-2012
Expiration Date: 11-jul-2013

Source: http://whois.net/whois/danielladviante.com

Domain Name: LILLIANLOVELYTOUCH.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS.COM CO.
Whois Server: whois.tucows.com
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net
Name Server: NS1.MDNSSERVICE.COM
Name Server: NS2.MDNSSERVICE.COM
Name Server: NS3.MDNSSERVICE.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 15-oct-2012
Creation Date: 15-oct-2012
Expiration Date: 15-oct-2013

Source: http://whois.net/whois/lillianlovelytouch.com

Now, some of my written content has changed due to me expanding my services ( I revamped my website about 1.5 weeks ago exactly), but all of her website's content is MY website's content, even her "about me", which is quite hilarious. I'd love to see her talk at length about her "love of Neurological science," if she knew the first thing about the brain she might know that to do this means she ought to get her prefrontal cortex checked!

See my ads, with the same text as her "About Me"...only, from months and months ago:

Daniella's Escort Post Ad: http://www.escortpost.com/escorts/40..._and_excited!/

Daniella's MyProvider Guide Ad: http://www.myproviderguide.com/escor...you-have-.html

(If you copy&paste the first line of each ad into Google and do a search, Google will show you which date the page originated, both dates long pre-date her very existence as a provider)

As An Extra Bonus:

Her best pictures are not her's either! See these Google Reverse Search Results:

- http://tinyurl.com/LillianMaeImage1

So, Lillian Mae also steals pictures that she thinks look like her. Um, the looks are close (in the most optimistic sense of the word "close")...but one is clearly a professional model, and one clearly is not.


For the record I created my own website, I did not purchase my website or its content from anyone else or outsource any part of its creation to any second-party.
From what I see on Lilian's site, there is no design company who created this for her that could be the apparent fault of this, it seems clear from my examination of her website and the WhoIs database that she decided to do this all on her own.
There is no excuse for this, there is no "maybe she didn't know...". The only thing she didn't know is that my vanilla job involves a lot of very advanced computer espionage work....tsk tsk, silly girl.

As you can probably tell, yes, I am livid. Why? Because I work. This is actually hard work. I build my website, I make my ads, I arrange each line of HTML with the care of someone who is dedicated to her work.

I'm upset because I wrote my entire website over, and over, and over, making sure it was perfect, making sure it gave off just the right "vibe". I ensured that is answered every question and tried not to make it too verbose. I spent weeks balancing a sense of class with a sense of relaxation, a sense of poise with a sense of playfulness. I'm upset because I worked, and she did not.

And when you look and her website, and it convinces you to set a date with her, it means that she has profited off of my work. This is theft.

Worse, it means clients, like the 3 who just emailed me today, will be very confused and wonder who is real, or are they both just scam artists? Again, my business will have been stolen from - in this situation, so will hers, but she probably does not care because she definitely does not truly work.

This is someone who was so desperate to put a website together, that they took to just stealing someone else's. Gotta love that professionalism!

I think everyone on this website has a right to know what kind of person they are dealing with, and this Eccie, is your Lovely Lillian Mae.

Enjoy.

P.S. - Congrats on your raving reviews, atleast you do SOMETHING on your own! Now if you actually develop an honest work ethic as a business professional, you might actually be successful at this - but if you think shortcuts like this will ensure long-term success, you've got another thing coming, missy.

[vicinms]

I definitely understand why you are upset and can see that you have done your homework. There is plenty to look into but I'm on the road now. I will however move this thread to the Coed forum now, because it does not fall under the Alert category (things that could endanger the safety of our members).

[DaniellaDViante]

That's fine, I understand.

[Guest080613-2]

It seems that the website for Lillian has now been deactivated, I have had some of my older pictures stolen from a lady that called herself soccer mom over in South Carolina so I know that can be a bit frustrating, but I cant imagine what it is like to have your verbage taken. Just take a breath, and things will work itself out.

[When You Are Ready]

I'm sorry for you troubles. Why can't people be themselves?

[boatpimp]

I see where you should be upset about your website contents .....the only explanation would be she is young and eager to break into the business ....But as far as the pictures are concerned , you are way off base . I just had a 90 minute season with this girl and all the pictures are dead on with exception of the two with long hair. Most of the pictures have been touched up to hide tattoos..but if you look close you can see them. After covering every inch of her fine young sexy body. This girl does provide an excellent session and I was very pleased .......

[biomed1]

So BoatPimp,

You're saying it's possible for someone from Birmingham, AL to visit or move to the Jackson, MS area?

Well...

Who'd a thunk it?

While I can understand the OP being mad/upset about her work being taken.

I do think that posting about it in the NOLA and MS portions of the board AND the Security Matters portion of the Nation portion of the board is just a bit much.

Be careful & Enjoy!

Biomed1

[Calista_Syn]

I can empathize with your rage. When we, as providers, build an entire website trying to encompass who we are just to have someone copy/paste it as their own is beyond frustrating. It's like having your identity stolen, and just like in the traditional sense, it can cost you your livelihood. Having put mine together myself, and it not being half as fancy or well formatted as yours, I can imagine how much time you put into it! Good luck babes, breath, and slow down enough to think strait!

