“HOW do you figure out if a BP provider is legit?”

[Guest062716]

Ok, so I was asked today, “HOW do you figure out if a BP provider is legit?”

For me, researching a BP lady (or craigslist, etc.) causes me to ask several questions:

1) Is she LE?
2) Is she managed?
3) Is she Bait and Switch?
4) Is she Cash and Dash?
5) Will she actually provide FS?
6) Is there an upsell?
7) Where is the incall?
8) What surprises will be waiting?

“Is this a legitimate provider versus law enforcement?”is, IMO, the first and most important question to ask.

Is she LE? Here are the simple steps I go through: The first thing I do is to run a Google search on the provider’s phone number. (You may also want to run the phone number against escortsintexas.com).

What you are looking for (in terms of determining LE or not) is to see if the phone number has been in use in the same city for a good length of time (more than 3 months).

You are also trying to see if the number has been in use in other cities in Texas and when they were used.(Killeen LE is not going to run an ad in San Antonio, for example). Ads in other jurisdictions within the state are a good thing in terms of determining LE or not. If the number is in use in Texas and Calif and N. Dakota at the same time, this is not an LE issue, rather an indication of agency.

LE, in general, will use a LOCAL phone number. LE, in general, will not use that number for more than 30-60 days (the length of the “sting”). LE, in general, will not recycle a phone number for a sting.

Aside from the number, I look at the pics. In ads the local cities LE have run, the pics of the lady have been very PG rated. Google images is a great tool to see if pics are used elsewhere. Pics stolen from another lady’s profile is generally a good indicator of NOT LE. (It does raise other issues).

Keep in mind that LE has, on occasion, answered a provider’s phone and/or door, when the bust a lady and gents are still calling/showing up.This does not last long and it is pretty hard to prevent/detect.

Is she managed? One of the first indicators I look for is to see if the BP post has other ads placed by the same account. That in and of itself is not the indicator, but if those ads are for a bunch of different ladies, then that may indicate management.

Another indicator are pics being used in other states. Stealing pics does not necessarily mean the lady is managed, but many of the managed girls have pics in ads that are not theirs (while some managed girls DO have real pics).

I check the pics for signs of other people in the room. One recent BP post had a pic with the BF/manager sitting in the chair with a pic of the girl in his lap.

Some managers “brand” their girls. If you know what to look for, you can see these tattoos clearly visible in some of the lady’s pics.

Wording can also be a good indicator of management. Look for signs of the provider being described in the third person. I also look for ads that state that 2 or 3 other girls are also available as a sign of management .

If the Google search on the phone number turns up ads for different ladies in different cities, or even different ladies in the same city, then I consider them managed.

As to questions3-8, you are really left with researching the experiences of other gentlemen who have seen the lady in questions. ECCIE is a darn good and reliable review site. TER is generally OK and some other sites have NO credibility whatsoever. (In other parts of the country, other sites may be good as well, but I am writing this for central Texas hobbyists).

How to use Google reverse image tool. Open google.com. Click on IMAGES, this opens the Google Images web page. On a full site, you will see a camera icon in the dialogue box. Click on the camera, activating the “Search by image” function. You now have two choices. I use the “Paste Image URL” option. On your BP ad, right click on the image you want to research and select “properties”. (I like to start with the most provocative pic). In the properties dialogue box, you will see a line called, “Address: (URL)”. CTL+C (copy) this URL address and paste it into the Google image dialogue box. IMO, Google image is far superior to tineye.com.

What to post when you want help. Some people simply post “anyone know anything about Suzy?” IMO, this is unsatisfactory and will NOT get you the best response.


A post along the lines of “Anyone know anything about Suzy in College Station, or have any experience with her? Here is what I found out……"

In that post, you want to place a link to the ad, a pic of the lady and a copy of her ad text and list what research you have done and list the results.

Always trust your gut. Nobody got busted for walking away from a meeting before it happened.

Post your findings. If you find yourself on the losing end of a cash and dash, or a bait and switch, or worse yet, a police sting, then let somebody know. Make a post in coed, reviews or men’s locker room. If you are not comfortable doing that, then let one of the mods you trust know, and tell them it is ok for them to post a note as long as they don’t reference you as the source.

Always use a hobby phone. Get one that is not traced to you. You do NOT want your phone number in the log of the girl that later gets busted. The cops locally, routinely clone phones and make notes of the numbers that have called or texted a provider.

Drive through the area first. Note what kind of people and vehicles are there.Note alternate routes of entrance/exit.

Park away from the incall, if possible. To avoid getting your plates run and to avoid having your car seen at “that” place.

I hope you find this basic tutorial helpful. Of course, I use several other research tools and methods, for more detailed research, but these are the basics techniques and rules.

Feel free to comment/add/critique below.

Respectfully,
OldSarge

[Fistofdollars]

As always you are very informative.

[JakeofTx]

This should be required reading for those who still use BP or CL. Thanks for taking the time to put this together and for sharing!!!
Jake

[Swordmaster69]

Ole Sarge, Thanks for the effort and for those who troll on BP and CL....

[ffireman]

Sarge, you are the man! Thanks for always helping others. I don't think I have seen this all put into one place before.

FF

[CaptainMastPole]

can we get this stickied so it will always remain at the top for future reference.

Thanks OldSarge, always helping out.

[CaptainGus]

You got my vote!

