Not Our Father's Party

[ICU 812]

Not Our Father's Party


The Democratic party of today is not the party of our Fathers. The Democratic Party of 2024 is different from what we remember from the past . . .even the recent past.

If a person is a life-long Democrat, a committed liberal, a passionate libertarian or a centrist-independent; a re-examination of what the Democratic party has demonstrated itself to stand for today is in order. They should then determine if that is what they, themselves, stand for.

It is not the party of Franklin Roosevelt, nor is the party of Harry Truman. It is not the party of John F. Kennedy or Lyndon Johnson. It is not the party of George McGovern or Hubert Humphrey. It is not the party of Jimmy Carter. None of these leaders would support or endorse the Democratic Party of today.

It is not the party that sought to remake America through programs such as The New Deal, The Great Society or The War on Poverty'. It is not the party that said, " . . .ask not what your country can do for you . . ."

This is not the party of Barbara Jordan or Caesar Chavez, both of whom opposed uncontrolled immigration. The Democratic Party in 2024 is not the party of Viola Liuzzo or Medger Evers, both remembered as murdered martyrs in the cause of Civil Rights... It is no longer the party of John L. Lewis who led civil rights protesters over the bridge at Selma. Nor is it the party of Ralph Abernathy, Andrew Young and Jessie Jackson, all of whom knelt over the bleeding body of Martin Luther King as he lay dying of an assassin's bullet.

This is not the party that demanded that all of the protections and freedoms of the Bill of Rights be applied for all persons regardless of their point of view or the color of their skin . . . and then amended The Constitution to ensure that universal application of those rights occurred.

In this, the third decade of the 21st Century, the Democratic Party has moved away from its' liberal roots of the late 20th Century, to become the party of avowed socialists such as Bill de Blasio, Alexa Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders,. The Democratic party of 2024 has endorsed and given massive financial support to groups such as Back Lives Matter and Antifa; organizations whose announced intention and demonstrated goal is to dismantle our society through violence if necessary.

The Democratic party of today has turned its back on its 20th Century liberal ideals and has instead embraced the radical legacy of Saul Alinsky, Angela Davis, Stokley Carmichael, H. and Rap Brown along with Bobby Seal and Abby Hoffman. This is no longer the party of Head Start or The Peace Corps. It has, rather, turned to the examples of the Weather Underground.

In this current election cycle, the Democratic Party has enmeshed itself in a cabal with mega doners, mega business and big media to eviscerate the First Amendment and actively suppress opposing views through aggressive censorship. The Party today has undercut the democratic process itself by avoiding a priory vote and appointing the Harris-Walz ticket. In doing so, have abandoned a foundational concept of democracy.
This is back-room politics in the worse sense of the phrase.

And so, I say again: If a person is a life-long Democrat, a committed liberal, a passionate libertarian or a centrist-independent; a re-examination of what the Democratic party has demonstrated itself to stand for today is in order. They should then determine if that is what they, themselves, stand for today.

[txdot-guy]

You are right that this isn’t the same democrat party I grew up with but neither is the republican party the same either. I’m not sure if this is an exhortation to change your affiliation to republican or an honest appeal to reform the democratic party from within. I suppose either could apply depending on whether you consider yourself a republican or democrat.

The post is too well written to just be a fluff piece. Can you expand on the argument you are trying to make? How exactly should one attempt to remake the Democratic party?

Maybe this is a good place to start.
https://www.commongood.org/

[1blackman1]

He’s not a democrat and didn’t write that diatribe. He has spent the majority of his posts on this site complaining about the democrats. Maybe it’d be more appropriate were he to post something about his own people rather than complaining about a party he is not affiliated with.

[Yssup Rider]

It's a well-written puff piece, but not compelling at all.

Ironically, the RWW bitches about the Democratic party using numerous time frames. He didn't mention that this is no longer the Democratic party of the Civil War. His cut and paste claims the Democratic Party is not the same party that sought to reform America through the New Deal, yet he and his ilk constantly attack modern Democrat-promoted social reform programs as "socialism," "Marxism" and "communism."

Perhaps the diatribe is better characterized as hypocrisy from Trumpists.

I won't change my affiliation until I see it on X!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

He’s not a democrat and didn’t write that diatribe. He has spent the majority of his posts on this site complaining about the democrats. Maybe it’d be more appropriate were he to post something about his own people rather than complaining about a party he is not affiliated with.

he didn't this guy did


Ronald Radosh

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

It's a well-written puff piece, but not compelling at all.

Ironically, the RWW bitches about the Democratic party using numerous time frames. He didn't mention that this is no longer the Democratic party of the Civil War. His cut and paste claims the Democratic Party is not the same party that sought to reform America through the New Deal, yet he and his ilk constantly attack modern Democrat-promoted social reform programs as "socialism," "Marxism" and "communism."

Perhaps the diatribe is better characterized as hypocrisy from Trumpists.