[DaniellaDViante]

Thank you Calista_Syn

If you owned a business and someone did this to you, you would not see this as "a bit much" in the slightest. I gave her a set time (2 days!) to change her website content before going through with actual legal action, which was quite lenient of me.

Stealing ads or pics is one thing but an entire website is another issue entirely, its pretty much unheard of (and I never said ALL of her pictures were fake, just the first one)

Moreover, her website is down. She only took it down after I blasted her, not after I emailed AND called her. So, that was just the level I had to go to to see a response. I did not bring it to this level, I gave her options, she ignored them - I simply stood by my word. I posted in all relevant areas...but I can't emphasize this point enough: you get ripped off, you come back and tell me how you feel about recourse. I don't think you are even realizing just how escalated things could have gotten if I really wanted to just ruin someones entire life with RL info. Now THAT might have been overkill.

She's only "ruined" on Eccie, she's still a decent FBSM provider, just an immature person. She'll grow up, learn, move on, and probably do quite well.
And I got my response - the site is down, so this matter is closed.

[biomed1]

I gave her a set time (2 days!) to change her website content before going through with actual legal action, which was quite lenient of me.

A reasonable, restrained and intelligent response.

Moreover, her website is down. She only took it down after I blasted her, not after I emailed AND called her. So, that was just the level I had to go to to see a response. I did not bring it to this level, I gave her options, she ignored them - I simply stood by my word.

What happened to the reasonable, restrained and intelligent response mentioned above? Her noncompliance with your reasonable, restrained and intelligent response/request would result in litigation as the consequence (your word) of not complying with your request. Where in the above do you convey that you were going to "blast her"? If you "did not bring it to this level", who did?

I don't think you are even realizing just how escalated things could have gotten if I really wanted to just ruin someones entire life with RL info.

Very nice, but very thinly veiled threat, warning all of us of your immense power to "ruin someones entire life with RL info". Does this apply only to competing providers or also to the Hobbyist's of this board as well?

She's only "ruined" on Eccie

Mission Accomplished! One less provider in the MS market (on ECCIE) that you have to contend with.

At this point, we will have to agree to disagree.

Be Careful & Enjoy!

Biomed1

[guest100913]

Originally Posted by DaniellaDViante

I don't think you are even realizing just how escalated things could have gotten if I really wanted to just ruin someones entire life with RL info. Now THAT might have been overkill.

Stunning.

I'm sure you now have everyone's attention.

[MOCHAakaMOCHA]

Ohhh all I have to say is oh my. o_o ... good it's handled Daniella.

[DaniellaDViante]

BioMed, you are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm going to try to keep this as simple as possible:

1) When I was informed of what Lillian did, I sent my first email to her. In the first email I asked if someone made her website for her. I pointed out what I found and asked her to change the info within 2 days or I would FIRST post up the full story on Eccie and then if there was still no change after posting my findings on Eccie, SECOND take legal action under the DMCA statute.

1a)The First option (the one I went through with) was the nicer option. It only involves two anonymous online escort personas. No one seriously gets hurt, it all stays online.

1b)The Second option could have left her with an actual criminal record. It would get offline. Thats what I mean by escalating with real life info.

1b2)No hobbyists would have ever been involved in that (litigation that would have involved her RL info), I don't even know where you are getting that from - please stop being paranoid and just listen to what I am saying. I'm not threatening any MS hobbyists - I have no reason to!

To Clarify My Exact, Verbatim Correspondence Sent to Her 2 and a Half Days BEFORE the Posts Went Up:
I told her via email *Edit by staff, Rule #9 - No form of private communications between members are to be posted in our forums. This includes the contents of emails, PMs, IMs, private chat logs, privately shared images, etc. This is an invasion of another's privacy and will not be allowed.*

Everything I posted on here (the links, WhoIs info, etc) I emailed to her first - she knew exactly what I would be posting. *Edit by staff - rule 9* I can only use her RL info for legal recourse, I cannot post it publicly on the internet lest I put myself in a position for her to sue me, *Edit by staff*

After the Email Was Sent
I waited two days and said nothing on the boards. My email was not responded to. Her website stayed up. Based on the dates of her reviews, she was working and I'm assuming reading her emails. Just in case, I called her. She hung up on me on the phone when I called her after two days were up and introduced myself as "I'm Daniella, I emailed you about my issue with your site" - it was literally "um..(laughter)...ok (more laughing, a few short 4 letter words)...*click*" She blocked my number.

After this happened, I posted online exactly what she already knew I would. She had time and opportunity to prevent this from happening, it was her choice - she knew I was going to post up the info unless she changed her website. She didn't change her site, thus I posted the info.

Shortly after posting
My lawyer called me saying that her domain host has 48 hours to evaluate this situation before turning over the info and/or removing the website, and asked me whether or not he wanted me to put the paperwork through. Thus me saying "I'm giving her 2 days" again after this was all posted on Eccie. So even after the first "2 days" notice, she would still have another two days due to the time it takes for the webhost to even handle the request - during which she could take down her website and we could revoke the request.

