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10-31-2024, 11:28 PM
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... All just a coincidence - no worrys. ...
Just like 2020. ... "NO voter fraud" ...
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11-01-2024, 03:06 AM
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Preying on the stupid and uninformed. Voting machines are just ballot printers and they only run the vote selection interface, not internet connected.
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11-01-2024, 05:02 AM
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I’d like to defend this but I just can’t. This is a fu**up all right and an investigation into their digital security needs to take place.
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11-01-2024, 06:42 AM
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"Rick, I am shocked, shocked to find there is gambling going on in that room!"
In politics at this level, there are no accidents or coincidents.
By all mesons, let's have another investigation by the Biden DOJ.
And no, there is no voter fraud.
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11-01-2024, 12:12 PM
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"Rick, I am shocked, shocked to find there is gambling going on in that room!"
In politics at this level, there are no accidents or coincidents.
By all mesons, let's have another investigation by the Biden DOJ.
And no, there is no voter fraud.
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With 50 states and thousands of county clerks and even more election offices across the United States of course there are mistakes and errors that occur.
Accidents and coincidences happen all the time. The difference between the US is that we have robust systems to validate and verify our elections.
The DOJ should not be involved in this investigation. I think the state of Colorado is more than capable of making sure that their systems are working properly and safely.
Of course there is fraud and attempted fraud. But at such a minimal level as to be inconsequential in a federal election.
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11-01-2024, 02:38 PM
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The accidental discharge of a firearm may result in the inadvertent death of an innocent bystander.
Nevertheless, the person responsible for the accidental discharge will be arreted and charged with involuntary manslaughter. If an investigation reveals that there is some reason why the deceased was held in disfavor by the perpetrator, that charge may become more serious.
again: In politics there are no coincidences or accidents. For example, President Biden is now embarrassing VP Harris intentionally becsuse he feels that he has been ill used.
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11-01-2024, 05:04 PM
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Of course there is fraud and attempted fraud. But at such a minimal level as to be inconsequential in a federal election.
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... So the sensitive passwords posted online are WHAT?
Inconsequential in a Federal election??
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11-01-2024, 05:50 PM
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So, the liberal position on this is that there should be no accountability or consequences for ineptitude?
Early in my adult life, I worked as a climber for a tree service. If I had accidently dropped a tree on someone's house there would have been seversal kinds of hell to pay.
Somewhat later on, I worked offshore in the oil industry. My job eas to manage the characteristic of the drilling mud. If I let the drilling fluid become too light, there could have been a blowout resulting in loss of life and millions of dollars . . .and an environment disaster. Remember the Deepwater Horizon disaster in the Gulf?
Still later on, I finally developed the knowledge, skills and credentials to work at an inside job. I did cardiac treadmill stress testing with isotopes in a major hospital. If I did not perform my duties correctly, there were multiple ways I could have advert sly affected the health of a patient . . I would have lost my job, lost mu licensing and faced malpractice lawsuits. Again with the accountability and consequences.
The integrity of our voting process is not s direct matter of life and death for any individual. No, but it is the underpinning or our Nation. If people come to believe that their vote may be stolen, discarded or just not counted, we will die as a free society and Nation.
Anyone who inadvertently or intentionally fucks up our election process on a statewide scale should be held to account and face some undesirable outcome.
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11-01-2024, 06:00 PM
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Why are people commenting on this when they have no idea what happened beyond the headline? Seriously!?!? People who take this approach to being informed sure as hell shouldn’t be voting.
There’s a whole detailed explanation of the redundancies built into the system that have kept the process safe even after the major f*up of posting passwords.
Get a clue of what you’re talking about.
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11-01-2024, 09:48 PM
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So the controlling principle is "no harm, no foul"?
I rtired from working at a major VA hospital. We had to change our personal password every six weeks or so. One of my co-workers was hit with a repramand for leaving his computer workstation unsecured when he was called to the phone on an urgent matter. The penalties for leaving patient information was harsher, whether or not any patient's info was leaked.
That nothing bad happened does ot ameliorate the lack of security from inadvertently publishing passwords.
This attitude towards accountability is wat got Alec Baldwin off of any charge when that cinematographer was killed. Even though he held the gun, the responsibility was somehow shuffled off on someone else in despite every clss in gun safety that I have ever been to be saying otherwise.
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11-01-2024, 10:10 PM
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Of course the secretary of state, a democrat, says it was a mistake and the machines are not compromised.
She lies the same way the White House press secretary whatever her name is lies everytime she opens her mouth.
again the world accidentally, do these Democrats all have the same damage control manual they read from?
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In politics there are no coincidences or accidents. For example, President Biden is now embarrassing VP Harris intentionally becsuse he feels that he has been ill used.
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ICU 812, please tell me the point you are trying to make.
The OP seems to be saying that this was on purpose, not an accident. Which is nothing but paranoid conspiracy thinking.
