In a world where you can’t rig or steal an election WTF

[oilfieldace]

is Hildabeast and the rest of those America hating sons a bitches talking about??

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Depending on what side of the bed you get up this morning, we either have the cleanest elections in the world or they are being wholesale stolen by someone. This is according to the democrats. I guess it depends on if they win or lose. Now, the GOP doesn't make an outlandish claim about election perfection. We know that things happen in elections and we see democrats all the time trying to get away with things. It's kind of a character judging contest, we see something wrong and we call it out even if it is our guys doing it. One thing you can count on though, a democrat will never call out themselves for any reason. You can have the most corrupt, sleazy person in the land and if they're a democrat...they circle the wagons and prepare to fight.

[farmstud60]

The other interesting thing is that the post office doesn't want people to put letters in the blue mailboxes after pickup time because of greater chances of mail being stolen and ID thefts occurring.

[WTF]

Some of you poor poor souls on the right seem not to understand how national elections work.

[HedonistForever]

Just got a little harder to cheat in Penn.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/u...n-ballots.html


Pennsylvania Supreme Court Says Mail-In Ballots Without Dates Should Not Be Counted

Republicans had sued to stop election officials from counting noncompliant ballots, which could again become a crucial point of contention in the battleground state.


The Pennsylvania Supreme Court on Tuesday ordered election officials in the battleground state to refrain from counting mail-in ballots that lack a written date on their outer envelope, siding with Republicans in a matter that could have national implications on Nov. 8.

The Republican National Committee and several other party-aligned groups filed a lawsuit in October to stop undated ballots from being counted, citing a state law that requires voters to write the date on the return envelope when sending them in.

In a two-page ruling issued a week before Election Day, the court said that noncompliant ballots should be set aside. It was the latest wrinkle in a protracted legal fight over undated ballots in Pennsylvania, where voters are set to decide pivotal contests for governor and the U.S. Senate.


But the six justices were split about whether their rejection violated the voting protections of the federal Civil Rights Act. Three Democrats on the elected court said that it did violate federal law, while a fourth Democrat, Kevin M. Dougherty, joined the court’s two Republicans in saying that it did not.

The court’s ruling directly conflicted with guidance issued in September by Leigh M. Chapman, a Democrat who is the acting secretary of the commonwealth and said ballots without a date on them should be counted as long as they are returned on time.

It was not immediately clear whether state election officials could pursue an appeal.


“We are reviewing, but the order underscores the importance of the state’s consistent guidance that voters should carefully follow all instructions on their mail ballot and double-check before returning it,” Amy Gulli, a spokeswoman for Ms. Chapman, said in an email on Tuesday night.


Voters who are concerned that they might have made an error on ballots before returning them should contact their county election board or the Pennsylvania Department of State, Ms. Gulli said.
Pennsylvania is where two of the most closely watched elections in the country will be decided next week. In the governor’s race, Josh Shapiro, the state’s Democratic attorney general, faces state Senator Doug Mastriano, the right-wing, election-denying Republican nominee. And control of the U.S. Senate could hinge on the outcome of the contest between the celebrity physician Dr. Mehmet Oz, a Republican, and Lt. Gov. John Fetterman, a Democrat.

“Republicans went to court, and now Democrats and all counties have to follow the law,” she said. “This is a milestone in Republicans’ ongoing efforts to make it easier to vote and harder to cheat in Pennsylvania and nationwide.”
Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the state Republican Party, said the decision was a “tremendous win for election integrity.”
The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania lamented the ruling on Tuesday night on Twitter.
“We’re disappointed,” the group said. “No one should be disenfranchised for an irrelevant technicality. Voters, sign and date your return envelope.”
The Democratic National Committee and the state Democratic Party, which were not named as respondents in the lawsuit, did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Tuesday night.
Neither did the campaigns of Mr. Fetterman and Dr. Oz.

The issue of undated ballots was a major point of contention in Dr. Oz’s primary in May, which was decided by less than 1,000 votes and triggered an automatic recount.
Dr. Oz had opposed the counting of about 850 undated ballots that were cast in that race. His opponent, David McCormick, sued to include the ballots, calling the date requirement irrelevant. He later conceded the race.

And last year, a Republican candidate who lost a judicial race in Lehigh County sued to stop undated ballots from being counted in that contest, a case that escalated all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
In May, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in Philadelphia ruled against that candidate, David Ritter. The Supreme Court said in June that election officials in Pennsylvania may count mailed ballots that were received by the cutoff date but not dated. But in early October, the Supreme Court vacated the appeals court ruling.
Mail-in ballots must be received by county election boards by 8 p.m. on Election Day, otherwise they won’t be counted.


If the good people of Penn. don't like the law about dating your ballot CHANGE THE DAMN LAW!

