Economy

[Victor]

I though things were improving in the area of economy but I have found that as a general rule most providers in the HBurg area have lowered or will lower prices and it appears to be based on oversupply and less demand.........am I on target or missing the boat? Captain Blade

[Nicolet]

I think you hit the nail on the head, Captain Blade.

[Lea Madisson]

Law of supply and demand!

Doesn't mean everyone will or should lower rates... but the market does rule!

Smooch!

Lea

[Bigal103]

I just know that my personal pocketbook economy is ruling me at the present. LOL
It has me slowed way down

Big AL

[Victor]

Yes that is what I speak of ...the Market ruling price. The market seems to be flush with lots of new and part time ladies and I suppose it is to supliment the house income...good I guess for the clients but not so good for the home based providers. But supply and demand comes and goes much like the cycles of so many things....who knows what the next day brings...........Blade says it.

[Calista_Syn]

Absolutely. I think any smart provider will shift somehow when things go dead in her area. More so when we depend on this as our only source of income. Around here, seems the favorite is to go on tour. Which works like a charm, cause traveling ladies always get good biz.

I recently lowered all of my rates, but it had multiple driving forces; I don't think it's so cut and dry for established providers, because we have this whole persona to tend to. For me, I can't take off on tour, I'm starting school soon, my schedule is about to be nuts, and I've been dead for a while now. Not for lack of callers, or an influx of providers in the area, but the fact that very few new clients are prepared to follow through on screening. So, instead of trying harder to attract new clientele, that's usually just passing through and looking for a quick 1 time thrill anyway, I'm focusing on regulars. For me personally, living here and all, it just makes more sense to spend more time with people I actually know and enjoy, for a little less. Kind of like that local mom-n-pop bakery that's cheaper than walmart, and always puts a few extra cookie in your bag...So you're not too upset when they're late getting to your order, or have to close early.

Another thing I've seen lately, is a lot more guys talking about getting bored with the same ole thing. Guys going to parlors, adult theaters, or even facebook to find a more exciting, less expensive treat. Through threads and comments, it sounds like the industry as a whole is making these little shifts, (the economy taking its toll?) where the consumer is expecting more for their entertainment dollar. The providers across the board are slowly realizing it, and you're starting to see quality go up, prices go down, more time, or a combo of everything.

It's crazy how many real world business techniques and tactics are deployed by almost ever established provider out here... And it's fascinating to watch this scene evolve. There also seems to be 2 distinct and separate flows; Indi verified girls, and BP/agency. Both having their own rhythms, peaks, and valleys.

At the end of the day though, after sitting here for long periods of time, trying to figure out why my phone will blow up for absolutely no reason one week, then fall dead silent when I'm expecting it to go off, I've come to one definite and reliable conclusion.. That this industry has no reliability, reason, or steady discernible pattern. Too often providers forget that this is indeed a business, and we are all, technically, competition. We all have our reasons for switching things up, and we should never forget one vital law.. We're all, providers and gents, dealing with thee single most fleeting, irrational, and unstable emotion humans can experience; Lust.

[hotrix1]

Damn Calista, wish you would come to Mobile again and we could fill your idle time with the things you liked so much last time. LOL. I know how you like your Creme Brulee'd

[Vachon]

It's true. Like it or not. The economy is such that clients cannot always afford it. I posted in another thread that I knew a provider in Columbus, OH a few years back who was seeing clients about 3 times a day when other local girls were complaining they had not seen a client in 3 days or more. This girl was really sharp. She was very well educated with a degree in Business and Economics. She developed a sliding fee scale based on the daily NASDAQ. She considered the economy and posted new rates daily based upon the economy. Some girls are going to allow their pride to get in the way of being successful. It's true. I owned a business many years ago (in a service industry with healthy local competition), my partner and I argued about pricing on many occasions. I computed our total costs for various services down to the penny and added a fair profit margin. The charge would have been about half of what our competitors charged and he allowed his pride to get in the way refusing to sell those services for less than what he thought was an industry standard. We experimented. I decided to personally perform those services at my price for a week while he went out each day and only provided those services at his "industry standard rate". At the end of the week I cleared a healthy profit for the business and he had performed those services so infrequently that we actually lost money. Again, you cannot allow your pride to get in the way of being successful and the market NEEDS TO BE YOUR FIRST CONSIDERATION. I have seen ads run by girls traveling to the coast from several states away charging really large fees for an hour. Considering our local girls (even the few that charge higher rates than some of us can afford) were at least 30% less expensive than these girls. I suspect these girls will only get a call when a casino high roller has a really good night. Also, and this is important. There are at least 3 good Asian Massage Parlors (AMPs) on the coast that charge $200 for great hourly service. 777 Spa is KING in this regard. I have been there quite a few times and have never seen a girl that I thought was over 30. Most seem to be around 25 and all are drop dead gorgeous. Some have actually been so talented as to blow your mind. These AMPs are the local escort's competition. If a guy cannot afford the escort's rates - they will simply drive to Ocean Springs, walk-in and choose from a line-up of living dolls and walk out an hour later feeling great for $200. If a girl is going to allow her pride to get in the way of pricing herself to compete with that - she is only driving clients straight to the AMPs in this depressed local economy. And don't kid yourself - AMPs like 777 are clean, very nicely appointed. The girls are well groomed, clean and gorgeous (often Playboy Magazine class). Across the street is another AMP called Caribbean with a few young ladies who could pose for Playboy providing the same service for the same 2 bills. It's a fact. Too much pride can cause you to lose a lot of business. Pride should not be a factor, only the numbers on a calculator when you computer how much you would make in a week if you dropped your fee to a highly competitive rate and saw twice as many clients as you do now. Do the numbers - I suspect you will be surprised.