I won't change my affiliation until I see it on X!

at least you acknowledge it is well written. you just don't agree with it


Not Your Father's Democratic Party


https://www.hudson.org/domestic-poli...mocratic-party

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

he didn't this guy did


Ronald Radosh





at least you acknowledge it is well written. you just don't agree with it


Not Your Father's Democratic Party


https://www.hudson.org/domestic-poli...mocratic-party

Compared to many, if not most, of the MAGA "writers" both foreign and domestic, that was well-written drivel. Spelling, grammar, syntax. Ticks all the boxes. Bear in mind this is a very low bar I'm using.

I disagree with it, but the very lack of references to MAGA GOP rhetoric is kinda weird and seems out of step with today's, ahem, marching orders.

They must really be Roosians...




LOL!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Compared to many, if not most, of the MAGA "writers" both foreign and domestic, that was well-written drivel. Spelling, grammar, syntax. Ticks all the boxes. Bear in mind this is a very low bar I'm using.

I disagree with it, but the very lack of references to MAGA GOP rhetoric is kinda weird and seems out of step with today's, ahem, marching orders.

They must really be Roosians...




LOL!

why exactly does the author need to refer to MAGA or be MAGA to criticize the Democratic party today ..


except for the "fact" that ..


you say so?

[ICU 812]

I wrote the OP. The thoughts and words are mine. I used the phrase, "our fathers" because my parents were Kennedy and johnson Democrats.

Has the Republican Party changed too? Well yes it has. The Republican party has largly become genuinely conservative. The days when they would nominate country club Republicans and career politicians such as John Mc
Cain, Mit Romney or Bob Doll are over.

I do not write to convert the progressive faithful. I do write, in emulation of Bill Mahar, to speak to those who can see the differences between what the Democrat Party stands for today and their traditional liberal roots.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Not Our Father's Party


The Democratic party of today is not the party of our Fathers. The Democratic Party of 2024 is different from what we remember from the past . . .even the recent past.

If a person is a life-long Democrat, a committed liberal, a passionate libertarian or a centrist-independent; a re-examination of what the Democratic party has demonstrated itself to stand for today is in order. They should then determine if that is what they, themselves, stand for.

It is not the party of Franklin Roosevelt, nor is the party of Harry Truman. It is not the party of John F. Kennedy or Lyndon Johnson. It is not the party of George McGovern or Hubert Humphrey. It is not the party of Jimmy Carter. None of these leaders would support or endorse the Democratic Party of today.

It is not the party that sought to remake America through programs such as The New Deal, The Great Society or The War on Poverty'. It is not the party that said, " . . .ask not what your country can do for you . . ."

This is not the party of Barbara Jordan or Caesar Chavez, both of whom opposed uncontrolled immigration. The Democratic Party in 2024 is not the party of Viola Liuzzo or Medger Evers, both remembered as murdered martyrs in the cause of Civil Rights... It is no longer the party of John L. Lewis who led civil rights protesters over the bridge at Selma. Nor is it the party of Ralph Abernathy, Andrew Young and Jessie Jackson, all of whom knelt over the bleeding body of Martin Luther King as he lay dying of an assassin's bullet.

This is not the party that demanded that all of the protections and freedoms of the Bill of Rights be applied for all persons regardless of their point of view or the color of their skin . . . and then amended The Constitution to ensure that universal application of those rights occurred.

In this, the third decade of the 21st Century, the Democratic Party has moved away from its' liberal roots of the late 20th Century, to become the party of avowed socialists such as Bill de Blasio, Alexa Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders,. The Democratic party of 2024 has endorsed and given massive financial support to groups such as Back Lives Matter and Antifa; organizations whose announced intention and demonstrated goal is to dismantle our society through violence if necessary.

The Democratic party of today has turned its back on its 20th Century liberal ideals and has instead embraced the radical legacy of Saul Alinsky, Angela Davis, Stokley Carmichael, H. and Rap Brown along with Bobby Seal and Abby Hoffman. This is no longer the party of Head Start or The Peace Corps. It has, rather, turned to the examples of the Weather Underground.

In this current election cycle, the Democratic Party has enmeshed itself in a cabal with mega doners, mega business and big media to eviscerate the First Amendment and actively suppress opposing views through aggressive censorship. The Party today has undercut the democratic process itself by avoiding a priory vote and appointing the Harris-Walz ticket. In doing so, have abandoned a foundational concept of democracy.
This is back-room politics in the worse sense of the phrase.

And so, I say again: If a person is a life-long Democrat, a committed liberal, a passionate libertarian or a centrist-independent; a re-examination of what the Democratic party has demonstrated itself to stand for today is in order. They should then determine if that is what they, themselves, stand for today.

... Hear, Hear! ... A great piece there, mate.
Surely bears repeating.

#### Salty

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

I wrote the OP. The thoughts and words are mine. I used the phrase, "our fathers" because my parents were Kennedy and johnson Democrats.

Has the Republican Party changed too? Well yes it has. The Republican party has largely become genuinely conservative. The days when they would nominate country club Republicans and career politicians such as John McCain, Mitt Romney or Bob Dole are over.

