Clients that are a NCNS

[Laurenspencer]

Last week I had two clients back to back that were a NCNS . Both regulars . This is happening more and more lately , which is a complete waste of everyones time and highly disrespectful . If I even mention the word deposit men cringe , which I get . I only have this problem with NWA clients no where else . it's been getting worse and worse over the past few months . I could band them from the services but there has been so many that would be a lot of clients to let go . Also the canceling 5 mins before an appointment happened last week with excuse he got caught up in a meeting . Any advice to help with this would be greatly. appreciated . I do know the rules with repeated cancelations and the NCNS will be changing , I will be getting very strict with this to avoid this in the future and if I lose clients , let it be they can act right or go else where

[Bubba_3000]

Lot to unpack there from my perspective. 1.) too many of us have been screwed on deposits. I won’t pay one under any circumstances. Either a provider wants my money or they don’t. 2.) Ncns is a huge problem, but statistically it is more so on the provider side of things. So many of us, myself included, have been ghosted an hour or so before the appointment and/or given a constant stream of “I’m on my way”. I recently tried to schedule a tantric massage with a private provider. Agreed to her $400 cost. She jerked me around for 3 hours before I told her to F off. 3.) the prudent thing to do is to, as a provider, simply charge a $50 fee that will be assessed on their next visit. 4.) while yes, you absolutely have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, you won’t like the results unless you only service the top 1% of the state. The market, as it stands, is ~4 providers to 1 client in the hobby. You charge $X with hurdles, but there is literally 20 or more other providers willing to charge less than you because they need to eat/meet overhead expenses. 5.) you are better off seeing this they way a medical provider, for instance, addresses the issue- as simply a cost of doing business and the chance you take when giving someone time on your schedule.

[Vannah]

I hate to hear that you are dealing with that kind of behavior from clients, Lauren. There is no excuse for NCNS after a client schedules a booking when the simple courtesy of a text goes a long way. I say that you should do whatever you feel necessary to remedy the situation, whether it be charging a deposit, cutting off contact with them or charging a rescheduling fee, etc.

Speaking from personal experience, on the rare occasion that I choose to hobby, I generally only schedule with one gentleman that day. If the booking is confirmed the day before/day of, I pay for the hotel and get a NCNS, that client is no longer welcome to contact me. There are simply too many men that desire our time to allow that standard of behavior, just as there are too many providers for clients to allow NCNS from the ladies.

[InTheCountry]

I've never done it but, I've had it done to me a few times. It seems to be more of a problem now days. Then it ever was just a few short years ago.

[Dpthrtlvr]

Obviously, I can't speak to providers experiences but it's a common theme among the hobbyists here that girls flake at the last minute while saying they are on the way, fiddle when a client is trying to set up an appointment in earnest, don't respond until hours to day afterwards and then when you respond back immediately to their text you get crickets. I suspect that this has to do with the general environment of interaction these days. It wasn't so long ago that I was on Tinder or OKCupid and things were much the same. As several hobbyist's here point out on occasion, providers know that there are lots of other hard dicks out there and I suspect the reverse is true that hobbyist's know there is always another willing provider. And so this behavior goes on both ways. Certainly, I think that setting clear expectations, boundaries and ways of doing business helps. One thing that I think might make a difference from the hobbyist's side is if providers would give some notice if they are about to see another client or take care of some personal business instead of just going quiet in the middle of a conversation. Especially if it's going to be more than an hour.

[CatMan4u]

Lauren I am truly sorry this happened to you and your girls
in my opinion it's totally undeserved we all have cell phones it only takes a few seconds to say something I've personally never have ncns any one. This happens by both sides and it effects all of us
and no I have my flaws mainly I am a workaholic I work seven days a week but do take a couple hours to see a select few ladies

[tuckahoe]

Originally Posted by Vannah

I hate to hear that you are dealing with that kind of behavior from clients, Lauren. There is no excuse for NCNS after a client schedules a booking when the simple courtesy of a text goes a long way. I say that you should do whatever you feel necessary to remedy the situation, whether it be charging a deposit, cutting off contact with them or charging a rescheduling fee, etc.

Speaking from personal experience, on the rare occasion that I choose to hobby, I generally only schedule with one gentleman that day. If the booking is confirmed the day before/day of, I pay for the hotel and get a NCNS, that client is no longer welcome to contact me. There are simply too many men that desire our time to allow that standard of behavior, just as there are too many providers for clients to allow NCNS from the ladies.

