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Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
This is all about the desert tortoise. The same tortoise that the BLM had planned to destroy for lack of funds. Who took care of the tortoise before the BLM came along? Maybe they should be instinct.
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Or extinct.
Take your pick.
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Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
If the BLM was really worried about the tortoise then why can ranchers (Bundy is the only one left) still graze their cattle...if they pay a fee. This is not about a tortoise, this is about taking money from citizens and a corrupt government agency.
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Yeah? Even if true, so what?
This may SHOCK you, but the federal government - on behalf of ALL Americans - charges money for LOTS of different activities on federal lands.
Drill for oil/gas in Alaska? Pay a fee. Drill off-shore? Pay a fee. Operate a ski resort in national forest? Pay a fee. Operate a hotel in a national park? Pay a fee. Hunt on federal lands? Pay a fee.
Graze on federal lands? PAY A FEE! Why does this asshole expect better treatment than any one else?
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Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
It has always been said that all laws have to be supported at the point of a gun. Force business owners to put in a handicap ramp and you had better be prepared to use a gun. You laugh but suppose an owner can't, or won't, build that ramp? So you take him to court and fine him. Suppose he does not wish to pay. So you get another judge to tell him he has to go to jail. You show up with the police to take him to jail and he informs you that he has no intention of going anywhere. So out comes the gun and you'd better comply. This is the point we've reached in Nevada. Is the US government ready to kill someone to take their money and protect the tortoise. Seems like they are.
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If people disobey laws that are proper and constitutional, they deserve to go to jail. You don't get to pick and choose what laws you will obey.
If a business owner refuses to build a handicapped ramp, he deserves to go to jail. Why does he get to tell disabled people "fuck off, I'm not paying"?
If he can't afford to build the ramp, but other businesses can, then obviously he can't run a business very well and SHOULD go out of business.
What exactly is your point about the use of force by law authorities? It is true for all laws - including the ones you like and the ones you don't like.
A monopoly on violence is a standard feature of all governments. It only becomes a bad thing if if is used for unjust ends. What exactly is unjust about preventing this freeloader from grazing on federal lands without paying fees like everyone else?
If Occupy Wall Street - or some other left-wing goons - blocked access to your business and refused police orders to disband and allow you to operate your business, would you think it unfair it the police drew their weapons while forcibly removing the OWS assholes?