[ICU 812]

Ever since Bush v Gore, I have been embarrassed about how American elections have been conducted.

America should be the shining example of how a fair election is run, free from uncertainty about valid voters or the validity of the process itself.

For the life of me, I cannot understand the resistance to requiring Voter ID when registering or voting. Nor can I understand the resistance to purging voter registration rolls of those who have died or moved to another jurisdiction.

And yes, there must be some provision for absentee voting but: This business of having to count thousands of early ballots weeks after election "day" is cumbersome and adds to the uncertainty of a valid election. Lets curtail that as much as possible.


Why not declare a national holiday, and make Voting "Day" a continuous 48hour period over a weekend? It would take a Constitutional amendment but should be an easy one to mske happen.

[Jacuzzme]

For the life of me, I cannot understand the resistance to requiring Voter ID when registering or voting. Nor can I understand the resistance to purging voter registration rolls of those who have died or moved to another jurisdiction.

I can.

[ICU 812]

So then, In Pennsylvania just fill in the blanks and enter the date.

In my younger days, back in the 1970s and '80s, one had to actually go in
to a companie's office and manually fill out a paper application form to be considered for a job. I did this as recently as 1991 in fact. More than once, I encountered an application form that had a small notice a tithe top of he form that instructed the applicant to only use a black ball point pen!

Seems a bit chicken-$h!+, but that is life. So for something as important as filling out a mail-in ballot, follow the instructions and enter the date.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

So then, In Pennsylvania just fill in the blanks and enter the date.

In my younger days, back in the 1970s and '80s, one had to actually go in
to a companie's office and manually fill out a paper application form to be considered for a job. I did this as recently as 1991 in fact. More than once, I encountered an application form that had a small notice a tithe top of he form that instructed the applicant to only use a black ball point pen!

Seems a bit chicken-$h!+, but that is life. So for something as important as filling out a mail-in ballot, follow the instructions and enter the date.

The rules, such as they are, must be followed or all hell breaks lose just like it did in the last election. You had state officials saying that the whole "date thing" wasn't "worth considering" and that's how break downs in law and elections happens.



So, how many votes were counted in 2020, that should not have been and how many other "un-worthy of consideration", even though violating the law, happened in the other crucial states?

[WTF]

https://whyy.org/articles/why-are-un...-pennsylvania/

[Jacuzzme]

The takeaway here is that both democrats and republicans believe that if someone is too stupid to follow simple instructions, they’re most likely to be voting for the democrat. If this wasn’t the case both sides wouldn’t be paying a zillion dollars in legal fees to litigate accepting/negating the ballot. Poor dems, it seems to be generally accepted that they’re dumb asf.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Times magazine admits election skullduggery and possible fraud.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

New York Times is concerned about absentee and mail-in ballot fraud.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/u...elections.html

Pennsylvania Supreme Court finds that accepting ballots after election day (as in 2020) or accepting ballots without a date (also as in 2020) is unconstitutional, fattening, and wrong.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-AA13GDHd

2020 Wisconsin investigator admits to destroying records during his investigation.
https://news.yahoo.com/wisconsin-ele...173352694.html

Wisconsin Supreme Court rules that widespread ballot drop boxes is wrong and can lead to fraud and vote harvesting.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/polit...urt/index.html

Arizona Supreme court keeps election records secret from public.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ar...-audit-lawsuit

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Times magazine admits election skullduggery and possible fraud.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

New York Times is concerned about absentee and mail-in ballot fraud.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/u...elections.html

Pennsylvania Supreme Court finds that accepting ballots after election day (as in 2020) or accepting ballots without a date (also as in 2020) is unconstitutional, fattening, and wrong.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-AA13GDHd

2020 Wisconsin investigator admits to destroying records during his investigation.
https://news.yahoo.com/wisconsin-ele...173352694.html

Wisconsin Supreme Court rules that widespread ballot drop boxes is wrong and can lead to fraud and vote harvesting.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/polit...urt/index.html

Arizona Supreme court keeps election records secret from public.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ar...-audit-lawsuit

ANd yet no proof that a single fraudulent vote was cast in the 2020 election.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

ANd yet no proof that a single fraudulent vote was cast in the 2020 election.

The opinion most heard is that "there were not a sufficient number of fraudulent votes to overturn the election" not that there weren't examples of fraudulent votes.. There were many examples with Penn. being at the top of the list.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...ction-to-trump


AP review finds far too little vote fraud to tip 2020 election to Trump



An Associated Press review of every potential case of voter fraud in the six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump has found fewer than 475 I think that counts as "more than a single instance"— a number that would have made no difference in the 2020 presidential election.

[Redhot1960]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

ANd yet no proof that a single fraudulent vote was cast in the 2020 election.

I can take my tin foil hat off at any time. Others are hopless...