[BassCat]

Its got to suck trying to compete with the girls at the 7. I go there on average at least 5 times to every time I see and independent. I will not spend more money to see someone older and less attractive. I will however spend money on less attractive/older provider if they charge less and provide a good session. I hope the price continues to drop to the point of $.6 an hour for your run of the mill provider. I feel its more than fair for your average girl to charge and its the going rate in a lot of big hobby centers. Its not easy for me to save the extra money to hobby with and I give it a bit of thought before I spend it. I think that some here wrongly feel there is something unflattering with charging less, like it somehow makes them less desirable or trashy. I make no such distinction. I have been with some truly disgusting providers who charge $$.5 and more. On the other hand I have been with many fantastic women who charge as little as $ for a session. In the end a person will get whatever it is that the client is willing to spend weather its $ and hour or $$$$$$$$.

[Calista_Syn]

Hot, I need my damn car fixed! I can't go outside the immediate coast until it gets some work. Gotta take care of curriculums' and a new comp first though, so it may be a minute. I'd tell you to come down here, but those egg rolls and creme brule wouldn't stay crisp that long!

Vachon, thats more or less how I looked at it too. The thing is, I already get a lot of guff for changing my rates up as often as I do, so it's delicate territory. Although, your ideas are sound, and I agree with it damn near 100%. It seems that the only way to really be happy, and make the money you want, is to do what it takes to make it. Period. Be nice, and try not to step on anyone on your way to the top. I don't necessarily want 3 clients a day, I don't think I could provide good enough service like that...But, if I make it easy, and pleasant for the same group of gents to see me on a regular basis, 2-3 a week, it's perfect. I can MORE than survive on 3-400 a week. Since I'll be spending most of my free time in books, instead of spending cash keeping my family entertained, it's a lot easier to form a budget. The benifits of not having to stress the hell out when a caller won't even give me a real name is worth it alone.

Those damn parlors man... I know, I've been listening. Mid 20s to early 30s sweet, neat, reliable, and cheap.. Thats why I felt simply lowering rates wasn't enough around here. To keep the attentions of local boys, you gotta be a better ride, and sweeter deal than whats easily, and readily available. Especially when you just walk in to a parlor, and I have you jumping on one foot and patting your belly. So, to counter the trouble it takes to see me, I have exceptional offers. I concur entirely with the market being key.

This is why it gets under my skin when people say this is an easy job.. It's not. My actual performance, when I'm face to face, yeah, thats a cake walk. Who doesn't like to be the center of attention, pleasured, and paid after all.. But the thought and work it takes to provide a service that is going to survive the highs, lows, dangers, and pitfalls of THIS industry are insane. At least with other product sales, there are reliable trends and numbers you can study to try and pick up intel.. Here, you've got countless unidentifiable variables and nothing is what is seems, cause everyone is playing coy.

The traveling girl thing, believe it or not, and this is from experience, is probably the most reliable bet for making quick cash. Because it doesn't matter that the girl from Texas is @ 300, when she's 2 back home.. She's only passing through, so this is your only shot, and more than enough guy into it and pay for it. Girls like Dallas and Lea, who stay at the same rates home town or travel don't seem to be the norm. Hell, even I'm guilty of it. I know that if I go out 100 miles in any direction, I can charge more, and I'll have choices in who I see.. I'm learning though, that if I'm going to be traveling to those same places over and over, it's worth more to be reasonably priced, and knock their socks off. Then, you gain a fan base in your travel spots instead of just the traveling girl allure. Then, I can bank on seeing so and so next visit cause I left such a good taste in his mouth. Basic supply/demand turns into a completely different monster when you're supplying such a subjective product.

[Vachon]

Calista,

Well, don't get me wrong - I'm not complaining about the parlors. And frankly there are only 2 on the coast that I would spend ANY of my money in at all regardless of the amount. 777 Spa is a wonderful anomaly. $200 for someone who could literally pose in magazines is a very odd and truly fortunate thing as other places who have older and far less attractive girls are charging the exact same thing. I see what you are saying about being happy with $400 clients 3 times a week. If you are getting plenty of customers with that - you have found your perfect rate. if things ever get slow and you have a week when you could meet someone once a day during the week or even every other day - I would suggest going down to $250 an hour for a week just as an experiment and running that rate online at least once a day during that week. I suspect it will work. I do not completely agree about the traveling girl price the out of town girls charge when they visit. Sure, it will be a guy's only opportunity to see them but 1.) Guys are afraid of the same things you girls are. An unfamiliar face is suspect for a while whereas a familiar face is someone we trust from experience. 2.) Men are very conscious of what we spend. As long as #1 checks out - we might spend an additional $50 an hour for someone different, but when the price doubles we will likely go for someone we know at a price we are already comfortable with. That leads us back to the 777 Spa. You get the best of both worlds there. You get the familiar and affordable price that never changes but if you wait 30 days almost all the faces change. They are not local girls. Most people do not realize how intricate that Korean network is. It stretches coast to coast. These girls come from LA, New York and all points in between. They travel to work in the massage parlors and a few nude bars all over the country. So if you wait 30 days you get to see new girls for the same price. The only face that remains the same is the mamasan at the door who remembers your from last time.

But again, if you are seeing 3 guys a week at your current price and that is your goal - you have found your "sweet spot" price wise.

[Calista_Syn]

Vachon, you misunderstood my post, I meant seeing 3-4 clients for about $400/week. Hell if I was getting $400 a client I'd be rolling in it! lol I'm agreeing with you that a lower rate is an advantage to the provider and gets the gents interested. I'm already lower than 250, those are the changes I was talking about. I get it, till why I reacted