I do not write to convert the progressive faithful. I do write, in emulation of Bill Maher, to speak to those who can see the differences between what the Democrat Party stands for today and their traditional liberal roots.

What I find truly inexplicable is how democrats are so obsessed with how the GOP has changed under trump... but they act totally oblivious to the far-left lurch of their own party.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

You are right that this isn’t the same democrat party I grew up with but neither is the republican party the same either. I’m not sure if this is an exhortation to change your affiliation to republican or an honest appeal to reform the democratic party from within. I suppose either could apply depending on whether you consider yourself a republican or democrat.

The post is too well written to just be a fluff piece. Can you expand on the argument you are trying to make? How exactly should one attempt to remake the Democratic party?

Maybe this is a good place to start.
https://www.commongood.org/

Thanks for validating my central premis. Dunno how exactly to bring the prty back to its liberal roots. Bill Mahar has some strong feelings about this too, and he is a better communicator tan I am.

[IAmReallyIronman]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Not Our Father's Party


The Democratic party of today is not the party of our Fathers. The Democratic Party of 2024 is different from what we remember from the past . . .even the recent past.

If a person is a life-long Democrat, a committed liberal, a passionate libertarian or a centrist-independent; a re-examination of what the Democratic party has demonstrated itself to stand for today is in order. They should then determine if that is what they, themselves, stand for.

It is not the party of Franklin Roosevelt, nor is the party of Harry Truman. It is not the party of John F. Kennedy or Lyndon Johnson. It is not the party of George McGovern or Hubert Humphrey. It is not the party of Jimmy Carter. None of these leaders would support or endorse the Democratic Party of today.

It is not the party that sought to remake America through programs such as The New Deal, The Great Society or The War on Poverty'. It is not the party that said, " . . .ask not what your country can do for you . . ."

This is not the party of Barbara Jordan or Caesar Chavez, both of whom opposed uncontrolled immigration. The Democratic Party in 2024 is not the party of Viola Liuzzo or Medger Evers, both remembered as murdered martyrs in the cause of Civil Rights... It is no longer the party of John L. Lewis who led civil rights protesters over the bridge at Selma. Nor is it the party of Ralph Abernathy, Andrew Young and Jessie Jackson, all of whom knelt over the bleeding body of Martin Luther King as he lay dying of an assassin's bullet.

This is not the party that demanded that all of the protections and freedoms of the Bill of Rights be applied for all persons regardless of their point of view or the color of their skin . . . and then amended The Constitution to ensure that universal application of those rights occurred.

In this, the third decade of the 21st Century, the Democratic Party has moved away from its' liberal roots of the late 20th Century, to become the party of avowed socialists such as Bill de Blasio, Alexa Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders,. The Democratic party of 2024 has endorsed and given massive financial support to groups such as Back Lives Matter and Antifa; organizations whose announced intention and demonstrated goal is to dismantle our society through violence if necessary.

The Democratic party of today has turned its back on its 20th Century liberal ideals and has instead embraced the radical legacy of Saul Alinsky, Angela Davis, Stokley Carmichael, H. and Rap Brown along with Bobby Seal and Abby Hoffman. This is no longer the party of Head Start or The Peace Corps. It has, rather, turned to the examples of the Weather Underground.

In this current election cycle, the Democratic Party has enmeshed itself in a cabal with mega doners, mega business and big media to eviscerate the First Amendment and actively suppress opposing views through aggressive censorship. The Party today has undercut the democratic process itself by avoiding a priory vote and appointing the Harris-Walz ticket. In doing so, have abandoned a foundational concept of democracy.
This is back-room politics in the worse sense of the phrase.

And so, I say again: If a person is a life-long Democrat, a committed liberal, a passionate libertarian or a centrist-independent; a re-examination of what the Democratic party has demonstrated itself to stand for today is in order. They should then determine if that is what they, themselves, stand for today.

Well, thanks for that. Would you do the GOP next?

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by IAmReallyIronman

Well, thanks for that. Would you do the GOP next?

After decades of nominating from smong the oldest serving party faithful (Dole, McCain, Romney) or some guy whose family is "in the business" (Bush 41, Bush 43 and JEB!) that have graduated from all the right schools, the Republicans have morphed into a more conservative political entity that has nominated, elected and renominated a non-career politician; businessman who is a resultsd oriented administrator with a working knowledge of practical economics.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

After decades of nominating from smong the oldest serving party faithful (Dole, McCain, Romney) or some guy whose family is "in the business" (Bush 41, Bush 43 and JEB!) that have graduated from all the right schools, the Republicans have morphed into a more conservative political entity that has nominated, elected and renominated a non-career politician; businessman who is a resultsd oriented administrator with a working knowledge of practical economics.

... Hear, Hear! ... A Great comment there, mate.

#### Salty

[ICU 812]

BTW:

I invite and encourage anyone to re-post the OP, in whole or in part, verbatim or in paraphrase, to any other forum or platform that they think appropriate.