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03-09-2022, 08:27 PM
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Fox News breaking news: Ukraine has bio-labs
https://www.reuters.com/world/eu-says-russia-reports-biolabs-ukraine-likely-disinformation-2022-03-09/
EU says Russia reports of biolabs in Ukraine likely disinformation
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-08/china-pushes-russia-conspiracy-theory-about-u-s-labs-in-ukraine
China Pushes Conspiracy Theory About U.S. Labs in Ukraine
Disinformation!!! Russian dis-information! MSM all over the country posted headline of Russian disinformation.
Yeah BUT! the Under secretary Victoria Nuland, just admitted that there are bio-labs in Ukraine.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological?s=r
Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has "Biological Research Facilities," Worried Russia May Seize Them
Self-anointed "fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeks mocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative? — but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth, definitively labelling such claims false.
Claims that Ukraine currently maintains dangerous biological weapons labs came from Russia as well as China. The Chinese Foreign Ministry this month claimed: "The US has 336 labs in 30 countries under its control, including 26 in Ukraine alone.” The Russian Foreign Ministry asserted that “Russia obtained documents proving that Ukrainian biological laboratories located near Russian borders worked on development of components of biological weapons.” Such assertions deserve the same level of skepticism as U.S. denials: namely, none of it should be believed to be true or false absent evidence. Yet U.S. fact-checkers dutifully and reflexively sided with the U.S. Government to declare such claims "disinformation” and to mock them as QAnon conspiracy theories.
Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”
Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further "proof” that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be “100% sure” that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.
But Rubio's clean-up act came too late. When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in halting speech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such "facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach” — [interruption by Sen. Rubio]:
Self-anointed "fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeks mocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative? — but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth, definitively labelling such claims false.
Claims that Ukraine currently maintains dangerous biological weapons labs came from Russia as well as China. The Chinese Foreign Ministry this month claimed: "The US has 336 labs in 30 countries under its control, including 26 in Ukraine alone.” The Russian Foreign Ministry asserted that “Russia obtained documents proving that Ukrainian biological laboratories located near Russian borders worked on development of components of biological weapons.” Such assertions deserve the same level of skepticism as U.S. denials: namely, none of it should be believed to be true or false absent evidence. Yet U.S. fact-checkers dutifully and reflexively sided with the U.S. Government to declare such claims "disinformation” and to mock them as QAnon conspiracy theories.
Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”
Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further "proof” that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be “100% sure” that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.
But Rubio's clean-up act came too late. When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in halting speech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such "facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach” — [interruption by Sen. Rubio]:
For all the dismissive language used over the last two weeks by self-described “fact-checkers,” it is confirmed that the U.S. has worked with Ukraine, as recently as last year, in the “development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partnerships; and partner capacity for enhanced bio-security, bio-safety, and bio-surveillance measures.” The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine publicly boasted of its collaborative work with Ukraine “to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern and to continue to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats.”
This joint US/Ukraine biological research is, of course, described by the State Department in the most unthreatening way possible. But that again prompts the question of why the U.S. would be so gravely concerned about benign and common research falling into Russian hands. It also seems very odd, to put it mildly, that Nuland chose to acknowledge and describe the "facilities" in response to a clear, simple question from Sen. Rubio about whether Ukraine possesses chemical and biological weapons. If these labs are merely designed to find a cure for cancer or create safety measures against pathogens, why, in Nuland's mind, would it have anything to do with a biological and chemical weapons program in Ukraine?
For all the dismissive language used over the last two weeks by self-described “fact-checkers,” it is confirmed that the U.S. has worked with Ukraine, as recently as last year, in the “development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partnerships; and partner capacity for enhanced bio-security, bio-safety, and bio-surveillance measures.” The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine publicly boasted of its collaborative work with Ukraine “to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern and to continue to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats.”