The biggest issue I have with BP is screening. As I said in another thread, guys should want to be screened. Based on some reviews I read, I get the impression that some guys think the easier the screening process, the better. Not me. The easier the screening process, the greater the risk to me. So how does a BP provider screen me? Very few actually bother to get references and call them. Also, if I give a BP gal a couple of references without having screened her already, how do I know I haven't just given up a couple of ladies I like to LE?

BTW - what is the best way to get a "hobby phone" that is inconspicuous to your SO? Is there a thread that talks about this somewhere?

Whoops - should of done a search first before asking that. There are many threads on this topic. Here's on of the better ones: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...id+hobby+phone

[Guest062716]

Originally Posted by CaptainGus

The biggest issue I have with BP is screening. .....So how does a BP provider screen me? ...

Captain, as you said, few BP ladies bother with references from a gent.

I can only tell you what I been told (hearsay) . Many ladies have told me they try to get a good "feel" for the gent.

It starts with the first contact, therefore the first impression. Many a gent rules himself out by their initial communication. The ladies look at the word choice, whether you are demanding or more respectful in your questions, the type of questions you ask, the frequency you calls/texts. If and how you ask about pricing. If and how you ask about services.

Many will have you make a phone call at some point. There they will read your paralinquistics (tone of voice, inflection, pitch, volume, etc) as well as your actual word choices. All of these non-verbal cues are quite telling.

Is this a perfect method? Far from it. However, it is the nature of business transactions outside of membership sites. It is the risk we take in these encounters.

Respectfully,

OldSarge

[!Julia Ward!]

I've been wondering if bp is safe for ladies in the Waco and Killeen area. I don't want my phone ringing off the hook, so I wouldn't post a number. I'd probably scare the guys off by asking them for screening, but I'm not willing to go around it especially in a new town.

I would add going by the incall early to scope it out.
Also, I wouldn't think LE would pay for a 3 or 4 star hotel either.
My 2 pennies worth.

[Guest062716]

Julia, thanks for your post, and keep screening hard!

A couple of points in response to your comments above.

Originally Posted by !Julia Ward!

I would add going by the incall early to scope it out.

That is what I meant when I said "Drive through the area first. Note what kind of people and vehicles are there. Note alternate routes of entrance/exit. "

I DO NOT recommend showing up early or calling a lady early. Simply driving through the area before going in. With some ladies, it is hard to get there too much early, depending on their two-call system.

Originally Posted by !Julia Ward!

Also, I wouldn't think LE would pay for a 3 or 4 star hotel either.

Not so much an issue of not wanting to pay that price, as it is those hotels don't typically get the volume of "average johns" as the others.

3 and 4 star hotels seem "out of place" to the average guy who is responding to one of these ads.

In terms of price, the last hotels Waco used in their stings were not 3 stars, but still the average price was still over $100 a night. The cost difference between a dive and those hotels is only $50. ($50 is nothing in the budget of an operation like this. Also, keep in mind the police also get a city government contracted room rate). So, IMO, not a money issue rather an issue of what hotel seems "appropriate", irrespective of rate.

Too seedy a hotel, and too many "johns" walk. Too upscale a hotel and too many "johns" walk. Must find a hotel that is "just right".

Thanks again,

Respectfully,

OldSarge

[TemptationTammie]

I know this was meant more for the guys to know if a lady is legit on BP but could also pertain to Eccie.
Personally I don't advertise on BP.
CaptainGus, you said you prefer to be screened. (also Google Voice is a good option instead of buying hobby phone.)
I know there are times when it may seem that I don't screen very hard, however I don't give out my number until I've screened. Before I answer any PMs, I am checking out things that the guy has posted on here and checking a couple verification sites to see if his handle comes up as blacklisted. But guys don't even know that I do that unless I say something. I have rejected appts due to a guy's board presence without any other screening. With that being said it only means that you may not know you are being screened.
If they are completely new on here or have been here a while with no reviews, comments or references, I do have questions that I ask and if the guy doesn't answer those questions, I won't give my number or see them.

[neveahstarrtx]

when gentlemen call me I have them call when they hit my town as I am not in Waco or Bryan and at my home. The problem there is that I do not give out my address as I dont want them here before they are suppose to be as if they just show up they may get a dog bite. So they can not just drive through and check it out. But then again I am an ECCIE member and I am at a private location with out the problems of LE. To me I would much rather be here and not have to worry about LE coming to my door as going to a motel hotel and worry about whose on the other side.

[inmyhouse]

This is just a little habit of mine but if im ever not 100% sure, I'll right click a picture while using google chrome and click search google for this image. i know some ladies travel but if she is posted in several states or even cities at the same time i know not to bother. If she is touring you will see a pattern a week here another someplace else, not a fool proof method but does help weed out some of the BS ya know

[Saylee]

Thanks for sharing!

[Your Dezire]

Well I must say we always love Sarg for taking care of us I do post and BP and have long before I ever become a member of eccie. And Im very real lol . (Wait let me go look ) oh yea its real . Its different for every provider me personally I do my research the same no matter what site I am on. I have a couple on Long Term Clients that are members of eccie however i met them on BP. I count my blessing for not having bad issues there But Ladies and Gents It all about doing your homework. I myself am picky who I see in general However I make it clear that when it comes to my services Its simple "Class vs Trash" If they dont want screening and references or try to talk bs shut them down. Always Always follow your gut its your best reference. Be safe everyone