At this time, I sent her a second, shorter email basically saying *Edit by staff *.

The request would have been filed this morning. Her site went offline before that, which is great - no filing needed, but this was only after:

1) One email from me almost a week ago
2) A phone call from me
3) A phone call from my friend after she blocked my number
4) Several posts on Eccie
5) A second email from me


....but, you're completely right - I should not have been so frustrated with her. I clearly was way too harsh on her. Perhaps I should have sent a candygram?


I do not understand this attitude that she is somehow not 100% responsible for everything that has become of her Eccie reputation.

...but please, go on and tell me what I could have done to make things even more accommodating for her.

Biomed, you're acting as if litigation would have been a better first option than telling the board, I'm telling you that it in fact, would not have. These postings were much less messy for both of us than going to filing charges would have been. She can make up a new escort persona and build her own website and move on with a clean slate - how on earth is this not much, MUCH better than going to court! I do not actually want her to end up required to pay me damages or anything over this - she clearly did this because she needed the money in the first place - even I feel that causing her to possibly be fined in some way when she was just trying to make cash is backwards.

Furthermore, what you are insinuating about taking out the competition is just mind-numbingly uninformed.

1) I am not, never have been, and never will be in the MS market. So any theories you have about competition are incorrect.

2) You are taking this from a view of "oh look - angry hostile provider jealous of the newbies success" You need to stop that now. There are plenty of new girls around and plenty more to come, I'm not upset with new girls, I'm upset with plagiarism.

3) You are suggesting that I'm attacking an innocent person for my own gain - um, no, a stranger stole from me for their gain. A stranger I went out of my way to be civil with, who only gave me a few mumbled curse words before an abrupt phone disconnect in return.

4) I never insulted her service, and never brought into question her actual FBSM work - I tried to word myself as clearly as possible that its her business practices and her professionalism I take issue with, I have no issue with her providing a high level of service. I'm honestly astounded that you can even read all this and think I'm actually trying to discredit her services - I applauded them!

So, let me get this straight...if I have an issue with another provider, and I go out of my way to be as clear and fair about it while still defending myself and my business, I'm still just a catty hooker trying to take out the competition?



Now that the entire play by play is posted online for all the world to see, can we put this to rest? Yes, I was very angry and wanted everyone here to know. "Things could have been worse" is not a flippant threat - its the goddamn truth. Litigation would have been way worse. Would you rather get your hobby persona involved with a mess or your real life persona? I'm sure you'd rather the one you can easily walk away from. She knew what was being posted 2 days prior and still had about two days after that. I got in contact with her every way I knew how, twice. I never threatened her clients or questioned her service. This has nothing to do with some perceived notion of competition.

This is as clear as I'm going to make myself. As I've already said, the issue is over and the desired resolution has been reached without any real legal charges being involved - shes free to move on as am I - I can't see how this is a negative outcome but you, Biomed, seem interested in stirring up accusations of competition being involved.

I've been clear, and it is OVER.
She was in the wrong at every step of this.
I tried to be in the right.
I accept that some guys really loved her as a provider and that is fine, but that does not mean she is innocent in this particular aspect and that does not mean that just because she is a good provider, that I was after anything more that recourse for her stealing my entire website.

So lets stop insinuations that anything happened here other than what did, and put this to rest.

[guest100913]

Originally Posted by DaniellaDViante

She was in the wrong at every step of this.

No one is denying this, but there is more to it than her being wrong in plagiarizing your website.

Originally Posted by DaniellaDViante

"Things could have been worse" is not a flippant threat - its the goddamn truth.

Daniella, the comment about ruining someone with RL info, even speculating about such things "out loud" on a board, is a huge red flag for hobbyists and providers. Now repeating yourself with it NOT being a "flippant threat - its the goddamn truth" makes it seem that this is a real option in your mind and will probably affect how anyone looks at you from now on.

Originally Posted by DaniellaDViante

So, let me get this straight...if I have an issue with another provider, and I go out of my way to be as clear and fair about it while still defending myself and my business, I'm still just a catty hooker trying to take out the competition?

That is not what you did. If you had simply said something like,

Hey guys, this woman (link provided) has plagiarized my entire website and I have taken measures to get my content removed from her site, but I just wanted to let everyone know that I have nothing to do with her so if you recognize my website content, please realize that she has stolen that from me.

... then no one would have thought badly about such a report. But you did much more than that. You posted extensively indicating your irritation AND YOU INCLUDED a statement about the severity of exposing her RL info, which you have repeated with even more ferocity.

IMHO, this is where it looks like you have gone way overboard.

FWIW

[AdventureAdams]

And I don't think this lady Lillian Mae is ruined, if she wants, she can just say she made a mistake that most newbies make and start to draft her own original text and get her site back up. All is not lost for Lillian Mae, hopefully this will give her an opportunity to create a more authentic persona- it looks like she is a good provider and cute as a button, so I don't think Lillian phone will stop ringing because of this.