I can't imagine going through all the effort to schedule a date, and then just not show up for it.
Who would get lucky enough to schedule with Vannah and not show up!? Mind boggling!

[Laurenspencer]

Originally Posted by tuckahoe

I can't imagine going through all the effort to schedule a date, and then just not show up for it.
Who would get lucky enough to schedule with Vannah and not show up!? Mind boggling!

Im with you Tuck if someone who took the time and the energy how could they not show up for Vannah , that's horrible . She's a total angel

[Laurenspencer]

I have thought about it all day and last night , It happened again today and with a P411 member that was scheduled for Layla . I am trying to wrap my head around why this keeps continuing to happen . When I first got in this business , men called from the phonebook under E (escorts ) in the yellow pages , there was not google phone numbers and Internet sites . I never had the drama of this back then .. What has went so wrong with this industry for Clients and providers to be so disrespectful by not showing up not calling and saying sorry I can't make it . What I do know is I am going to have to get a lot stricter on this . If it means the client never using the service again , then that's what it has to be . If they go get an another text me / google number and try to pose as a new client , I am going to make the screening process very tough and more thank likely they will move down the road .

I would almost think its a game to clients to book and not show up . You would not believe how many guys lately have changed their number numerous times because I have blocked them . The stress that has came from clients lately is over the top .. I told a client last week a lady wished to not see him again , and he said he understood . That following Monday the idiot shows up at her door not knowing if she lived with family or not and knocked on her door . Like who does this ??? Then he changed his number many times trying to trick me .. I know this has nothing to do with NCNS but Im just at my Witts ends with how disrespectful this business has become .

All of this in not fair to the ladies who get ready get a place take the time for it to be a nice experience and to not show up .
The reason I posted about this I know many clients that read ECCIE and not post , what you are doing is highly rude and you are making this industry just trashy and highly disrespectful . I will also be keeping a list of all these numbers these clients are using and any provider that wants my list of NCNS you are welcome to it , just message me privately

[LaylaR]

I am shocked by all this horrible behavior. I can't tolerate it!

[CatMan4u]

Yes this hobby has changed and not for the good

[MsogMan88]

If for some reason I couldn't make it, I would find a way to compensate you for your time booked. I've had it happen to me multiple times and I know the frustration and time it takes to orchestrate a rendezvous.

[Bubba_3000]

I mean, I totally understand the grievance, but the fact is that any business that takes appointments, from car wash places to restaurants to medical appointments all run the same risk and understand it is an unavoidable problem. Now in this hobby, if a room was already paid for, I see no issue in tacking the room fee onto the next visit or charging a small fee to reschedule. But I can only look at this from my pov. I refuse to provide any qualified info on myself under any circumstances. I am happy to facetime the provider to verify and I am happy to send a pic of my face, but if a provider starts demanding my DL, my real name, my work number and the hr extension to verify my id or demands a deposit I immediately shut it down. I am literally trying to give the provider money and, not just that, but most charge the hourly rate of an attorney (mine charges like 350 an hour).

Maybe you guys have different views or sentiments on the subject, but if scheduling is complicated that is a hard no go for me.

[Dpthrtlvr]

Yeah, I'll second bubba. Providers are getting paid handsomely and frankly underperform for the most part. It makes it hard for me to be sympathetic. I can't speak to Vannah and her service but I'm inclined to think that many providers should just chalk it up and be thankful that there are enough new clients to keep them in steady business. If they provided better service for their price they would probably have fewer problems.

[Bubba_3000]

Originally Posted by Dpthrtlvr

Yeah, I'll second bubba. Providers are getting paid handsomely and frankly underperform for the most part. It makes it hard for me to be sympathetic. I can't speak to Vannah and her service but I'm inclined to think that many providers should just chalk it up and be thankful that there are enough new clients to keep them in steady business. If they provided better service for their price they would probably have fewer problems.

From my pov, two things should be an absolute given: 1.) the client should never treat the provider as a disposable hole to use and 2.) the provider should never treat the client as just another dick to deal with trying to make ends meet. I am having one over to my place this evening, for instance. I could immediately walk her to the bedroom, but instead I am cooking her a dinner and picked up a wine she likes. If activities afterward are not enthusiastic it’s really a bad standard to set/allow. To Ms. Spencer’s point, she absolutely should institute a policy for NCNS, just as we as clients refuse to try a second time with a provider who has NCNS us. But I cannot agree with tougher verification requirements. Respectfully, either take my money or be honest and tell me to give that money to a provider that hasn’t made scheduling difficult.