This joint US/Ukraine biological research is, of course, described by the State Department in the most unthreatening way possible. But that again prompts the question of why the U.S. would be so gravely concerned about benign and common research falling into Russian hands. It also seems very odd, to put it mildly, that Nuland chose to acknowledge and describe the "facilities" in response to a clear, simple question from Sen. Rubio about whether Ukraine possesses chemical and biological weapons. If these labs are merely designed to find a cure for cancer or create safety measures against pathogens, why, in Nuland's mind, would it have anything to do with a biological and chemical weapons program in Ukraine?
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03-09-2022, 08:52 PM
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03-09-2022, 09:44 PM
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03-09-2022, 10:47 PM
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... Where's Fauci??
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03-09-2022, 11:46 PM
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03-10-2022, 06:05 AM
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The disinformation Okey-Doke shuffle...
Aaaaand, just like that - they're gone again. Interesting observation is; now Psaki is also warning that the Ruskie might be planning to use biological weapons, though she failed to mention from where they may have procured such devices...
NOT SO FAST: Biden Gang Now Says Biological Labs That They Said Were in Ukraine Yesterday Do Not Exist
OK – so which is it? Are there biological research labs in Ukraine or not? The Biden gang admitted to the existence of biolabs on Tuesday but then changed their story on Wednesday.
Yesterday, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland admitted during testimony before a US Senate committee the existence of biological research labs in Ukraine.
But then this afternoon, less than 24 hours later, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said that reports of biolabs in Ukraine were fake news propagated by Russia.
Psaki then said that we should be ready for Russia possibly using chemical or biological weapons in Ukraine...
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03-10-2022, 06:15 AM
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Our Pro Russian are out spreading more Pro Russian disinformation!
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03-10-2022, 07:01 AM
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https://www.nationalreview.com/the-m...ming-an-issue/
From this bastion of liberal media. A biological lab is not a weapons facility. Scientists need to know how to treat disease. So biological labs are necessary.
Of course there’s more bullshit from the RT/Fox crowd.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...vYm?li=BBnb7Kz
Information from an actual journalist at Fox rather than a Putin propagandist.
Biological labs are not weapons facilities. There’s no US - Ukraine parternipship or anything else in those labs.
Putin must really love Tucker Hannity etc. They make him legitimate and give RT and Russian State Tv all the propaganda they need.
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03-10-2022, 07:18 AM
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https://www.nationalreview.com/the-m...ming-an-issue/
From this bastion of liberal media. A biological lab is not a weapons facility. Scientists need to know how to treat disease. So biological labs are necessary.
Of course there’s more bullshit from the RT/Fox crowd.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...vYm?li=BBnb7Kz
Information from an actual journalist at Fox rather than a Putin propagandist.
Biological labs are not weapons facilities. There’s no US - Ukraine parternipship or anything else in those labs.
Putin must really love Tucker Hannity etc. They make him legitimate and give RT and Russian State Tv all the propaganda they need.
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These Putin loving traitors should be made to pump gas as punishment for their pro Russian propaganda.
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03-10-2022, 08:04 AM
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They don’t know any better. Like Trump, they’d rather double down on murder and evil than admit their dickless leader was ever wrong.
Why do you think they love him so much. He makes them feel smart.
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03-10-2022, 08:08 AM
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They don’t know any better. Like Trump, they’d rather double down on murder and evil than admit their dickless leader was ever wrong.
Why do you think they love him so much. He makes them feel smart.
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“Dickless leader”? Are you referring to WTF?
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03-10-2022, 08:10 AM
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They love him because he pays attention to their conspiracy theories instead of laughing at them like we do. No different than any other cult
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03-10-2022, 08:19 AM
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Wisdom is just not your bag baby
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...A biological lab is not a weapons facility. Scientists need to know how to treat disease. So biological labs are necessary...
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A rocket scientist you are not. Munitions vehicles carry a payload. They are not manufactured at the same facility. One of those labs specializes in avian diseases, aka pathogens I'm taking it the word avian flew on by you. Try upping you game a bit.
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03-10-2022, 08:43 AM
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Why Yes . . . You get dumber by the day.
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03-10-2022, 08:45 AM
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Why Yes . . . You get dumber by the day.
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Just think, in a 100yrs he’ll catch up to you!!!!
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