You seem to be saying that there should be some kind of accountability involved as well as saying it’s not an accident. More paranoid conspiracy thinking.
I’ve seen plenty of security mistakes happen that were way worse than this. At least here this security break is only one part of a layered defense. Change the passwords and fire the person responsible.
What more do you want?
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11-02-2024, 05:42 AM
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If, at this point in the thread, you still do not undertand the point, then I cannot explain it to you. Perhaps Saltyh can.
In any case, I do not contribute to this forum with the hope of converting t diehard progressive liberal Democrats. I lost my thoughts here in the hope of reaching any committed lurkers who may be open to a different point of view than they are exposed to through the legacy leftist news outlets.
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11-02-2024, 06:14 AM
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ICU 812, please tell me the point you are trying to make.
The OP seems to be saying that this was on purpose, not an accident. Which is nothing but paranoid conspiracy thinking.
You seem to be saying that there should be some kind of accountability involved as well as saying it’s not an accident. More paranoid conspiracy thinking.
I’ve seen plenty of security mistakes happen that were way worse than this. At least here this security break is only one part of a layered defense. Change the passwords and fire the person responsible.
What more do you want?
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The two assassination attempts on former President Trump, while not planned and executed (probably) by any group we recognize as a threat, the conditions that allowed them to happen fall squarely within the responsibility of the Secrt Service. The lack of progress in the follow-up investigations falls directly within the responsibility of the FBI. Both agencies should be held accountable.
Both government agencies are falling egregiously short and should, face serious scrutiny and remedial reconstruction. There is an old poem that links the lack of a nail in a horse's show with the loss of a battle and consequently the whole kingdom (it is an old poem). The point is (and to return to the topic) that seemingly small security lapses can eventually cascade with catastrophic consequences. The password fuckup in Colorado may seem small, but if not corrected, these things sdd up.
I, for one, do think there is some intentionality involved in both the election "mistakes" and the ineptitude of the nation's security forces. While they are not linked, they are all fumbles in the same direction.
This stuff seems to be all going in the same direction. I do not believe in mere coincidence when it comes to political skullduggery. Many on this b oard and forum may be too young to remember it, but I lived through and watched (live) the Erving Committee hearings on Watergate in the 1970s. The current environment is worse.
Earlier in my life, I experienced the horror of the Kennedy assignation followed by the murder of Oswald on live TV. Oswald and the latest would be assents have similarities in their weird or out of touch personal life. Is that just coincidence?
Whoever fucked up in Colorado should face some sort of consiquence . . .if it is only a loss of position and a reprimand in their file. . . or some equivalent.
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11-02-2024, 01:32 PM
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The two assassination attempts on former President Trump, while not planned and executed (probably) by any group we recognize as a threat, the conditions that allowed them to happen fall squarely within the responsibility of the Secrt Service. The lack of progress in the follow-up investigations falls directly within the responsibility of the FBI. Both agencies should be held accountable.
Both government agencies are falling egregiously short and should, face serious scrutiny and remedial reconstruction. There is an old poem that links the lack of a nail in a horse's show with the loss of a battle and consequently the whole kingdom (it is an old poem). The point is (and to return to the topic) that seemingly small security lapses can eventually cascade with catastrophic consequences. The password fuckup in Colorado may seem small, but if not corrected, these things sdd up.
I, for one, do think there is some intentionality involved in both the election "mistakes" and the ineptitude of the nation's security forces. While they are not linked, they are all fumbles in the same direction.
This stuff seems to be all going in the same direction. I do not believe in mere coincidence when it comes to political skullduggery. Many on this b oard and forum may be too young to remember it, but I lived through and watched (live) the Erving Committee hearings on Watergate in the 1970s. The current environment is worse.
Earlier in my life, I experienced the horror of the Kennedy assignation followed by the murder of Oswald on live TV. Oswald and the latest would be assents have similarities in their weird or out of touch personal life. Is that just coincidence?
Whoever fucked up in Colorado should face some sort of consiquence . . .if it is only a loss of position and a reprimand in their file. . . or some equivalent.
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Well written. I understand your position much better.
I also think that there should be some accountability for the egregious lack of digital security shown here. And as I said earlier I welcome an audit of the security procedures used and a demotion or outright termination of the personnel involved.
However the idea that any intentionality exists is, in my opinion, ludicrous.
Here is some more information on the incident. If accurate it shows how the incident occurred.
CPR News has learned from a source familiar with the investigation that the spreadsheet was created by someone who has since left the office, and posted by an employee who was unaware of the hidden tab..
https://www.cpr.org/2024/10/31/trump...vealed-online/
Someone created a hidden tab in a spreadsheet and filled it with passwords. This presumably was because the spreadsheet creator was too lazy to follow the correct security protocols and figured it would never be found. A comedy of errors but likely not intentional.
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